I know how to solve the TO problem once and for all

[Hostile]

You can't be serious. So let me get this straight mr admin. The reason why we're 2-2 is all the fault of Terrell Owens. Is that your contention? I just want to be clear before we move on.

No I didn't say that Mr. Ham and Egger. I haven't said it all season. I'm not saying it now. Check your reading comprehension skills at the door.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Good thing Michael Irvin got out when he did (unfortunately it was the way he did) because he would of never survived today's standard you all are saying TO needs to live up to.

I used to say the same things about TO and anyone elser, but this helped me see it from from another point of view. Irvin spoke his mind, TO speak your mind. Period!

TO has not done anything anyone else has not done. You guys who are eating up everything the media is feeding you are trying to hold TO up to a standard that other players do niot have to live up to.

This is getting ridiculous. Right now, I got to hand it to TO for holding his cool because if I was him, I would tell all those high strung knotted panty spoiled brat media guys and biased fans where to go. Frankly I do not understand how he can put up with everyone else dictating his life and even making things up for him without his input (suppos-ed suicide). Keep your cool TO, the media lives off drama and as long as there are fools who will believe their crap, there will be those media guys.

 

[Hostile]

Where do you get this stuff from? Where did he ever say that? This isnt Cowboy diplomacy, there is more to it than either for him or against him.

Tada.

You see, it is possible to read what I write and make sense of it. That was a clinic.

 

[Rack]

God I hate when people go to the stat card. Stats are nothing more than simply numbers. Please don't compare Bleedslow to Ronny Mexico. When Bleedslow scampers for a 50 yd TD then a comparison between the two might not seem so silly.

You hate it when people use facts to support their stance? You hate it when those facts prove you wrong?

Yeah that must suck.

He wasn't using stats to compare the 2 QBs. Read it again. Carefully.

Quoted for truth.

oh cliche`

You disagree? If so, explain. Is what I posted incorrect? If you're able, why don't you explain why you feel that way instead of crapping in the thread with a nonsensical "Oh cliche".

ahh well I tried.

You tried what? To put the entire blame on the QB and absolve TO from any fault whatsoever?

Yeah, I'd say you tried.

And failed.

You can't be serious. So let me get this straight mr admin. The reason why we're 2-2 is all the fault of Terrell Owens. Is that your contention? I just want to be clear before we move on.

Still fishing? I didn't see Hos - aka mr admin - post anything resembling him saying it's all TO's fault.


But nice attempt at spin doctoring.

 

[Cochese]

Good thing Michael Irvin got out when he did (unfortunately it was the way he did) because he would of never survived today's standard you all are saying TO needs to live up to.

I used to say the same things about TO and anyone elser, but this helped me see it from from another point of view. Irvin spoke his mind, TO speak your mind. Period!

TO has not done anything anyone else has not done. You guys who are eating up everything the media is feeding you are trying to hold TO up to a standard that other players do niot have to live up to.

This is getting ridiculous. Right now, I got to hand it to TO for holding his cool because if I was him, I would tell all those high strung knotted panty spoiled brat media guys and biased fans where to go. Frankly I do not understand how he can put up with everyone else dictating his life and even making things up for him without his input (suppos-ed suicide). Keep your cool TO, the media lives off drama and as long as there are fools who will believe their crap, there will be those media guys.

Guess what...MICHEAL IRVIN PRODUCED.

 

[Bleu Star]

(about Hostile) Where do you get this stuff from? Where did he ever say that?

Hmm... Perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me or perhaps you aren't really reading this thread and blindly posting.

You forgot that he should just shut up, show up to practice on time, not argue with coaches, not act like he's the only thing that will allow a football team to win games, realize his role is to catch the ball not dictate the offense, and realize that maybe, just maybe if he'd have been healthy in TC and this season that his stats might not be suffering.

 

[Hostile]

Hmm... Perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me or perhaps you aren't really reading this thread and blindly posting.

Show me where I was wrong.

Good luck.

 

[Bleu Star]

No I didn't say that Mr. Ham and Egger. I haven't said it all season. I'm not saying it now. Check your reading comprehension skills at the door.

You know it's nice to know this forum is being so closely guarded by such an upstanding admin that would never resort to name calling. Jesus. if I had known that I might have dropped some names already but I choose to try and respect the opposing opinion. I would have thought to be an admin you would be taking larger doses of that same medicine. My mistake.

 

[Cochese]

Where in Hostiles post does it say he blamed TO and only TO?

