If Flournoy has a dynamic season, does it affect Pickens being here long term?

[ratkinson]

Did they put it into the contract? If not, why not? If the Cowboys tagged him after another big year, that would be 60 million over 2 season.... a BARGAIN. So why wouldnt they do it? But, who cares. We all know Pickens is trouble, and now that he has 27 million in th ebank, he will blow up and return to his trouble making ways.

He may even get arrested for domestic abuse. He clearly seems like that type. Then he will be in a cell net to Ruggs and the Cowboys decision have been made for them.

Dude...

 

[big dog cowboy]

I’m starting to stump for tight end in the first round next year but I’m pretty much alone on that

As sure as water is still wet and the sun rising in the east tomorrow.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Flournoy is not in the same universe as Pickens is. They are not close at all.

Comparing apples and oranges.

2024: 6th round, 216th overall pick
2022: 2nd round, 52nd overall pick

Given that information which would one you expect to be better right now and which do think should be ready to go if he is going too?

 

[LouBrown]

I want to keep Pickens long term, but this post isn’t a good take.

Fluornoy is literally less than a year and a half older than Pickens, which you clearly knew, because you’ve laid out their contract year ages above. So it’s just disingenuous to call him ‘a lot older’.

More to the point, why would we be looking to extend Fluornoy in 2028? This team is generally regarded as being in a SB window until that season (the last of Dak’s contract before the get out clause).

If we haven’t won a championship by then, we should rip it up and start again anyway.

Disingenuous to clarify the point. Lol cool take.

If your plan is to tear it down in 2028 then there's really no point in joining the conversation.

 

[gtb1943]

Flournoy can never be the threat Pickens is
so comparing them is dumb

Now could he be a decent #2?
possibly

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Something to think about if Flo has an amazing year, building off some of the good he did this previous season. Does this affect Pickens long term, and Flo can end up being our #2? I know it's early and I'm not trying to crown Flo or down Pickens, it's just a thought! Please give your input

I would say Flournoy's performance, or any other WRs/TEs, affects GPs outlook on the team,,,, heck, everybody's performance affects GP because there will be position(s) of need next offseason,,, and positions of surplus. Could be that money is better spent on an offensive tackle,,, or ILB,,,, or a corner... or one of each for that kinda money.

 

[fivetwos]

He'd be 29 when an extension starts, whereas Pickens just turned 25.

Great point. I didn’t realize that.

I did know that Pickens is on the younger side for having as much service time as he has, which is why he can deal with the tag and still get paid…..probably even more than he would get now.

It is worth literally tens of millions to him to behave right now…..which is part of why I don’t trust him to do so after getting the big grab. I’d honestly probably rather just invest a first in a WR next season and let him walk. Not that I don’t like him, I do, but as we have been told…the cap is real.

 

[LouBrown]

I would say Flournoy's performance, or any other WRs/TEs, affects GPs outlook on the team,,,, heck, everybody's performance affects GP because there will be position(s) of need next offseason,,, and positions of surplus. Could be that money is better spent on an offensive tackle,,, or ILB,,,, or a corner... or one of each for that kinda money.

This makes sense if they don't have cap space. They do.

 

[ScotsCowboy]

Disingenuous to clarify the point. Lol cool take.

If your plan is to tear it down in 2028 then there's really no point in joining the conversation.

You clarified nothing: I clarified that you were lying about him being ‘a lot older’. He’s just over 16 months older.

Can’t remember why on earth I unignored you. Back in the box you go, ignoramous.

 

[Mikemcm]

If anything it should make them want to keep Pickens even more because Pickens helps take the pressure off Flo.

 

[JoeKing]

Then the question itself was a bad one from the outset.

Jsut using the word dynamic evokes an expectation of elite gameplay.

Fluornoy has never shown the capability to perform at that level.

So, in a question that seems to propose Fluornoy as a Pickens replacement, it does justify a direct comparison,

Yes but not the Flo we know now. It would be GP vs Flo with an elite season under his belt.

 

[Kwyn]

Yes but not the Flo we know now. It would be GP vs Flo with an elite season under his belt.

Is the magical unicorn Flo in the room with us now?

 

[zrinkill]

That is not how this front office does business ....... they got rid of TO with no plan, they got rid of Dez with no plan.

They never replace guys because someone is playing better than them ....... Its all about money.

 

[Kwyn]

You clarified nothing: I clarified that you were lying about him being ‘a lot older’. He’s just over 16 months older.

Can’t remember why on earth I unignored you. Back in the box you go, ignoramous.

The argument that is being made about the age discrepancy late in this thread has lost the original nuanced explanation given earlier in the thread.

The point was that Fluornoy is older, with much less experience and negligible accomplishment.

