If Flournoy has a dynamic season, does it affect Pickens being here long term?

[Typhus]

All I know is that this offense has the ability to be dynamic this season.
Dak has no excuses.

 

[DarkVader33]

I think it’s going to be a 3rd round comp pick (at best).

I don’t envision the Cowboys tagging him twice.

In fact, in my opinion, they already agreed not to with Pickens and his agent, and that was the impetus for him signing the tag and showing up for work.

Do we know for sure that’s what the cowboys promised? And even if true, does that preclude them from a tag and trade? It’s hard for me to believe the cowboys would agree to walk away with nothing except at most a 3rd round comp pick.

 

[Stash]

Do we know for sure that’s what the cowboys promised?

No. It’s just my own theory/opinion.

And even if true, does that preclude them from a tag and trade? It’s hard for me to believe the cowboys would agree to walk away with nothing except at most a 3rd round comp pick.

Perfectly understandable. As I said, it’s only my opinion.

But I can’t think of another reason why Pickens and his agent would so quickly and easily agree and sign the franchise tag.

 

[LouBrown]

Flournoy is only a year older. That’s a lot?

He'd be 29 when an extension starts, whereas Pickens just turned 25.

 

[LouBrown]

If Flournoy is capable of being the #2, how does that create a hole? And if they tag and trade Pickens, wouldn’t that be additional resources?

If flournoy is capable then you are paying him lol.

Pickens isn't going to bring a big return, especially if Dallas is saying he isn't worth it.

 

[Typhus]

No. It’s just my own theory/opinion.


Perfectly understandable. As I said, it’s only my opinion.

But I can’t think of another reason why Pickens and his agent would so quickly and easily agree and sign the franchise tag.

G wants to be here and it's going to be special

 

[DarkVader33]

If flournoy is capable then you are paying him lol.

Pickens isn't going to bring a big return, especially if Dallas is saying he isn't worth it.

The decision on Pickens won’t come until after the season and we see how he does. When did Dallas say he won’t be worth it next year? He may not be right now because the cowboys and the league may want one more year to make sure he’s matured. And if he plays great with no issues, you can’t say his worth goes down.

 

[Ironicalicon]

Pickens is essentially a rental for a third-round pick. I think this was made clear to him before signing the tag. The reason he's being cool right now and not holding out is that he understands and accepts the business side of things,. He seems content for the opportunity to show what he can do with a legit QB and offense and wants to let other teams know he can be a team player and that it's safe to sign him to a long-term deal.

 

[Kwyn]

All I know is that this offense has the ability to be dynamic this season.
Dak has no excuses.

they were dynamic last season

The “excuse”, if you want one, is that the defense was horrific

If it’s horrific again, that’s the same “excuse”

 

[diamonddelts]

If Flournoy is good enough to justify walking away from Pickens, Flournoy isn't going to be cheap. He's also a lot older than Pickens.

Giving Pickens a 4-year deal that now takes him to age 29 is a lot better than giving Flournoy a 4-year deal starting in 2028 that takes him to 32

Not extending Pickens now remains the absolute worst strategy.

THIS

 

[Starforever]

I don’t think that this will be a consideration. Flo still has to worry about other recruits on the team. New talent may be a threat to the #3 position. Turpin, has his spot on ST, so Flo may need to concentrate on someone else showing up in training camp.

 

[GORICO]

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

i hope no matter what---keep GP...just my lowly two cents

THIS

total agreement

Great post sir!

I just don't want the Cowboys to settle for a 3rd rounder for him.

big dog--- i sincerely hope we keep GP...give him extended contract after season or middle of season...GP with CeeDee along with FLO and some other talented receivers...especially we throw out of backfield....no defense to stop our passing game...which of course sets up even better running game...and if we can procure a middling defense = a force to be reckoned with

awww Stash---- GP with CeeDee and other talented receivers and developing passing out of backfield no defense can stop us??????
and if we can land a middling defense we will be a force to be reckoned with???

Against the cap. He's currently at $27m. He probably wouldn't hit that number until the the third year, depending on how they structure it.

But Flournoy is only under contract in 2027. So you'd immediately end up either paying or replacing him too.

Effectively, you'd be losing Pickens for one year of cap relief.

to me that logic not worth it...just my lowly 2 cents

As I said last year .. If had to choose one of them, Lamb or Pickens, on a game winning drive, I would choose Lamb. If I had to choose one to play the entire game, I would choose Pickens.

