If all these DT's are on the board at 42, which one?

[Cowboyny]

I think Hill will be gone soon enough

Until I hear otherwise, his roster spot is safe and remains the starter at the position.

 

[gimmesix]

Until I hear otherwise, his roster spot is safe and remains the starter at the position.

I don't think if Quinn studies the tape from last season that he'll like what he sees. I believe Hill will have to prove himself this preseason hopefully against some quality competition for the spot. We improved there when Hill got hurt and Gallimore took over, which is why I have higher hopes for Gallimore, even though he's also not what we need as a starter there ... at least not yet.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

For this scenario assume we addressed corner in rd 1, Moehrig/Grant are already off the board, but all the DT's outside of Barmore are still available, which one would you take:

Onwuzurike Washington
Nixon Iowa
Tufele USC
McNeil NC State

I would probably lean towards Tufele as he offers the best positional flex. Can play the 3, the 1 and even the 4T. The top two are strictly 3T, where McNeil might be rated too high as more of a run, two down player.

I like Nixon and then McNeil

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't think if Quinn studies the tape from last season that he'll like what he sees. I believe Hill will have to prove himself this preseason hopefully against some quality competition for the spot. We improved there when Hill got hurt and Gallimore took over, which is why I have higher hopes for Gallimore, even though he's also not what we need as a starter there ... at least not yet.

Both prospects should be in a competition for more playing time and or becoming the starter if no other resources are brought in. Are either high end starters at this juncture? No, but have upside potential to do so. Best plan is probably, sign a veteran to start and allow these prospects to continue their development. Let them earn a starting position. Don't think it makes sense to draft another, unless they are expecting to release one in the near future.

 

[stilltheguru]

Both prospects should be in a competition for more playing time and or becoming the starter if no other resources are brought in. Are either high end starters at this juncture? No, but have upside potential to do so. Best plan is probably, sign a veteran to start and allow these prospects to continue their development. Let them earn a starting position. Don't think it makes sense to draft another, unless they are expecting to release one in the near future.

They should be banking on cutting softy Hill if they were smart. If he's good cool wed have 3 3techs same as last year with Gallimore and McCoy joining him. If he sucks wed have gallimore and the rookie. Win/win

 

[Cowboyny]

They should be banking on cutting softy Hill if they were smart. If he's good cool wed have 3 3techs same as last year with Gallimore and McCoy joining him. If he sucks wed have gallimore and the rookie. Win/win

I don't understand the love for Gallimore and all the hate for Hill. Was it cause they took him over a safety? Gallimore looked like a rookie, as he had his struggles. Both he and Hill flashed at times, but showed little to no consistency.

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand the love for Gallimore and all the hate for Hill. Was it cause they took him over a safety? Gallimore looked like a rookie, as he had his struggles. Both he and Hill flashed at times, but showed little to no consistency.

Galley has a very high ceiling, and really started to come on. Very different prospects.

 

[kskboys]

They should be banking on cutting softy Hill if they were smart. If he's good cool wed have 3 3techs same as last year with Gallimore and McCoy joining him. If he sucks wed have gallimore and the rookie. Win/win

No use to cut him until someone beats him out. W/ our complete incompetence at choosing DT's, unlikely.

 

[stilltheguru]

I don't understand the love for Gallimore and all the hate for Hill. Was it cause they took him over a safety? Gallimore looked like a rookie, as he had his struggles. Both he and Hill flashed at times, but showed little to no consistency.

Its because he doesn't care about football hence him signing a work ethic clause. Hes a loser. Jamrcus Russell flashed too

 

[stilltheguru]

No use to cut him until someone beats him out. W/ our complete incompetence at choosing DT's, unlikely.

Gallimore will easily beat him out. Id put good money on that.

 

[Cowboyny]

Its because he doesn't care about football hence him signing a work ethic clause. Hes a loser. Jamrcus Russell flashed too

Cause he fell asleep when a former basketball player was speaking? Nothing suggests he is a poor worker nor lacks effort on the field. Crawford, a team leader spoke highly of the player in camp. He was a late 2nd rd pick that was considered a raw prospect, he needs time to develop. Getting hurt last year set him back as he needed the experience.

 

[Sully]

Probably Daviyon Nixon. I've heard Tufele is not good vs the run.

Heard the same thing on Tufele. This Dallas D needs a run stuffers.

 

[gimmesix]

Both prospects should be in a competition for more playing time and or becoming the starter if no other resources are brought in. Are either high end starters at this juncture? No, but have upside potential to do so. Best plan is probably, sign a veteran to start and allow these prospects to continue their development. Let them earn a starting position. Don't think it makes sense to draft another, unless they are expecting to release one in the near future.

I think it makes absolute sense at one of the most important positions in this defensive alignment to keep striving to find that disruptive player who can make a difference. The closest we've come is David Irving, but he couldn't keep himself on the field.

To run this defense effectively, we've got to have a great FS and a great 3-tech. The evidence tells us we have neither.

If we can get someone like Leonard Williams from the Giants, I'm all for using the FA route to fill the spot. But unless there's a standout 3-tech who comes cheap, I don't think we'll be fixing the spot through free agency. We stand a much better chance of finding a decently cheap NT in free agency because they don't usually rack up big numbers.

We need to fix both spots, but we have to have a high-end starter at 3-tech and I wouldn't be eager to gamble that either Hill or Gallimore is that player.

 

[tm1119]

I think DLaw and Diggs should feel confident in holding a starting spot...I don’t see a single other defensive player on this roster that has shown the ability to be both consistently healthy and hold a consistent acceptable level of play to be given a starting spot. And overall I don’t see a single difference maker at any level of the D either. Just harsh realities...

