I still believe in Dak

Soth

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The past three games won't erase the previous 20+ games. Dak is now 18-9 as a starter.

I am not sure why everyone is turning on him so quickly. This season has been frustrating beyond belief, but Dak is still a second year player that is learning to play the most difficult position in the NFL. He has to deal with a bad coaching staff and he is missing his best weapon for the first time in his career.

This is the time when the coaching staff needs to help him succeed. They are clearly not doing that. JG has been here for a long time and the results continue to be the same. We need to get rid of JG not Dak.
 

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The coaching staff scapegoat is getting lame. While I don't think JG and company are a great staff. They don't make it so Dak can't make even basic throws, takes multiple 10+ yard sacks per game because of poor pocket awareness, or refusing to throw the ball away. Dak has regressed big time this season and is a major reason for the Cowboys struggles.
 

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I like Dak, but what has transpired since last year's playoff game, leaves no question in my mind that Romo should've been the starter in that playoff game, and perhaps he would be the starter still... I know of Romo's troubles staying healthy, but when healthy, is there any doubt that Romo was a superior QB? Oh well, another season down the crapper...
 

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I like Dak, but what has transpired since last year's playoff game, leaves no question in my mind that Romo should've been the starter in that playoff game, and perhaps he would be the starter still... I know of Romo's troubles staying healthy, but when healthy, is there any doubt that Romo was a superior QB? Oh well, another season down the crapper...

I don't think Romo would have lasted the full game. But yes, a healthy Romo is certainly better than Dak

We were close to winning, except that Rodgers made a great play and our defense failed us again.
 

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I like Dak, but what has transpired since last year's playoff game, leaves no question in my mind that Romo should've been the starter in that playoff game, and perhaps he would be the starter still... I know of Romo's troubles staying healthy, but when healthy, is there any doubt that Romo was a superior QB? Oh well, another season down the crapper...

There is no doubt and the fact that there has been in some people's minds is ridiculous.
 

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The past three games won't erase the previous 20+ games. Dak is now 18-9 as a starter.

I am not sure why everyone is turning on him so quickly. This season has been frustrating beyond belief, but Dak is still a second year player that is learning to play the most difficult position in the NFL. He has to deal with a bad coaching staff and he is missing his best weapon for the first time in his career.

This is the time when the coaching staff needs to help him succeed. They are clearly not doing that. JG has been here for a long time and the results continue to be the same. We need to get rid of JG not Dak.
There are going to be ebbs and flows with young QB's. We already saw a this last with a very poor stretch of a few games from Dak. These guys aren't finished products and still have alot to work on. Thats why mental character is so important when drafting QB, because those down swings can destroy weak minded players
 

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The problem with Dak is that the mistakes being made are not the usual growing pains getting used to the speed of the NFL type mistakes that elite QBs make in their early years.

He has a fundamental accuracy in the pocket issue, which is difficult to fix. There is a big difference between the young QB who places the ball exactly where he aimed to throw, but chose the wrong spot as mistimed the speed of the players or misread the route - these things can be learned - and what we are seeing from Dak which is making the right read and getting the timing correct, but not being able to put the ball where intended.
 

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The problem with Dak is that the mistakes being made are not the usual growing pains getting used to the speed of the NFL type mistakes that elite QBs make in their early years.

He has a fundamental accuracy in the pocket issue, which is difficult to fix. There is a big difference between the young QB who places the ball exactly where he aimed to throw, but chose the wrong spot as mistimed the speed of the players or misread the route - these things can be learned - and what we are seeing from Dak which is making the right read and getting the timing correct, but not being able to put the ball where intended.
I don't know if I agree with this....consistently. There are times he's not accurate, but every QB is inaccurate at times. He'll be fine.
 

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I think there is a lot TBD in the rest of the season. This team has a lot more flaws then Dak right now. Romo at his best would have had a hard time beating San Diego with our offensive weapons, our line play and that fact that our defense is allowed chunk plays left and right for the past 3 weeks. We have a severe talent deficiency right now in several areas. Our secondary is worse then it was last year and its not even close. They will get better I'm thinking as they are young. However even young players need good coaching and I'm not sure they are getting it. I think our vaunted pass rush of 4 weeks ago has left the building as we can't get a sniff of a sack right now. I think the other problem Dak is really having is folks have figured out how to take away the two or three routes Bez runs. His drop off in receptions this year is like falling off a cliff. Witten is good for a 4 yard pass and that's about it these days. Dez is no longer elite and yes there our line problems. Romo is kept upright could still make good decent chicken soup with chicken dung, but Dak isn't there yet and may never be. Very view QB's possess the ability to decipher immediately what the defense is doing and adjust. Rivers is one, Rodgers another and of course Brady, Brees and a few others. Dak isn't there yet and him getting there will determine if he is our QB of the future or another RG3 in a different uniform.
 

