If Brady Quinn entered the draft?

[silver]

bush is the best player to come out since randy moss. unfortunately he will not fall to the 20's like randy did. i fully believe he'll end up in green bay. for some strange reason i think houston is jinxed and will win 2 out of the last 4 and earn themselves the second overall pick. green bay will not win another game IMHO.

 

[burmafrd]

Big Irish fan here. Those HINTS some are claiming are not coming from Brady- they are coming from other sources. Some people are dreaming of the big bucks that Brady could get coming out now- and that is where its ALL coming from. Brady HIMSELF said that another year learning from Charlie would make him a better QB for the Pros. He acknowledged that many would think he was a one year wonder if he came out now. therefore he could slip deep into the first rd. And THAT would cost him millions. So from that HARD PRACTICAL point of view he will stay in school and learn from the best THERE.

 

[BHendri5]

I am also a big Brady Quinn fan. I say that right now he is the best college QB. He would be ready for the NFL now if he came out. I'm glad that he is staying. I liked him as a freshman, he took over as the starter as a freshman mid late in the season, and then he was the starter as a sophmore. He was not the reason Willingham got fired, I believe the powers that be at Notre Dame just got the hots for Urban Meyer. Willingham is not the QB coach that Weis is but Brady was going to be good anyway.

I was upset at the way Willingham got fired, I thought it was unfair, but I was glad that Weis was hired, and I knew that he would help Quinn Tremendously, and aanother year under Charlie will make Quinn ready to step in without going thru a lot of the natural rookie growing pains that Rookie QBs go thru.

Charlie has that NFL system going there in Southbend, both on Defense and offense.
Someone mentioned the WRs and the TE at Notre Dame, I was just thinking about those guys yesterday. Man if we could at least get the TE, we would not have the problem we have when we bring in Campbell, because that TE can block as well as catch and run routes.

No doubt in my mind that Quinn already is better than Leinart, and hands down better than Young, he definitely would go before YOung this season and the next.

Young is the better athlete, as far as running, but Quinn is no slouch. Quinn is and will be a complete QB, Young we do not know if he will make it that far. But as a runner VY is very good, I still say he would make an excellent WR in the NFL.

 

[Hostile]

Comparing Davis to Bush is like comparing Quincy Carter to Troy Aikman. Houston will draft Bush if given the opportunity.

I didn't compare Davis to Bush. I said they can get by with Davis easier than they can get by with that OL. Their focus needs to be OL and trading down. Play on other team's greed. Use it and capitalize.

 

[Hostile]

Do you think Lienhart developed any his senior year? I think all it did was give critics more time to pick apart his game. He would have been a consensus #1 pick last year but look at him now...not even a guaranteed #2.

Yes, I do think he developed in his senior year, though it would have been a lot more if he hadn't lost Norm Chow as his OC. No disrespect meant to Steve Sarkisian.

Leinart was more efficient in 2005 than he was in 2004 when he won the Heisman. He threw more TDs and fewer INTs and if I'm not mistaken his completion % went up. I'd call that development.

The #1 development of any Sr. year for a QB though is maturity level. You can't put a number on that.

 

[Danny White]

I would laugh myself to tears if Matt Leinart fell below Brady Quinn in the draft. That would just make my day!

 

[burmafrd]

For a lot of the first half against UCLA, Leinart stank the place up. It was all Bush.
I really think that Leinart will not be a top QBi in the NFL- more like a Trent Green, type.

 

[baj1dallas]

The #1 development of any Sr. year for a QB though is maturity level. You can't put a number on that.

I don't see it. I didn't really mature any my senior year of college. I matured a whole hell of a lot a couple years later after having a real job.

 

[Hostile]

I don't see it. I didn't really mature any my senior year of college. I matured a whole hell of a lot a couple years later after having a real job.

You weren't asked to be under a microscope as the unquestioned leader of a 60+ man football squad.

Forgive me if I see a difference.

 

[burmafrd]

It really depends on the individual. Types like Leaf never really mature; others do.
I really have not seen all that much improvement in Leinart this year- and how much his stats are due to Bush and White and company is something else to consider.
Remember the Miami QB's of the 90's that had all that great talent around them- and none of them distinguished themselves in the Pro Ranks.

 

[Hostile]

It really depends on the individual. Types like Leaf never really mature; others do.
I really have not seen all that much improvement in Leinart this year- and how much his stats are due to Bush and White and company is something else to consider.
Remember the Miami QB's of the 90's that had all that great talent around them- and none of them distinguished themselves in the Pro Ranks.

Leaf didn't stay for his Sr. year so how can you say he didn't mature?

Also, saying a QB should stay for their Sr. year doesn't have anything to do with whether they were already a pro prospect or not. Some of the Miami QB were not pro prospects.

