I think a lot of people have this $ thing wrong.

[Champsheart]

This is just my opinion, and I am sure many people will disagree, but I do not think the right thing to do with T.O. is give him a 1 year incentive contract.

IMO, we should sign him to what he is worth, and that is a big contract.

To me when I look at T.O. and at the root of his problems I think it comes down to when he feels he is not being valued.

Examples would be -
1. T.O. felt he put his career on the line for the Eagles by playing in that Superbowl. He did something no one thought was possible and worked his tail off to play in that game. When he did that he expected the Eagles to rework his contract. He felt he showed his dedication, now the Eagles should show theirs. After all the hoopla, I think what it came down to is T.O. did not feel appreciated. And while I realize he agreed to the contract, no question he was underpaid.

2. T.O. sat on an interview and even dropped tears over things the Eagles said leading up to that Superbowl. He was hurt because the team said they did not need him to win the game. Once again T.O. felt his team did not appreciate what he could bring.

3. Several times during T.O.'s career I have seen him upset with watering eyes, and almost all of it seems to come from T.O. desperatlely seeking the respect, and appreciation. I think this all comes from his child hood for some reason, and while I know it sounds like I am playing Dr. Phil I really think that is the real issue. Yes, T.O. wants the money, but IMO it digs much deeper than that. I even think when he gets upset about not getting the ball, it goes to that same root problem, not feeling appreciated.

IMO, T.O. knows this is his last chance, but all parties are going to have to work together to get this right.

IMO, if T.O. feels appreciated by the Organization, I don't think there will be any BIG problems. IMO, there probably is no other owner in the leagues that knows how to make his players feel appreciated than Jerry Jones. If I am Jerry I do not move away from that trait, instead I try to exploit it more.

JMO!

 

[Ashwynn]

ok how bout we beat A-frauds contract - 10 years 300 million. WOuld that Guarentee Terrell is happy, win or lose, ball or no ball.

think about it, when you have to placate someone, somethings wrong somewhere.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This is just my opinion, and I am sure many people will disagree, but I do not think the right thing to do with T.O. is give him a 1 year incentive contract.

IMO, we should sign him to what he is worth, and that is a big contract.

To me when I look at T.O. and at the root of his problems I think it comes down to when he feels he is not being valued.

Examples would be -
1. T.O. felt he put his career on the line for the Eagles by playing in that Superbowl. He did something no one thought was possible and worked his tail off to play in that game. When he did that he expected the Eagles to rework his contract. He felt he showed his dedication, now the Eagles should show theirs. After all the hoopla, I think what it came down to is T.O. did not feel appreciated. And while I realize he agreed to the contract, no question he was underpaid.

2. T.O. sat on an interview and even dropped tears over things the Eagles said leading up to that Superbowl. He was hurt because the team said they did not need him to win the game. Once again T.O. felt his team did not appreciate what he could bring.

3. Several times during T.O.'s career I have seen him upset with watering eyes, and almost all of it seems to come from T.O. desperatlely seeking the respect, and appreciation. I think this all comes from his child hood for some reason, and while I know it sounds like I am playing Dr. Phil I really think that is the real issue. Yes, T.O. wants the money, but IMO it digs much deeper than that. I even think when he gets upset about not getting the ball, it goes to that same root problem, not feeling appreciated.

IMO, T.O. knows this is his last chance, but all parties are going to have to work together to get this right.

IMO, if T.O. feels appreciated by the Organization, I don't think there will be any BIG problems. IMO, there probably is no other owner in the leagues that knows how to make his players feel appreciated than Jerry Jones. If I am Jerry I do not move away from that trait, instead I try to exploit it more.

JMO!

Good points. I agree, he needs certain things. Long Term contract @ fair value. Everyone wants to be wanted. Its human nature.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is just my opinion, and I am sure many people will disagree, but I do not think the right thing to do with T.O. is give him a 1 year incentive contract.

IMO, we should sign him to what he is worth, and that is a big contract.

To me when I look at T.O. and at the root of his problems I think it comes down to when he feels he is not being valued.

