If Brady wins, it could help us

[thechosen1n2]

Especially if it is overturned because of "No Proof". I would love for that to be the reason because the flood gates would then open. The first thing I would say to the league if Im Jerry is "If this was overturned because of insufficient evidence then Hardy needs to be reinstated immediately because once again, you all don't have sufficient evidence. The legal system found him not guilty for that same reason. If they don't act in accord I'm screaming partiality and favoritism. So if played right, this could be a win win. Either we get a bradyless pats team, or we have Hardy when we play the pats. I personally would prefer choice 2. A full season with Hardy>facing NE without Brady.

 

[jrumann59]

Especially if it is overturned because of "No Proof". I would love for that to be the reason because the flood gates would then open. The first thing I would say to the league if Im Jerry is "If this was overturned because of insufficient evidence then Hardy needs to be reinstated immediately because once again, you all don't have sufficient evidence. The legal system found him not guilty for that same reason. If they don't act in accord I'm screaming partiality and favoritism. So if played right, this could be a win win. Either we get a bradyless pats team, or we have Hardy when we play the pats. I personally would prefer choice 2. A full season with Hardy>facing NE without Brady.

the thing is they can lay the suspension at his feet because he was not 100% cooperative,

 

[thechosen1n2]

the thing is they can lay the suspension at his feet because he was not 100% cooperative,

Explain. Lay it at Bradys feet?

 

[jrumann59]

Explain. Lay it at Bradys feet?

He is being suspended for conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game. During the investigation he was not cooperative, did not turn over phone and emails and texts. then throw in the public denials.

 

[Tabascocat]

How upset would yas be if his case is heard and determined well before Hardy's? Tom's final punishment should be decided before camp but in Hardy's case, I hear it will go into the season if it goes to court.

 

[JoeKing]

How upset would yas be if his case is heard and determined well before Hardy's? Tom's final punishment should be decided before camp but in Hardy's case, I hear it will go into the season if it goes to court.

Oh I expect that. The Hardy case is more complicated and has more hands on it than Brady's deflategate appeal.

 

[bb721]

The legal system found him not guilty for that same reason..

The legal system did NOT find him not guilty. They were forced to drop the charges in Hardy's appeal when the accuser would not testify. That is not the same thing as being found not guilty. He was actually found guilty in the initial trial.

 

[Kevinicus]

The legal system did NOT find him not guilty. They were forced to drop the charges in Hardy's appeal when the accuser would not testify. That is not the same thing as being found not guilty. He was actually found guilty in the initial trial.

That is not factual. They were not forced to do anything.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is about the game and violating rules specific to the game. It's not about conduct violations outside of football so I seriously doubt Brady can do much about this. If he challenges it, he will have to provide his cell phone and I don't think he's too interested in that. JMO

 

[bb721]

That is not factual. They were not forced to do anything.

So maybe the word forced was a bad choice, but that is totally and completely irrelevant to the point that was being made. Greg Hardy was NOT found not guilty.

 

[Kevinicus]

So maybe the word forced was a bad choice, but that is totally and completely irrelevant to the point that was being made. Greg Hardy was NOT found not guilty.

True, but legally, he was not found guilty either. The first ruling doesn't exist.

 

[reddyuta]

The chances of Brady getting off are close to zero,he will serve his 4 game suspension.

 

[dogberry]

Is Brady's case akin to civil or criminal law?

How much cooperation does he owe?

He doesn't have to help the prosecution make their case. We aren't under the Code Napoleon.

I wouldn't give my boss' trade association my phone.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Is Brady's case akin to civil or criminal law?

How much cooperation does he owe?

He doesn't have to help the prosecution make their case. We aren't under the Code Napoleon.

I wouldn't give my boss' trade association my phone.

No he doesn't have to. But it casts a suspicion of doubt that he's done something wrong and that he's not willing to prove it. In court is innocent until proven guilty. In his case, he has to prove he wasn't guilty by showing he has nothing to hide by showing his email and text. There is already a tag on him as a cheater. Its up to him to prove that he wasn't cheating.

 

[Nightman]

Is Brady's case akin to civil or criminal law?

How much cooperation does he owe?

He doesn't have to help the prosecution make their case. We aren't under the Code Napoleon.

I wouldn't give my boss' trade association my phone.

Actually he does have to cooperate. It is in the rules. I don't have the exact section, but it's there.

It is easy to say they have no proof when they are stonewalling the investigation. There are many, many calls and texts that could not be recovered between Brady, McNally and Jastremski.

 

[Rockport]

Personally I hope that he plays against the Cowboys. I'd rather beat them with Brady than without. It would go a long way in building confidence.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Personally I hope that he plays against the Cowboys. I'd rather beat them with Brady than without. It would go a long way in building confidence.

JMO, but I don't think this team lacks confidence and they will have plenty of other tests, to build it. Give me an easier game any day.

 

[Nightman]

JMO, but I don't think this team lacks confidence and they will have plenty of other tests, to build it. Give me an easier game any day.

If it is the difference between going to GB or SEA in the playoffs, I'll take the easier win.

 

[speedkilz88]

This is about the game and violating rules specific to the game. It's not about conduct violations outside of football so I seriously doubt Brady can do much about this. If he challenges it, he will have to provide his cell phone and I don't think he's too interested in that. JMO

Right. Too many people think that he can argue that there is no proof in court. The CBA gives the NFL the right to punish players for conduct detrimental to the league. So no court is going to rule against that. They can only argue if the punishment wasn't applied correctly or possibly rule that the commissioner should have appointed a neutral arbitrator. I suspect the only way Brady gets the suspension reduced is if the commissioner reduces it himself.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I thought Brady's suspension was his refusal to cooperate with the investigation, which is part of agreement in the CBA between the NFL and NFLPA. His suspension can be appealed but the CBA would have to be found unfair or incorrectly worded for the suspension to be reduced.