If cap space was a fungible item

[Killerinstinct]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

 

[JoeKing]

Dallas is restructuring contracts as we speak to get under the cap. They don't need a deal with Cleveland.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

I think that would bring a cool dynamic into the league if it were. And to answer your post, I'm not smart enough to come up with that equation off hand.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I think that would bring a cool dynamic into the league if it were. And to answer your post, I'm not smart enough to come up with that equation off hand.

I agree. It would add an interesting dynamic into the league. I also am not smart enough to figure out what the value would be but I bet someone here has an idea.

24 Mil a year would likely allow you to add 2 top proven talents. There has to be a high value for that.

 

[Setackin]

Would be very interesting to allow teams to trade for cap space... put a limit on it, say 30 mil and make the #1 overall worth 30 mil then go from there... by the 3rd round picks would probably be worthless cap wise.

 

[Nightman]

I agree. It would add an interesting dynamic into the league. I also am not smart enough to figure out what the value would be but I bet someone here has an idea.

24 Mil a year would likely allow you to add 2 top proven talents. There has to be a high value for that.

many fantasy leagues allow teams to trade FAAB money (free agent acquisition bids) but it doesn't get traded much....... it is a pretty hard thing to value and the problem could be more than a one year commitment

It would help teams against the cap trade players with huge dead money accelerations which is usually the big holdup with in season trades

 

[Killerinstinct]

Would be very interesting to allow teams to trade for cap space... put a limit on it, say 30 mil and make the #1 overall worth 30 mil then go from there... by the 3rd round picks would probably be worthless cap wise.

Well that is an interesting thought since using the draft pick calculator the 1st pick of the draft is worth 3000 points. It would be easy to figure the rest of the picks doing so. For instance pick 32 would be worth $5.9 mil and would quickly loose value from there with the last pick in the 3rd rd being worth $1.16 mil

The irony would be however that the person picking 1st who could gain 30 mil in cap space would likely be one of the teams with most cap space to spare. LOL!

And the opposite would hold true. The teams most needing to gain cap space would probably be the better teams that would have later picks worth less.

 

[Killerinstinct]

many fantasy leagues allow teams to trade FAAB money (free agent acquisition bids) but it doesn't get traded much....... it is a pretty hard thing to value and the problem could be more than a one year commitment

It would help teams against the cap trade players with huge dead money accelerations which is usually the big holdup with in season trades

" could be more than a one year commitment"
Good point. Let's say you traded a pick for cap space. You could use it all in one year or prorate it over several years. Let's say you traded a pick for 10 mil in cap space. Maybe it would be better to allocate 2.5 mil per year for 4 years. That would make the trades more interesting because the team giving up cap space may have it to give the first year but by year 4 it may not work for them. At the very least it would force them to plan it so that they would use less cap space in the future. So the parameters would have to be worked out by both teams before the trade.

 

[Setackin]

Well that is an interesting thought since using the draft pick calculator the 1st pick of the draft is worth 3000 points. It would be easy to figure the rest of the picks doing so. For instance pick 32 would be worth $5.9 mil and would quickly loose value from there with the last pick in the 3rd rd being worth $1.16 mil

The irony would be however that the person picking 1st who could gain 30 mil in cap space would likely be one of the teams with most cap space to spare. LOL!

And the opposite would hold true. The teams most needing to gain cap space would probably be the better teams that would have later picks worth less.

Lol good point, that would be very self defeating... interesting to think about though.

 

[Setackin]

" could be more than a one year commitment"
Good point. Let's say you traded a pick for cap space. You could use it all in one year or prorate it over several years. Let's say you traded a pick for 10 mil in cap space. Maybe it would be better to allocate 2.5 mil per year for 4 years. That would make the trades more interesting because the team giving up cap space may have it to give the first year but by year 4 it may not work for them. At the very least it would force them to plan it so that they would use less cap space in the future. So the parameters would have to be worked out by both teams before the trade.

Maybe the money traded takes precedents over player contracts and u can allocate it over X amount of years.

 

[WeaponX]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

Kudos for a truly original post - this is actually an interesting concept. The traded "cap" space couldn't count against the cap of the receiving team for obvious reasons, so you'd probably see some of the big spending teams utilize this and continue to spend big on free agency while a Cleveland (under their new moneyball approach) would hoard picks.

In this scenario, can the traded cap carry over, must it be used all in the same year, or can it be assignable to in place contracts and carry with that contract through its entirety?

 

[conner01]

Cool idea but the problem is cap space is not just a one year thing. Say you trade a pick for 20 mil in cap space, and sign a player you would have to seriously front load his contract which tends to cause players to want a new deal in a couple years when they are making min contract
But it is an interesting idea but may not be compatible with spending minimums in the cba

 

[Kaiser]

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

Its an interesting idea but the way the NFL is set up with haves and have nots I doubt they would do it as blanket moves like that. Major League Baseball allows teams to trade signing bonus slots for draft picks and international free agents, something on a smaller scale like that would be interesting to think about.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

I apprehensively googled "fungible"

 

[jrumann59]

Sorry I would say trading for cap space needs to be a nuclear option so to speak. To get let's say 24mill you would need to forfeit all non compensatory draft picks. But bits and piece relief like trading a 1st rounder I would say its worth what the slot is plus +10% so if the 20th slot is worth a 10 mil cap charge if you trade it to a team with space you get 11mill

 

[Nightman]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

Here is a new angle.......if DAL restructures Romo's deal and reduces his base salary to 1m that would immediately clear 8.6m from the cap this year....if they trade him his new team would only be on the hook for 1m.......how much would that increase his value????

Is 13m in real money and cap space worth an additional top pick
Romo for 1m is pretty enticing

DAL has to eat more cap space but all that means is restructuring Dez to break even

 

[fredp22]

how much would 24 mil be worth?

Example Team A is 30 mil under the cap.

Team b is over the cap and has no one they can risk with a restructure

What would 24 mil be worth?

Further example Cleveland is under the cap

Dallas is over the cap.

Dallas trades 1st rd pick to Cleveland in exchange for how much cap space?

doesnt it indirectly happened?
Dallas has 28th pick- last year that position was worth 9mm in salary (5mm guaranteed). The cap relief would be about 7mm year 1 if Cowboys traded that pick. Its a savings tho-not a relief.
Cant do a relief. it would be redundant. If Cleveland got our #1 pick for a relief they would have to pay the players salary for a cap hit and lose the relief they gave us for the trade (redundant). Teams wont start double paying for a player