 

[scottsp]

I don't know how much better Matt Leinart could have been this year. Of course, it would have been next to impossible for him to top his junior season. Funny thing, his best season is still the one he put up his sophomore year. He hasn't suffered any dropoff. The way they run the ball now is astounding.

You didn't hear anything out of Leinart this year except for what he did on the field. He is incredibly accurate and can make every throw an NFL team would require. He likely would have been the top pick in 2005. I don't see how he has diminished, in any way, from his draft stock.

Carson Palmer was obviously a tremendous prospect coming out of SC. Leinart picked up where he left off. They never missed a beat. In fact, they've only lost once since Palmer's departure three years ago. Leinart has been a model of consistency during that stretch. Yes, he has a wealth of talent around him. So did Palmer. So does Reggie Bush. So do Steve Smith, LenDale White, Dominique Byrd, and Dwayne Jarrett.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Quinn are YOung are both guys just like many QBs who have gone bust in the past, imo. Neither has had a good year till this season. That's a dangerous omen and a dangerous guy to take #1 overall. Young threw as many ints and tds just last season in Texas, and Quinn was nothing special last year at ND, part of the reason his coach was fired.

They may both turn out to be great NFL QBs, but if either wants to be the first QB taken in the draft, I think they have to prove they can do it 2 years in a row, which may be what keeps Quinn in college. It's looking very much like Young will come out, and with his size and athleticism, Quinn could just as easily end up the 3rd QB taken. He would be wise to return to school and prove his consistancy, imo.

I just don't see how any team could put the #1 pick and money into any QB other than Leinart based on their college careers...it would be a major gamble.

Carson Palmer did nothing until his Senior year, and look how that turned out

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ya Cutler has a lot of potential, i wouldnt mind seeing him wearing the star. Quinn would still be my ideal pick, but i'd be happy to see the boys take a chance on a QB sometime first day. I've allbut given up on Henson personally, and I never thought romo was gonna start.

I wouldn't mind taking Cutler

behind Oline...

and drafing Cutler, and keeping Henson would be ideal IMO let the 2 talented youngsters battle it out, and develop behind Bledsoe, after all, Henson is still under a very, cheap deal

1st round: OT
2nd round: Cutler
3rd round: OG

 

[ghst187]

If we play our cards right, they may not be the case.

What if we traded our first-round pick this year to a bad team that's willing to give us their first-round pick next year along with another pick this year. (i.e. Buffalo a couple drafts ago)

That would allow us to have two-first round picks next year and would enable us to have a lot more resources to make a run at Quinn. We could package our two-first round picks to move up to the first spot and grab our QB of the future.

that is actually a great idea that I've also brought up several times on this board. I'm 100% for it. It would also allow us to recoup our 4th round pick that we lost for Canty. (I think its a 4th).
Quinn is worth the wait, esp if he stays another year under Weis. Quinn is exponentially more NFL-ready than Young. Quinn has moxie like no one's business. I think Bush is the #1 pick even if Quinn came out this year but Quinn would be #2. Quinn is hands down the best college QB right now.

Without 2x #1's next year, it would cost us most of our 2007 and some 2008 picks, which is a lot....but what is a franchise QB worth?

 

[zagnut]

I'm in the minorities of minorities. I just don't see an every down back when I look at Reggie Bush. Maybe he can be as good as Marshall Faulk, but Faulk was just a pretty good RB until he was traded to the Rams. Marshall had to go to the right offense in order to really succeed.

Quinn? I think he's better than Leinart. Leinart plays kind of similar to Harrington minus the late game heroics (for obvious reasons). Actually, I thought Harrington was a better player in college. I just don't see it. He's the Heath Shuler/Rick Mirer of this draft.

 

[Hiero]

I wouldn't mind taking Cutler

behind Oline...

and drafing Cutler, and keeping Henson would be ideal IMO let the 2 talented youngsters battle it out, and develop behind Bledsoe, after all, Henson is still under a very, cheap deal

1st round: OT
2nd round: Cutler
3rd round: OG

Cutler's stock has been rising a lot lately it seems, he isnt gonna be there when we pick in the 2nd. He may sneak into the end of the 1st rd.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I changed my mind

my 3 round mock, sorry, I love the draft

1st: Jonathan Scott, OT, UT
2nd: D'Qwell Jackson, MLB, Maryland (tackling machine, solid in coverage)
3rd: Hank Baskett, WR, New Mexico

 

[Smith22]

Quinn stays in school IMO. Put up another season like he has had this year and I don't see how he couldn't be a top 5 pick.

 

[burmafrd]

If he puts up another season like this one he is the #1 for 2007.