He had a long, meandering college career including zero offers for a D1 school, a juco season, a year lost to Covid and a torn ACL.

After 2027, assuming he plays well, he gets his first post-rookie contract deal. It will extend all the way until he’s 32

GP, had Jerry handled this appropriately, would be be starting his first post-rookie contract now and would be finished at age 29

So, the Cowboys, in a best case scenario, end up paying big money to an inferior player, already into his post prime years and Pickens loses a year, and more likely two years, of his prime.

 

[Kwyn]

As sure as water is still wet and the sun rising in the east tomorrow.

You will all rue the day!

When our skill positions are CeeDee, Fluornoy, WR3 jag and a declining (or declined) Ferg/Williams comb, you will all rue the day!

 

[LouBrown]

You clarified nothing: I clarified that you were lying about him being ‘a lot older’. He’s just over 16 months older.

Can’t remember why on earth I unignored you. Back in the box you go, ignoramous.

That is a lot older for a player early in their career, but I don't care about the opinion on that. The reason is matters is contract age.

I'm right, sorry you don't get it.

 

[blueblood70]

Really technically another Pickens thread posted by none other than you know who Look I don't think the Cowboys ever intended to sign him long term unless they found a way to get rid of CD lamb which I doubt they're not and never were going to have both of them on the books for a top five market money at the same time..

I could be wrong but that's how I see it they get in for two years at a very good cost while they're developing other players and then they turn their 3rd round investment with two years of productivity into probably a first round pick and more that they can go draft another wide receiver and yes Flo is on the come up therefore it's nothing to do with FLO, but that helps.


Again not sure why we have to keep talking about this Pickens is a non story right now and it doesn't matter what happens in 2027 all that matters is he plays all 17 games at a high level for the Dallas Cowboys as a fan that's all we should worry about he will be a Dallas Cowboys for two years in a row and that is what fans want to watch is football talking about contracts and whether they're going to be gone or not For me,

it's just eating air. MEH

 

[blueblood70]

Yes but not the Flo we know now. It would be GP vs Flo with an elite season under his belt.

I have the guy blocked you're talking to but I'm gonna give my opinion has nothing to do with George Pickens he's gonna cost too much they never intended on signing him long term unless somehow they moved Lamb which I doubt it's just not fiscally responsible to eat that kind of money for the same position therefore they get the guy for two seasons for a 3rd round pick two very productive seasons and then probably get a first rounder and more for him when they trade him and then you have a guy like Flo on the come up but you're also gonna use the draft capital that you got back for Pickens and draft an other wide receiver

But the short answer is they have an elite wide receiver already that's what you need a number one and you can fill in the rest of the roster with capable receivers just like New England and Seattle did last year they didn't have a bunch of expensive top five market money guys at #2 and #3 at wide receiver you work around it because they have lamb they can afford to do this that's why this is not 2018 this is not where they went into the season with just a group of guys wide receiver by committee with no clear number one they have a clear number one here no matter what happens which is more than Kansas City did when they got rid of Tyreek Hill..

Other teams have gotten rid of their number one and didn't have something behind them but AJ Brown's gone off the Eagles nobody's sweating it over there maybe they're covering up their feelings but the way it sits we have our guy and that's what you need the rest of it will fill in just fine...

You need is a strong run game a great offensive line you need one clear number one wide receiver in a good quarterback or better we have all those things so I'm not sweating whether George Pickens is staying here or not it doesn't matter to me, They will be fine..

 

[Whyjerry]

Comparing apples and oranges.

2024: 6th round, 216th overall pick
2022: 2nd round, 52nd overall pick

Given that information which would one you expect to be better right now and which do think should be ready to go if he is going too?

My point, which seems to have escaped you, is that if a new star WR is needed that person is not on this roster. RF is a 3/4 at best.

 

[fivetwos]

Really technically another Pickens thread posted by none other than you know who Look I don't think the Cowboys ever intended to sign him long term unless they found a way to get rid of CD lamb which I doubt they're not and never were going to have both of them on the books for a top five market money at the same time..

I could be wrong but that's how I see it they get in for two years at a very good cost while they're developing other players and then they turn their 3rd round investment with two years of productivity into probably a first round pick and more that they can go draft another wide receiver and yes Flo is on the come up therefore it's nothing to do with FLO, but that helps.


Again not sure why we have to keep talking about this Pickens is a non story right now and it doesn't matter what happens in 2027 all that matters is he plays all 17 games at a high level for the Dallas Cowboys as a fan that's all we should worry about he will be a Dallas Cowboys for two years in a row and that is what fans want to watch is football talking about contracts and whether they're going to be gone or not For me,

it's just eating air. MEH

You answered your own question with the final sentence.