It doesnt?

I diddnt think so.

 

[Hostile]

You know it's nice to know this forum is being so closely guarded by such an upstanding admin that would never resort to name calling. Jesus. if I had known that I might have dropped some names already but I choose to try and respect the opposing opinion. I would have thought to be an admin you would be taking larger doses of that same medicine. My mistake.

You started the name calling. Now you don't like it?

I wasn't using my title to push you around so shut up. That's good advice.

 

[Bleu Star]

Show me where I was wrong.

Good luck.

Foir someone that pointed to my "reading comprehension" you sure do have a difficult time figuring out who a post is direct at.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Guess what...MICHEAL IRVIN PRODUCED.

well, do you think TO didn't produce in seasons past?
What is different this year, except that TO has been forced to stay down?
Do I dare ask if the first thought might be the guy who is delivering the ball?

 

[Yeagermeister]

You forgot that he should just shut up, show up to practice on time, not argue with coaches, not act like he's the only thing that will allow a football team to win games, realize his role is to catch the ball not dictate the offense, and realize that maybe, just maybe if he'd have been healthy in TC and this season that his stats might not be suffering.

In other words, drop the prima donna tired act.

 

[Rack]

Good thing Michael Irvin got out when he did (unfortunately it was the way he did) because he would of never survived today's standard you all are saying TO needs to live up to.

I used to say the same things about TO and anyone elser, but this helped me see it from from another point of view. Irvin spoke his mind, TO speak your mind. Period!

TO has not done anything anyone else has not done. You guys who are eating up everything the media is feeding you are trying to hold TO up to a standard that other players do niot have to live up to.

This is getting ridiculous. Right now, I got to hand it to TO for holding his cool because if I was him, I would tell all those high strung knotted panty spoiled brat media guys and biased fans where to go. Frankly I do not understand how he can put up with everyone else dictating his life and even making things up for him without his input (suppos-ed suicide). Keep your cool TO, the media lives off drama and as long as there are fools who will believe their crap, there will be those media guys.

Let's see...

- Could Irvin show up to practice on time? Yes.

- Could Irvin go without venting his frustrations towards teammates and coaches to the media? Yes.

- Could Irvin not throw his teammates under the bus - to the media - whenever he doesn't get a raise? Yes.


I don't think Irvin would have any problems living up to those "Standards".


Again, I don't have a problem with TO having a few bad games. It happens.

I don't have a problem with him being frustrated and occasionally yelling on the sidelines. It happens.

I DO have a problem with him talking negatively about his teammates and coaches TO THE MEDIA. There's nothing wrong with FEELING the way he does, but you do NOT talk to the media about it.

I find it funny that Haley and TO had an argument in a meeting room, it gets out to the media, and TO automatically blames Haley for the leak. Were they the ONLY two people in the room when it happened? It couldn't of been another coach or PLAYER that leaked the info?

And this whole "I don't trust him" cuz of something so minute is childish. So an argument got leaked to the media. GET OVER IT. Just say, yeah we had a heated discussion but we're cool now. That's it. No need to go on and on about "our relationship is only about football now" and "I don't trust him", and other crap like that.

Could Irvin go without pulling crap like that? Yeah I think so.

 

[Hostile]

Foir someone that pointed to my "reading comprehension" you sure do have a difficult time figuring out who a post is direct at.

No, I didn't have any trouble at all. You quoted me too.

If this is too difficult for you, raise your hand.

 

[Cochese]

well, do you think TO didn't produce in seasons past?
What is different this year, except that TO has been forced to stay down?
Do I dare ask if the first thought might be the guy who is delivering the ball?

TO hasnt done jack in the NFL in the last year. It doesnt matter what he did in his 20's.

Yes, it is ALL Bledsoes fault for TO's butter fingers. Way to ***** the blame.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Let's see...

- Could Irvin show up to practice on time? Yes.

- Could Irvin go without venting his frustrations towards teammates and coaches to the media? Yes.

- Could Irvin not throw his teammates under the bus - to the media - whenever he doesn't get a raise? Yes.


I don't think Irvin would have any problems living up to those "Standards".


Again, I don't have a problem with TO having a few bad games. It happens.

I don't have a problem with him being frustrated and occasionally yelling on the sidelines. It happens.

I DO have a problem with him talking negatively about his teammates and coaches TO THE MEDIA. There's nothing wrong with FEELING the way he does, but you do NOT talk to the media about it.