Examples would be -
1. T.O. felt he put his career on the line for the Eagles by playing in that Superbowl. He did something no one thought was possible and worked his tail off to play in that game. When he did that he expected the Eagles to rework his contract. He felt he showed his dedication, now the Eagles should show theirs. After all the hoopla, I think what it came down to is T.O. did not feel appreciated. And while I realize he agreed to the contract, no question he was underpaid.

2. T.O. sat on an interview and even dropped tears over things the Eagles said leading up to that Superbowl. He was hurt because the team said they did not need him to win the game. Once again T.O. felt his team did not appreciate what he could bring.

3. Several times during T.O.'s career I have seen him upset with watering eyes, and almost all of it seems to come from T.O. desperatlely seeking the respect, and appreciation. I think this all comes from his child hood for some reason, and while I know it sounds like I am playing Dr. Phil I really think that is the real issue. Yes, T.O. wants the money, but IMO it digs much deeper than that. I even think when he gets upset about not getting the ball, it goes to that same root problem, not feeling appreciated.

IMO, T.O. knows this is his last chance, but all parties are going to have to work together to get this right.

IMO, if T.O. feels appreciated by the Organization, I don't think there will be any BIG problems. IMO, there probably is no other owner in the leagues that knows how to make his players feel appreciated than Jerry Jones. If I am Jerry I do not move away from that trait, instead I try to exploit it more.

JMO!

To get respect one has to show some respect and some of TO action are a total lack of respect. He many not like Garcia but you don't go out making comments to the press that Garcia is gay and the same with his stunts in Philly. You have a problem address it in the locker room you don't go out to the media and rip your team mates. That is a total lack of respect and something I would expect from some spoiled little kid who does not get his way.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

On first glance, I don't have a problem paying him as a top receiver, (which he is), as long as there is language that protects us if he exhibits "conduct detrimental to the team".

But even then, think about it, how would we recoup a big signing bonus that he has already spent and if we released him we would still take the cap hit?

Those are big problems.

 

[Big Country]

Nice read Champ!! I would have to agree with some of the loyalty issues... It's a team game with 53 bodies on the regular season roster, yeah we all know that, but it's the indivuduals that put their bodies, minds, and hearts on the line... only to be crippled up in their older years... TO did have a tough as hell childhood... I've seen the documentary of that. God only knows what the man has been through... Fan or no fan, man or no man, TO has endured and succeeded in the world stage of the most physically and mentally demanding sport on the planet.

 

[proline]

I hadn't thought of it that way, but I tend to agree with this thread. And I think "fair market value" will probably have to make him the highest paid receiver. As an offensive weapon, he definitely deserves it.

 

[Champsheart]

ok how bout we beat A-frauds contract - 10 years 300 million. WOuld that Guarentee Terrell is happy, win or lose, ball or no ball.

think about it, when you have to placate someone, somethings wrong somewhere.

Umm, no that is not what I am saying.

I am saying pay the man what he is worth. He is the best WR in football, pay him like he is.

And I did not say there was not something wrong somewhere, obviously there is. The thing is though if you can recognize it, and help the situation instead of compound the issue, it can work out.

That does not mean give him everything we wants all the time, what it means is appreicate him for being the best in the game, and the rest will be minimal.

 

[visionary]

Good points. I agree, he needs certain things. Long Term contract @ fair value. Everyone wants to be wanted. Its human nature.

even though i am not in favor of bringing him in, if he does come here he cannot get a long term contract. he has to go the day BP leaves. no coach will want to coach the cowboys once BP leaves if this prima donna is hanging around.

so JJ, pay him what you want in the next 2 years, we win back to back SBs and then bye bye TO.

 

[JackMagist]

Oh cry me a freakin' river. The guy is pushing 33 years of age; time for him to grow the hell up...somewhere besides in Dallas.

 

[panchucko]

It would never be enough, he will always want more.
If he is signed, and the Boys win 10 games, he will probably think he should be paid more.

Enough is enough, no T O

 

[DrunkWithPower]

Wasn't it mentioned that language such as "conduct dentrimental to the team" was no longer allowed under the new CBA? I think we sould sign him to a respectable contract and treat him like the premier receiver he is. I have no problem paying money for game-changing players, and he's one of the best. Plus, if we don't sign him I just can't see how we could label this FA period a success for the Cowboys...

