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Watching the video of the room of scouts plus Jerry plus Jason on the "Blitz" CBS tv show last night ... taped in the last few weeks.
Jason and Jerry were at the main table and had the floor of the discussion. Hey I imagine Wade was in the same spot last season. (And worse, Wade apparently had the Jason Williams "ace" and loved him.)
The whole Cowboys staff must cowtow to coaches plus Jerry in these meetings where it mostly Jerry talking BS (as he does on the video). There are 30 people in the room. Have you heard decision by committee amounts to championships? It looks by the vid that the scouts, including Ciskowski are afraid be passionate - yea or nay about any player ..
On this video, hearing Jerry espouse his draft philosophy for the (smarter? scouts) for a particular player, just dumb homilies. ("50 percent of picks don't make it" Jerry says), stupid,
Jerry has had no clue once the Schramm-era scouts were fired by Jerry himself way back in 1993. Hearing Jason's homilies on this video "I like him!". By all accounts, Jason was the lynchpin in he Roy Williams trade, Felix Jones was his favorite etc. ... God knows what Jason thinks about OL .. His dad did nothing as far as scouting here, very little anyway.
Let me tell Cowboys fans: The 1965-1993 era ruled. The same scouts mostly over the years. Fantastic results. Except that after the first SB win in Jan 1993, Jerry fired the wonderful draft/front office that he had inherited from the Schramm era to save money: Mansberger, Ackles, Wooten etc. These were the guys that had got us to the playoffs nearly every year for 20 years. Enter Larry Lacewell and an era of poor scouting .... (Jim Garrett came in in 1987 I think, but stuck around for way too long ...)
Don't believe me, but read the following from the savant Joel Buschbaum. And Jason Garrett, read the following and learn:
"'Don't forget the scouts"
Owners should think twice about giving head coaches too much power
By Joel Buchsbaum, Pro Football Weekly, Aug. 30, 2002
The league is undergoing a trend now where many owners stop appreciating the personnel departments and make the coaches the superstars.
This originally started in Dallas with Jimmy Johnson, where Johnson got the reputation as a brilliant personnel man.
In part, he deserved those accolades, but Dallas also had a brilliant scouting staff led by Dick Mansperger, with people such as Jeff Smith and Bob Ackles assisting.
The reason the Cowboys dropped off - although it took a few years - was because they did a poor job of drafting and trading after they dismantled key portions of the scouting staff.
Mansperger was one of the best and most unheralded scouting directors in the NFL.
Smith was also a yeoman's scout, and Ackles was a brilliant organizer, and front-office man, who played a key role in the Herschel Walker steal.
Without all these men, Cowboys president Jerry Jones and his son tried to do too many things themselves and as a result, the Cowboys had some disastrous trades, in combination with some poor drafts.
At times, they traded up for players that they could've gotten a round later and they were also picking up players that no one else wanted and paying exorbitant prices for players.
To give you an example of the contrast, in 1989, when Johnson took over shortly before the draft and relied heavily on the material Mansperger and his scouts supplied, the Cowboys drafted QB Troy Aikman in the first round, FB Daryl Johnston in the second round, C Mark Stepnoski in the third round and DE Tony Tolbert in the fourth round.
They also would've taken DL Marvin Washington in the fifth round, except Johnson overruled and took a player from Florida, DL Jeff Roth, whom he had faced when he coached Miami.
One year later, Dallas got RB Emmitt Smith, WR Alexander Wright, DB Kenny Gant and DT Jimmie Jones.
The following years, in 1991 and '92, they got DT Russell Maryland, WR Alvin Harper, LB Dixon Edwards, LB Godfrey Myles, OT Erik Williams, DT Leon Lett, CB Larry Brown, CB Kevin Smith, LB Robert Jones, WR Jimmy Smith and S Darren Woodson.
By 1993, a good portion of the scouting staff had been dismantled.
In '94, with Jones running the draft, Dallas traded up in the first round to select Arizona State DE Shante Carver, who most teams regarded as a late second-round pick.
In '95, Jones traded his first-round pick for two second-round picks, then wound up taking RB Sherman Williams, TE Kendell Watkins and OG Shane Hannah in the second round.
A year later, once again, he traded out of the first round, and the only players he had to show out of that draft were DE Kavika Pittman and LB Randall Godfrey.