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Dak has regressed, but he has shown signs of being a true franchise QB and still is less than a year removed from the greatest rookie qb season ever.

The fault is the coaching. Coaching makes a huge difference, Jerry has to decide does he want to keep Jason Garrett and not hurt his feelings,and sacrifice the development of your potential franchise qb?

Or, as the Rams have shown, do you hire someone who knows how the get the best out of the players a la Sean McVay and what he has done for Goff? The scheme we have is terrible. No creativity whatsoever.

No reason Dak cannot thrive in a Cam Newton type of scheme- for whatever reason our struggling quarterback who is still good with his feet has one designed run called for him a game, which is dumb especially when that play always gets 15 yards.

Our WRs run like three routes. We have no speed. No misdirection.

Our most creativity play is the rollout which teams know is coming almost everytime we do it now because we run it so much.
 

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My God people enough with the Romo crap a guy would be flat on his back and buried by now so let's just move on from Romo itis guy never won anything major in his entire career he choked more games away then Dak ever will.
Saysv something when 31 other teams didn't touch the guy is desperate as the league is.

That being said Garrett and Linehan will get Dak permanently injured just like they did Romo I'm sure lenihan is telling him to sit back there and hold the ball until receivers get open it's a crap scheme, he's a Young quarterback I'm sure they're telling him don't take off and run sit there and wait for things to open well with our receivers that's a long wait. Not to mention our offense of line which seems to be incapable of blocking anybody.
Honestly I'm not sure if Dak going to be the guy or not but you got to give me at least 3 Seasons and an offense where all the Defenders aren't calling your plays before you even snap the ball
After all how many seasons did you give tony
I know there were a lot of Seasons people used to say when's he going to stop just chucking it up and try to make a play when it's not there.
Short memories people
 

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This is bigger than Dak, or any individual player on the roster.

No single player is entirely responsible for a team getting completely, 100% blown out three weeks in a row.

It's not just any losing streak. Literally the worst losing streak I've ever seen.
 

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Dak has regressed, but he has shown signs of being a true franchise QB and still is less than a year removed from the greatest rookie qb season ever.

The fault is the coaching. Coaching makes a huge difference, Jerry has to decide does he want to keep Jason Garrett and not hurt his feelings,and sacrifice the development of your potential franchise qb?

Or, as the Rams have shown, do you hire someone who knows how the get the best out of the players a la Sean McVay and what he has done for Goff? The scheme we have is terrible. No creativity whatsoever.

No reason Dak cannot thrive in a Cam Newton type of scheme- for whatever reason our struggling quarterback who is still good with his feet has one designed run called for him a game, which is dumb especially when that play always gets 15 yards.

Our WRs run like three routes. We have no speed. No misdirection.

Our most creativity play is the rollout which teams know is coming almost everytime we do it now because we run it so much.
Great post. Completely agree
 

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The past three games won't erase the previous 20+ games. Dak is now 18-9 as a starter.

I am not sure why everyone is turning on him so quickly. This season has been frustrating beyond belief, but Dak is still a second year player that is learning to play the most difficult position in the NFL. He has to deal with a bad coaching staff and he is missing his best weapon for the first time in his career.

This is the time when the coaching staff needs to help him succeed. They are clearly not doing that. JG has been here for a long time and the results continue to be the same. We need to get rid of JG not Dak.
It is possibly the worst three game stretch by any Cowboy QB in 30 years....but I'm with you.
Certainly not giving up on Dak.
 

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The past three games won't erase the previous 20+ games. Dak is now 18-9 as a starter.

I am not sure why everyone is turning on him so quickly. This season has been frustrating beyond belief, but Dak is still a second year player that is learning to play the most difficult position in the NFL. He has to deal with a bad coaching staff and he is missing his best weapon for the first time in his career.

This is the time when the coaching staff needs to help him succeed. They are clearly not doing that. JG has been here for a long time and the results continue to be the same. We need to get rid of JG not Dak.
WhatI am seeing is a player that is shell shocked. I see on that 2nd int yesterday...a guy flee the pocket because he was seeing ghosts.

This is not good. The 14 sacks over the last 3 games are starting to have a toll. I just hope it isnt one that ruins the kid.
 
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