We got lots of money but no players...wh00t!

 

[TX_Yid]

Wasn't it mentioned that language such as "conduct dentrimental to the team" was no longer allowed under the new CBA? I think we sould sign him to a respectable contract and treat him like the premier receiver he is. I have no problem paying money for game-changing players, and he's one of the best. Plus, if we don't sign him I just can't see how we could label this FA period a success for the Cowboys...

We got lots of money but no players...wh00t!

Maybe if we ended up with J Walker and Vinateri? I'd consider that a success too.

 

[Jarv]

Umm, no that is not what I am saying.

I am saying pay the man what he is worth. He is the best WR in football, pay him like he is.

What is your idea of fair in terms of signing bonus, salary and years ?

 

[Ashwynn]

On first glance, I don't have a problem paying him as a top receiver, (which he is), as long as there is language that protects us if he exhibits "conduct detrimental to the team".

But even then, think about it, how would we recoup a big signing bonus that he has already spent and if we released him we would still take the cap hit?

Those are big problems.

Thats just it, you cant protect yourself anymore. The Terrell rule prohibits any disciplinary action other then a 4 week, with pay suspension. You cant cut him after that. You cant re-suspend him, even for another violation not related to the first one. He will be free and clear to spread poison and theres nothing Jones, Parcells or McGinest could do about it.

Then couple that with the fact hes looking long term, big money, no clauses in his contract.

Hes pretty much talked his way out of a job in Denver and KC. Only Dallas is stupid enough to even still consider him. And the fans that wanna slob on him are sickening.

 

[Cochese]

"He is the best WR in football, pay him like he is."


Where do people get this stuff? Did he change his name to Chad Johnson or Steve Smith?

 

[Da Hammer]

This is just my opinion, and I am sure many people will disagree, but I do not think the right thing to do with T.O. is give him a 1 year incentive contract.

IMO, we should sign him to what he is worth, and that is a big contract.

To me when I look at T.O. and at the root of his problems I think it comes down to when he feels he is not being valued.

Examples would be -
1. T.O. felt he put his career on the line for the Eagles by playing in that Superbowl. He did something no one thought was possible and worked his tail off to play in that game. When he did that he expected the Eagles to rework his contract. He felt he showed his dedication, now the Eagles should show theirs. After all the hoopla, I think what it came down to is T.O. did not feel appreciated. And while I realize he agreed to the contract, no question he was underpaid.

2. T.O. sat on an interview and even dropped tears over things the Eagles said leading up to that Superbowl. He was hurt because the team said they did not need him to win the game. Once again T.O. felt his team did not appreciate what he could bring.

3. Several times during T.O.'s career I have seen him upset with watering eyes, and almost all of it seems to come from T.O. desperatlely seeking the respect, and appreciation. I think this all comes from his child hood for some reason, and while I know it sounds like I am playing Dr. Phil I really think that is the real issue. Yes, T.O. wants the money, but IMO it digs much deeper than that. I even think when he gets upset about not getting the ball, it goes to that same root problem, not feeling appreciated.

IMO, T.O. knows this is his last chance, but all parties are going to have to work together to get this right.

IMO, if T.O. feels appreciated by the Organization, I don't think there will be any BIG problems. IMO, there probably is no other owner in the leagues that knows how to make his players feel appreciated than Jerry Jones. If I am Jerry I do not move away from that trait, instead I try to exploit it more.

JMO!

Good read man

 

[Champsheart]

What is your idea of fair in terms of signing bonus, salary and years ?

I dont think that would be fair for me to try and determine. I really dont know what the rate for the top Receivers in the game are.

I do think it is important though the Cowboys do protect themselves in case it does go wrong, but not be low balling the guy.

Pay him like the top receiver but the contract needs to be protected so if T.O. goes bad the Cowboys are not Salary Cap strapped.

I dont think that will be a problem, and any team is going to do that.

Length I would like to see 3 or 4 years, but I really can not guess salary and signing bonus.