In '97, he traded up for TE David LaFleur. ...
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Jason and Jerry were at the main table and had the floor of the discussion. Hey I imagine Wade was in the same spot last season. (And worse, Wade apparently had the Jason Williams "ace" and loved him.)
The whole Cowboys staff must cowtow to coaches plus Jerry in these meetings where it mostly Jerry talking BS (as he does on the video). There are 30 people in the room. Have you heard decision by committee amounts to championships? It looks by the vid that the scouts, including Ciskowski are afraid be passionate - yea or nay about any player ..
On this video, hearing Jerry espouse his draft philosophy for the (smarter? scouts) for a particular player, just dumb homilies. ("50 percent of picks don't make it" Jerry says), stupid,
Jerry has had no clue once the Schramm-era scouts were fired by Jerry himself way back in 1993. Hearing Jason's homilies on this video "I like him!". By all accounts, Jason was the lynchpin in he Roy Williams trade, Felix Jones was his favorite etc. ... God knows what Jason thinks about OL .. His dad did nothing as far as scouting here, very little anyway.
Let me tell Cowboys fans: The 1965-1993 era ruled. The same scouts mostly over the years. Fantastic results. Except that after the first SB win in Jan 1993, Jerry fired the wonderful draft/front office that he had inherited from the Schramm era to save money: Mansberger, Ackles, Wooten etc. These were the guys that had got us to the playoffs nearly every year for 20 years. Enter Larry Lacewell and an era of poor scouting .... (Jim Garrett came in in 1987 I think, but stuck around for way too long ...)
Don't believe me, but read the following from the savant Joel Buschbaum. And Jason Garrett, read the following and learn:
"'Don't forget the scouts"
Owners should think twice about giving head coaches too much power
By Joel Buchsbaum, Pro Football Weekly, Aug. 30, 2002
The league is undergoing a trend now where many owners stop appreciating the personnel departments and make the coaches the superstars.
This originally started in Dallas with Jimmy Johnson, where Johnson got the reputation as a brilliant personnel man.
In part, he deserved those accolades, but Dallas also had a brilliant scouting staff led by Dick Mansperger, with people such as Jeff Smith and Bob Ackles assisting.
The reason the Cowboys dropped off - although it took a few years - was because they did a poor job of drafting and trading after they dismantled key portions of the scouting staff.
Mansperger was one of the best and most unheralded scouting directors in the NFL.
Smith was also a yeoman's scout, and Ackles was a brilliant organizer, and front-office man, who played a key role in the Herschel Walker steal.
Without all these men, Cowboys president Jerry Jones and his son tried to do too many things themselves and as a result, the Cowboys had some disastrous trades, in combination with some poor drafts.
At times, they traded up for players that they could've gotten a round later and they were also picking up players that no one else wanted and paying exorbitant prices for players.
To give you an example of the contrast, in 1989, when Johnson took over shortly before the draft and relied heavily on the material Mansperger and his scouts supplied, the Cowboys drafted QB Troy Aikman in the first round, FB Daryl Johnston in the second round, C Mark Stepnoski in the third round and DE Tony Tolbert in the fourth round.
They also would've taken DL Marvin Washington in the fifth round, except Johnson overruled and took a player from Florida, DL Jeff Roth, whom he had faced when he coached Miami.
One year later, Dallas got RB Emmitt Smith, WR Alexander Wright, DB Kenny Gant and DT Jimmie Jones.
The following years, in 1991 and '92, they got DT Russell Maryland, WR Alvin Harper, LB Dixon Edwards, LB Godfrey Myles, OT Erik Williams, DT Leon Lett, CB Larry Brown, CB Kevin Smith, LB Robert Jones, WR Jimmy Smith and S Darren Woodson.
By 1993, a good portion of the scouting staff had been dismantled.
In '94, with Jones running the draft, Dallas traded up in the first round to select Arizona State DE Shante Carver, who most teams regarded as a late second-round pick.
In '95, Jones traded his first-round pick for two second-round picks, then wound up taking RB Sherman Williams, TE Kendell Watkins and OG Shane Hannah in the second round.
A year later, once again, he traded out of the first round, and the only players he had to show out of that draft were DE Kavika Pittman and LB Randall Godfrey.
In '97, he traded up for TE David LaFleur. ...
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