Long story short- there should be no position thats off limits when drafting on D.

 

[stilltheguru]

I just told you he had to sign a fake work ethic clause from Marenelli. Everybody knows he's a lazy bum. To be on here as much as you are you should've known that. And dont start with the team leader spoke up stuff. (Hes a beast) lol ok Crawford. He sure looked like a beast those games he played

Cause he fell asleep when a former basketball player was speaking? Nothing suggests he is a poor worker nor lacks effort on the field. Crawford, a team leader spoke highly of the player in camp. He was a late 2nd rd pick that was considered a raw prospect, he needs time to develop. Getting hurt last year set him back as he needed the experience.

 

[gimmesix]

I think DLaw and Diggs should feel confident in holding a starting spot...I don’t see a single other defensive player on this roster that has shown the ability to be both consistently healthy and hold a consistent acceptable level of play to be given a starting spot. And overall I don’t see a single difference maker at any level of the D either. Just harsh realities...

Long story short- there should be no position thats off limits when drafting on D.

There are higher priorities, though. SS isn't as high of a priority because Donovan Wilson played well. Linebacker for me is a little lower because I want to see what Jaylon and LVE do behind a decent line, and they have played quite decently before, which should tell us that there are factors involved in their drop-offs.

Randy Gregory showed he can be a starting quality end, so I'm less inclined to draft that position early unless we draft a base end who has the power to slip inside on passing downs or a pass-rushing tackle who has the flexibility to play outside on running downs.

IMO, we have to absolutely find two starting-quality DTs, a starting FS, a starting corner and at least a two-down starting linebacker. The probability of us finding all of that in one draft is very, very low. We can draft enough bodies for those five spots, but it isn't likely that all of them will be starting quality, much less high-end.

 

[tm1119]

There are higher priorities, though. SS isn't as high of a priority because Donovan Wilson played well. Linebacker for me is a little lower because I want to see what Jaylon and LVE do behind a decent line, and they have played quite decently before, which should tell us that there are factors involved in their drop-offs.

Randy Gregory showed he can be a starting quality end, so I'm less inclined to draft that position early unless we draft a base end who has the power to slip inside on passing downs or a pass-rushing tackle who has the flexibility to play outside on running downs.

IMO, we have to absolutely find two starting-quality DTs, a starting FS, a starting corner and at least a two-down starting linebacker. The probability of us finding all of that in one draft is very, very low. We can draft enough bodies for those five spots, but it isn't likely that all of them will be starting quality, much less high-end.

Won’t argue too much on Wilson. My hopes aren’t as high on him as most, but we could do worse

The amount of good play by Jaylon is greatly exaggerated. He complied counting stats, sure...but does he actually know how to diagnose a run play? Will he stop shying away from contact? Will he suddenly be able to change direction like someone without a debilitating knee injury?

Love LVE when healthy...not going to hold my breath on that though. I’ve seen this play with Lee already

Not going to get into the same argument on Gregory for 3 straight years...the output hasn’t matched the hype since he was a sophomore at Nebraska. Plus even if you think Gregory is the real deal he will be an UFA after the year and D Law has an insane $27M cap hit in ‘22 that makes him an almost no brainer post June 1 cut. Pass rusher is the most important position on D and we are thin, always has to be a priority.

And of course I don’t expect to fill all of our needs this draft. I’m simply making the point that this nit picking between what our needs are is pointless. We need to compile actual talent and difference makers before being picky about the position.

 

[gimmesix]

Won’t argue too much on Wilson. My hopes aren’t as high on him as most, but we could do worse

The amount of good play by Jaylon is greatly exaggerated. He complied counting stats, sure...but does he actually know how to diagnose a run play? Will he stop shying away from contact? Will he suddenly be able to change direction like someone without a debilitating knee injury?

Love LVE when healthy...not going to hold my breath on that though. I’ve seen this play with Lee already

Not going to get into the same argument on Gregory for 3 straight years...the output hasn’t matched the hype since he was a sophomore at Nebraska. Plus even if you think Gregory is the real deal he will be an UFA after the year and D Law has an insane $27M cap hit in ‘22 that makes him an almost no brainer post June 1 cut. Pass rusher is the most important position on D and we are thin, always has to be a priority.

And of course I don’t expect to fill all of our needs this draft. I’m simply making the point that this nit picking between what our needs are is pointless. We need to compile actual talent and difference makers before being picky about the position.

I'm not against upgrading any position, but you have to nitpick because some positions are more in critical need than others. Could Wilson fall off from how he was playing in 2020? Yes. Could Jaylon and LVE not get back to the form that saw Jaylon deserve a Pro Bowl nod (which he got the next season as a replacement)? Yes. Could Gregory's play drop off or could he end up having more issues? Yes.

But I'd much rather take a chance on that than what we have (or don't have) at those other positions. Since you can't replace everyone, you must identify the weakest areas and try to fix them.

 

[stilltheguru]

I think DLaw and Diggs should feel confident in holding a starting spot...I don’t see a single other defensive player on this roster that has shown the ability to be both consistently healthy and hold a consistent acceptable level of play to be given a starting spot. And overall I don’t see a single difference maker at any level of the D either. Just harsh realities...

Long story short- there should be no position thats off limits when drafting on D.

Wilson was better than Diggs but carry on

 

[timb2]

The DT I want is Tedarrell Slayton DT from Florida 6-5,350 lbs.