I can't believe I'm gonna write this... but...

[Juke99]

A Bill Parcells game plan was what we needed to employ yesterday.

I think the Pats are simply the better team but we needed to slow that game down and NOT get into a shoot out with them.

The running game was working. I think it should have been relied on to keep the ball out of Brady's hands.

In the end, the penalties killed any chance of winning...and I think the Pats would have won regardless of the game plan...but...I think the running game could have changed the tempo and would have kept things much closer...it would also have kept our defense off the field.

Clearly the universe is officially coming to an end when I post something positive about Parcells.

 

[JPM]

I agree, the only way I see the Pats losing this year is if you hold onto the ball, long clock eating TD drives (FG aren't enough). You can't out score them.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yeah that is pretty shocking...for you.

Seriously, penalties aside, look at what the Pats did in the first half. They had 2(?) clock-eating drives to keep the 'boys offense off the field. It was noted towards the end of the 2nd quarter that Romo & Co. hadn't seen the field for a long time. That's Parcellesque right there.

The method to beat Indy is always about keeping Peyton off the field. The Pats employed that against Romo.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think being conservative aginst a team like the Pats is a great ideal. They have a very good defense and Dallas did do somethings good in this game offensively and yes even defensively but we also made too many mistakes. Cut down on the mistakes and clean up the tackling and I like our chances with the Pats.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Not to mention our D scored 7 pts for us......

 

[hockix]

I don't want us to play to not lose as we did with Parcells.....
ever.....

 

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

I don't want us to play to not lose as we did with Parcells.....
ever.....

I don't believe Juke was referring to that aspect of Parcells game plan, just that a power running game would have eaten up the clock, kept our D refreshed while theirs was tiring, and kept Brady & co. on the bench.

We had it all going for us at the end of the half/beginning of the 2nd half. The running game was working. Why we didn't keep pounding on them is beyond me.

 

[hockix]

I don't believe Juke was referring to that aspect of Parcells game plan, just that a power running game would have eaten up the clock, kept our D refreshed while theirs was tiring, and kept Brady & co. on the bench.

We had it all going for us at the end of the half/beginning of the 2nd half. The running game was working. Why we didn't keep pounding on them is beyond me.

Hmmm we moved the ball when we started to give the ball to Fasano and Witten...

 

[chinch]

even more disturbing is the lack of adjustment and not going to a "bill parcells" game plan when we had the lead and more importantly the momentum.

we couldn't cover ANYONE and we were still trying for a shootout?

i don't get it.

A Bill Parcells game plan was what we needed to employ yesterday.

I think the Pats are simply the better team but we needed to slow that game down and NOT get into a shoot out with them.

The running game was working. I think it should have been relied on to keep the ball out of Brady's hands.

In the end, the penalties killed any chance of winning...and I think the Pats would have won regardless of the game plan...but...I think the running game could have changed the tempo and would have kept things much closer...it would also have kept our defense off the field.

Clearly the universe is officially coming to an end when I post something positive about Parcells.

 

[adbutcher]

A Bill Parcells game plan was what we needed to employ yesterday.

I think the Pats are simply the better team but we needed to slow that game down and NOT get into a shoot out with them.

The running game was working. I think it should have been relied on to keep the ball out of Brady's hands.

In the end, the penalties killed any chance of winning...and I think the Pats would have won regardless of the game plan...but...I think the running game could have changed the tempo and would have kept things much closer...it would also have kept our defense off the field.

Clearly the universe is officially coming to an end when I post something positive about Parcells.

Conservative game plan minus the penalties we beat this team.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

In my mind it is not a situation where you have to be as conservative as Bill was with the ball yet at the same time we need to use the run more than we do.

There are times in games where it seems we completely abandon the run.

Sure there are times when the running game may be struggling but you can not just start going pass happy when that happens.

Even if the passing game is working great and the running game is struggling you still need to mix the run game in and not completely abandon it.

I have not looked at the run/pass ratio this year so maybe it is just my perception thus far but it would appear we are passing the ball a good deal more than running it. This also taking into consideration that we have ran the ball more in the 4th quarters to end games and run the clock down.

So...we don't need to be as conservative and run happy as when big bill was here but we also need to use the run a little more in the game more.