I think that's why it makes it feel better when both are on the field. It's not two Lambs or two Pickens. They are different receivers and it seems like their strengths and weaknesses are offset by each other.

That said, it is just not smart to pay huge contracts to two receivers so I don't see the Cowboys doing that next year.

A one-year discounted franchise tag contract is one thing, but next year the franchise tag for Pickens will increase by several million so that will make it less beneficial to keep him on the tag even if he would play on it, and as I said all offseason, I don't think he will in 2027 nor should he.

The Cowboys will be fine with the picks they get from franchise tagging him before trading him. Pickens will get his contract with another team. Boths sides will be happy and fine moving on.

It should be fun to watch 2026 though with both Lamb and Pickens on the field and the new hopefully improved and exciting defense the Cowboys introduce this year.

would you consider placing round 1 tag on Pickens?....i just think we would be settling for less with a 2 or 3?

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

truth be told Flo will never be a GP

Trust me. No one asked.

a bro slap

 

[fivetwos]

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

Good thread Coogs. Just saw this so I’m late to the party. Six pages virtually guarantees me to add nothing new or worthwhile lol, although not as if that’ll stop me.

If Flournoy has some sort of “great” season numbers-wise, it’ll almost definitely mean that either Lamb or Pickens misses significant time. If that’s Lamb, Pickens’ numbers are likely to be very good, so he is probably gone also. Things can go a few ways. The only scenario I’d rule out is cutting Lamb and signing Pickens long term. Remember they can probably get a starting WR in the first next year.

 

[Jarv]

If Flournoy is good enough to justify walking away from Pickens, Flournoy isn't going to be cheap. He's also a lot older than Pickens.

Giving Pickens a 4-year deal that now takes him to age 29 is a lot better than giving Flournoy a 4-year deal starting in 2028 that takes him to 32

Not extending Pickens now remains the absolute worst strategy.

Thanks, had no idea that Flournoy was older than Pickens.

 

[TwentyOne]

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

I honestly doubt that Flo is able to be a #2 WR. To me he is not even a #3. Not in todays NFL and the demamds towards the first 3 WRs on the field.

I do think Pickens will be gone after the season. He will have another good year with us and so his contract demand wont come down. We wont sign him longterm and we wont be willing to tag him a sec time.

But we do need another very good #2 next to CD. So to me all that points to us drafting one very high next year.

 

[speedkilz88]

People seem to view Fluornoy like he was a rookie and has an unlimited ceiling and can be coached up to at least WR2 level.

Reality is that due to his age, he gets one shot at a big contract and it will likely be his only chance to cash in because he’ll be clearly on the wrong side of 30 when it’s done.

Age for first NFL game
Fluornoy: 24 years, 345 days!
Pickens: 21 years, 167 days!

I'm not sure he's going to turn in to a pumpkin when he turns 30. Wear and tear (injuries) has more to do with how long their effectiveness lasts. Now saying that, Flournoy is several months older than Pickens seems like a fairer way to make your case.

 

[Jarv]

Tag GP next year and then be willing to take less than 2 #1's for him. A 1st and 3rd would be great.

Use that draft capital to go out and get the best WR you can get in the 1st and keep him for 5 years.

 

[LouBrown]

Do we know for sure that’s what the cowboys promised? And even if true, does that preclude them from a tag and trade? It’s hard for me to believe the cowboys would agree to walk away with nothing except at most a 3rd round comp pick.

The Cowboys didn't even make a contract offer so it's almost impossible that they promised that lol

 

[Chasing6]

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

Why would not have a good year? He will constantly have single coverage and 3rd CB on him.

That does not make him a great WR.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Good thread Coogs. Just saw this so I’m late to the party. Six pages virtually guarantees me to add nothing new or worthwhile lol, although not as if that’ll stop me.

If Flournoy has some sort of “great” season numbers-wise, it’ll almost definitely mean that either Lamb or Pickens misses significant time. If that’s Lamb, Pickens’ numbers are likely to be very good, so he is probably gone also. Things can go a few ways. The only scenario I’d rule out is cutting Lamb and signing Pickens long term. Remember they can probably get a starting WR in the first next year.

Lamb is that due to his contract numbers, would it be easy to get rid of him and save money after this season (not saying I want this to happen) to me he's the one that stays, Pickens has the value I think


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