I find it funny that Haley and TO had an argument in a meeting room, it gets out to the media, and TO automatically blames Haley for the leak. Were they the ONLY two people in the room when it happened? It couldn't of been another coach or PLAYER that leaked the info?

And this whole "I don't trust him" cuz of something so minute is childish. So an argument got leaked to the media. GET OVER IT. Just say, yeah we had a heated discussion but we're cool now. That's it. No need to go on and on about "our relationship is only about football now" and "I don't trust him", and other crap like that.

Could Irvin go without pulling crap like that? Yeah I think so.

yeah, cuz he is too busy giving his fellow teammates haircuts.

 

[BrassCowboy]

TO hasnt done jack in the NFL in the last year. It doesnt matter what he did in his 20's.

Yes, it is ALL Bledsoes fault for TO's butter fingers. Way to ***** the blame.

gee maybe because he was suspended... I don't know, is that why?

as far as saying it is all Bledsoe fault... I never said it was all bledsoe. Of course TO is going to drop some, hell even TG drops some.

My point is how bad Bledsoe is at progressing his reads as the play goes on. If you watch him, watch his reads as he is looking for an open receiver. His eyes are on TG first, we all know that... but it takes forever for him to access the field.
During the Eagles game, it really did not matter if he had time or not, he was throwing as if he had no time at all. skipping the ball off the ground, tossing it to the defense - getting lucky a few times that it wasn't intercepted. How about the play at the ened of the game where he had like 20 seconds, was 10 yards back, and still take the sack. How do you do that? He acted scared.

Before you start making excuses for the guy, if he cannot handle it the right way, then we need someone else. Of course he is allowed some mistakes, but his negatives are well known and after 14 years will not get better.

 

[jackrussell]

TO also thrives on catching the ball for 6 to help his team win when he's WIDE OPEN.

I bet TD catches would make him very happy also, especially when he's WIDE OPEN in crunch time.. Hell, it would make us happy to. I sure do wish Bledsoe could get him the ball....

Oh my goodness, so we better not throw to him anymore especially when he's WIDE OPEN..

You are so right but Bledsoe missing WIDE OPEN recievers and taking sacks have..

No but it's his fault that he can't side step the rush, holds the ball too long, fumbles too much, throws pics, and misses open recievers..

It's amazing!!! All the negative off field talk about TO. How bout the fact that we can't get him the ball as he runs WIDE OPEN for 6. That's more important to me as a fan then that other crap they're talking about. Get him the ball and we would be 4-0 right now.. He damn sure has been open for scores in both those losses...

The dropped balls are his fault and need to be corrected for sure. But his drops, which are few hasn't cost us any games. Bledsoe missing hin wide open for 6 has cost us 2 games. Bledsoe has to make those throws in both losses.. If he does, we win both games. Simple as that!!

Don't fool yourself slim, we've lost 2 games cause our QB can't hit open recievers. Thats a fact!! With all the sacks, drops, miscoverages, and anything else you can think of we were still in both games and could have won if Bledsoe is more accurate with the ball. Both losses he missed recievers for TD's...PERIOD!!!!

The thing is, with all the negative things they say about TO, we still could've won both games if Bledsoe hits TO open for 6. It's just that simple!!!

I'm detecting a trend here.:holmes:

Oops, missed one...

Me too!!! I just want Bledsoe to give our recievers a chance to catch the ball especially when they're wide open....

 

[Rack]

gee maybe because he was suspended... I don't know, is that why?

as far as saying it is all Bledsoe fault... I never said it was all bledsoe. Of course TO is going to drop some, hell even TG drops some.

My point is how bad Bledsoe is at progressing his reads as the play goes on. If you watch him, watch his reads as he is looking for an open receiver. His eyes are on TG first, we all know that... but it takes forever for him to access the field.
During the Eagles game, it really did not matter if he had time or not, he was throwing as if he had no time at all. skipping the ball off the ground, tossing it to the defense - getting lucky a few times that it wasn't intercepted. How about the play at the ened of the game where he had like 20 seconds, was 10 yards back, and still take the sack. How do you do that? He acted scared.

Before you start making excuses for the guy, if he cannot handle it the right way, then we need someone else. Of course he is allowed some mistakes, but his negatives are well known and after 14 years will not get better.

Could it be that, oh I dunno, the people he's looking to throw the ball to aren't open?


Ever think of that one?


Not that I totally disagree with you, but you sure as hell aren't 100% spot on.