I was thinking at one time bill kind of alluded so having to keep a check on that because if he did not the OC, at the time who is helping Garrett now, would call pass too much. Could be wrong about that but I was thinking bill said something about that last year.

We just need to find a healthy balance in that area.

 

[superpunk]

We could have had a Jesus Christ gameplan, and if the secondary played like garbage and the pass rush was inconsistent it wouldn't have mattered either way.

I'm not sure what it's gonna take for people to stop brushing poor execution under the cozy blanket of "scheme". I like to joke about it, but at the end of the day Garrett and Wade weren't blowing coverages and committing stupid penalties and missing tackles to completely bungle the game in the 4th quarter.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

We could have had a Jesus Christ gameplan, and if the secondary played like garbage and the pass rush was inconsistent it wouldn't have mattered either way.

I'm not sure what it's gonna take for people to stop brushing poor execution under the cozy blanket of "scheme". I like to joke about it, but at the end of the day Garrett and Wade weren't blowing coverages and committing stupid penalties and missing tackles to completely bungle the game in the 4th quarter.

I don't think we are talking about the penalties and problems in the secondary. I think a good portion of us have already talked, and agreed, about that.

However there are times when you have to establish a running game to try and milk the clock some in games like these. Especially against a team that has that kind of offense.

No question that there are many things that need to be fixed, this is just another area that needs to be worked on.

If we already agree that the secondary is a problem, than maybe we should establish a running game to milk the clock and keep high scoring offenses off the field a little more. Just something to consider.

 

[superpunk]

If we already agree that the secondary is a problem, than maybe we should establish a running game to milk the clock and keep high scoring offenses off the field a little more. Just something to consider.

I completely agree with that. Even when the defense was fresh, though - we couldn't get the Pats off the field on third down. That quickly snowballed to 14-zippy, and inevitably the run game is not gonna be leaned on as much.

We did what we had to do to compete for three quarters, and then per this team's track record, we folded up in the 4th with penalties and bad secondary play.

 

[hockix]

I don't think we are talking about the penalties and problems in the secondary. I think a good portion of us have already talked, and agreed, about that.

However there are times when you have to establish a running game to try and milk the clock some in games like these. Especially against a team that has that kind of offense.

No question that there are many things that need to be fixed, this is just another area that needs to be worked on.

If we already agree that the secondary is a problem, than maybe we should establish a running game to milk the clock and keep high scoring offenses off the field a little more. Just something to consider.

Here's the problem, we don't seem to be able to establsh the run.
I still try to see if it is the Oline or JJ or BIII but we stroke when we need it.
But flags killed some good run also....

I hope Glenn gets back healthy it would open up some runnng lanes.....

 

[Juke99]

We could have had a Jesus Christ gameplan, and if the secondary played like garbage and the pass rush was inconsistent it wouldn't have mattered either way.

I'm not sure what it's gonna take for people to stop brushing poor execution under the cozy blanket of "scheme". I like to joke about it, but at the end of the day Garrett and Wade weren't blowing coverages and committing stupid penalties and missing tackles to completely bungle the game in the 4th quarter.

It'll probably take the same thing as it takes for people to actually read posts before responding to them.


In the end, the penalties killed any chance of winning...and I think the Pats would have won regardless of the game plan...but...I think the running game could have changed the tempo and would have kept things much closer

 

[superpunk]

It'll probably take the same thing as it takes for people to actually read posts before responding to them.


In the end, the penalties killed any chance of winning...and I think the Pats would have won regardless of the game plan...but...I think the running game could have changed the tempo and would have kept things much closer

I saw your qualifier, Cap'n. I just didn't see the point in wishing that we wouldn't have lost AS bad, and addressed the notion in general terms.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I saw your qualifier, Cap'n. I just didn't see the point in wishing that we wouldn't have lost AS bad, and addressed the notion in general terms.

On a side topic. You need a new avatar. That one just does not do it for me. And I know how much you value my opinion on these matters.:laugh2:

 

[superpunk]

On a side topic. You need a new avatar. That one just does not do it for me. And I know how much you value my opinion on these matters.:laugh2:

Don't hate on Barry. Hockey is BACK! C-A-P-S CAPS! CAPS! CAPS!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Don't hate on Barry. Hockey is BACK! C-A-P-S CAPS! CAPS! CAPS!

You are a Hockey fan. Well...you just lost some points from me.:laugh2: