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We need to trade up and draft Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt. Anyone know much about this guy? I hear he is awesome and pretty much carried the dreadful Vanderbilt team. He seems to have all the tools and some scouts are saying he might be better than Vincy Young and Leinert as well. If Henson shows no signs of life in Europe we need to draft Bledsoe's replacement now!! Especially if we can move up to 14-15 and still get him before the Dolphins do.
 

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Why trade up? He's been playing like Doodoo at the Senior Bowl. He might just find his way back to the 2nd round. He will definetely be there at 18, but I really don't want him.
 

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stiletto said:
We need to trade up and draft Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt. Anyone know much about this guy? I hear he is awesome and pretty much carried the dreadful Vanderbilt team. He seems to have all the tools and some scouts are saying he might be better than Vincy Young and Leinert as well. If Henson shows no signs of life in Europe we need to draft Bledsoe's replacement now!! Especially if we can move up to 14-15 and still get him before the Dolphins do.

Height: 6-4 | Weight: 225 | 40-Time: 4.80
Strengths:
Has a very strong arm...Good size...Pretty good athlete who can move a little...Sports a quick delivery with good accuracy...Patient player who will go through his progressions...Tough guy who will hang in the pocket and take a hit...Throws well on the move...Strong and durable with a lot of experience...A leader with top intangibles and is a gamer who comes up big in the clutch.

Weaknesses:
Mechanics get pretty dodgy at times...Footwork is very eratic...Will take unnecessary risks and make some bad decisions...Gunslinging mentality can morph into recklessness...Has too much confidence in his arm at times...Struggles throwing the deep ball...Has not had a lot of success at the college level from a team perspective...Body has taken a lot of punishment throughout his career.

Notes:
Never received a lot of national attention but was named preseason All-SEC...Has the physical tools and makeup to succeed at the next level...With the lack of top signal callers available don't be surprised if Cutler goes off the board early.
 

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neosapien23 said:
Why trade up? He's been playing like Doodoo at the Senior Bowl. He might just find his way back to the 2nd round. He will definetely be there at 18, but I really don't want him.

No way brother...There is nothing but praise for Cutler in the Senior Bowl news articles today...do a search on Google News for "Cutler Senior Bowl".

Chris Mortensen article:

Updated: Jan. 26, 2006, 4:05 PM ET
Cutler looks like top QB in draft

By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job.

However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April.

I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work.

"It's not even worth trying to downgrade the kid ... hoping he slides," one top personnel director said. "The secret is out."

I have felt for almost a year now that Cutler is the best quarterback prospect, and nothing has changed my mind. If anything, he has even solidified his standing now that I've had the pleasure and benefit of personally seeing him play in the Southeastern Conference.



Lori Young/ESPN.com
Could Jay Cutler end up getting drafted before Vince Young and Matt Leinart?
Cutler was the All-SEC first-team quarterback selected by coaches and the media. He was the preseason pick, too. Heck, he was a first-team All-SEC choice as a redshirt freshman.

You know how difficult that is when you play at Vanderbilt in a conference with many of the nation's heavyweights?

A West Coast scout for one of the NFL's top personnel departments supported this notion in November after he did some cross-checking on the SEC quarterbacks.

"It can't be fun playing quarterback in the SEC," the scout said. "I mean, most of the teams are five and six deep at cornerback -- it's not even close when you compare it to the Pac-10. The speed on defense across the SEC is ridiculous. The defensive coordinators, well, some of them should be coaching in the NFL. Some of them have, in fact. Playing quarterback in the SEC is a task. Playing it well every week is a bigger task."

This scout (remember, a West Coast-assigned personnel man) marveled at Cutler's performance with inferior personnel around him.

"Unbelievably competitive with the physical skills to back it up," the scout said.

Cutler's similarities to Brett Favre are uncanny, except Cutler is far ahead of Favre in the mental aspects of the game at the same career stage. Cutler probably has the strongest arm in this draft. He has moxie. He has a swagger. As Favre did at Southern Mississippi, Cutler had Vandy winning games it had no business winning and competing in games in which the Commodores should have been blown out. As with Favre, his gunslinger mentality will get him in the doghouse with some NFL coach but the upside is way too high to let it bring him down. Oh, he never got his team to a bowl appearance? Neither did John Elway.

"Jay Cutler is special, like Elway and Favre," Bus Cook said.

Cook is supposed to say that. He is Cutler's agent. Oh, he also represents Favre and the Titans' Steve McNair, all three of them good ol' Mississippi men. Don't ask me how Cutler joined that club -- he hails from Santa Claus, Ind. It will be Christmas for any team that lands him.

The Titans, picking third in the draft, could be that team -- if Cutler gets past the New Orleans Saints at No. 2. Titans general manager Floyd Reese has noted that Cutler is a blend of Leinart and Young. He's a terrific pocket passer like Leinart but with much greater arm strength. He's athletic enough to make plays out of the pocket, although Young is certainly a better athlete, just without Cutler's arm strength.

Arm strength is not the only measure of a quarterback, as everyone knows. But it's probably more important in today's NFL than ever before. For instance, defensive coordinators are talking about how tough it is to defend the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger because he can throw it "outside the numbers" so well, meaning he has the arm to deliver the deep outs.

Leinart is clearly smart. Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow, his former USC mentor, talks glowingly of how "everything runs on time" when Leinart is behind center.

Yet, in today's NFL, the clock is running faster than ever once the ball is snapped. The idea that a quarterback has a chance to go through his first, second and third progressions while he drops back is basically a myth. The throwing windows are tighter than ever on about 75 percent of the passes a quarterback must deliver. The RPMs matter in a quarterback's throws. There are some doubts about the ability of Leinart and Young to throw it through those closing windows consistently.

Take Cutler's arm, his smarts, his moxie, his toughness and his athleticism, and you have a pretty good model quarterback. To downgrade him because you see a few errant balls during Senior Bowl week is silly because these guys are working in a strange offense with new receivers.

Put Cutler in USC's offense and Leinart in Vanderbilt's offense the past couple of years and imagine what would have happened.

True, Leinart and Young have much more notoriety and the draft projections have them as the stars of the draft, along with USC running back Reggie Bush. But that's where a lot of people in and out of the NFL go shallow.

Cutler was almost bypassed in college recruiting out of high school before choosing Vanderbilt. That wasn't his fault. Somebody missed. It happens a lot. As I've stated many times, the NFL spends millions of dollars on scouting and still gets it wrong more than 50 percent of the time on quarterbacks. So why would it surprise you that colleges would fare even worse?

One of the best players in Super Bowl XL is Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu, who should have been the hands-down selection for NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. You know how many Division I scholarship offers he had coming out of high school? None.

Yes, it's early to be talking about the draft. But it's Senior Bowl week, and I've almost never been more excited about the draft than I am about the one coming up in April. The complaint last year is that it was a weak top-10 class. This year, it's ridiculously strong. You have three quarterbacks in Cutler, Leinart and Young. You have a future Marshall Faulk type in Bush; his rushing mate LenDale White might be another Jamal Lewis. D'Brickashaw Ferguson could be a future Pro Bowl left tackle. North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams could be another Julius Peppers. Ohio State middle linebacker A.J. Hawk could be another Ray Lewis, and Maryland tight end Vernon Davis could be another Tony Gonzalez.

Yes, I know I'm leaving somebody out.

Don't be shocked if Cutler is the first quarterback taken in the draft. It's not a lock, but Leinart and Young could go behind him. Regardless, I'm not sure that's a negative on either one of those guys, anyway.

In Cutler, maybe we have another Favre or Elway. In Leinart, we might have another Steve Young (minus the athleticism). In Vince Young, he's not Michael Vick fast, but he is 6-5, he is competitive and he is an intriguing prospect.

I'd like to think that there's something for everybody, except there are always busts. I just know the one guy I'd buy stock in right now is Cutler.
 

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Parcells and Jerry are in win now mode. They will not draft a qb.

I think it is possiable they will but not in the 1st 2 round if at all in day 1 of the draft, a lot would depend on who may slip in the draft.
 

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Hey Stiletto

Scott Wright
President, NFL Draft Countdown

Today was the last big practice before scouts start leaving town so it might have been the final chance for prospects to really make a big impression. Of course going into the week a lot of the hype centered around Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler and from what I have seen he has been up and down. There have been flashes of brilliance with him and at times he looks like a future star, but he is very inconsistent. In fact, in a lot of ways he reminds me of Kyle Boller when he was coming out a few years ago. I definitely think Cutler is a first round pick, but in my mind I don't see him as a Top 10 "Can't Miss" guy by any means. Charlie Whitehurst struggled a bit and today was his worst performance of the week but he wasn't terrible and word is he is only at about 80% in terms of his health. Michael Robinson saw some action at wide receiver as planned and he looked good, displaying great speed and quickness. Wideout is definitely his calling and he could be a more polished version of Arnez Battle. At running back the group was relatively unimpressive as a whole but Terrence Whitehead of Oregon did have a nice run and Jerome Harrison of Washington St. was probably the best of the bunch as he was shifty and displayed good vision. Colorado fullback Lawrence Vickers was solid but missed an assignment that led to a sack (had they been able to hit the quarterbacks).

ESPN is extremely biased. Weren't they singing PacMans praises. Kiper pumped this guy up and Tennessee foolishly listened. Sometimes writers pump a guy up because they are friends with that player's agent. That is exactly what happened to Jones who was outplayed by both third and second round tackles.
 

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Hey Stiletto

Scott Wright
President, NFL Draft Countdown

Today was the last big practice before scouts start leaving town so it might have been the final chance for prospects to really make a big impression. Of course going into the week a lot of the hype centered around Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler and from what I have seen he has been up and down. There have been flashes of brilliance with him and at times he looks like a future star, but he is very inconsistent. In fact, in a lot of ways he reminds me of Kyle Boller when he was coming out a few years ago. I definitely think Cutler is a first round pick, but in my mind I don't see him as a Top 10 "Can't Miss" guy by any means. Charlie Whitehurst struggled a bit and today was his worst performance of the week but he wasn't terrible and word is he is only at about 80% in terms of his health. Michael Robinson saw some action at wide receiver as planned and he looked good, displaying great speed and quickness. Wideout is definitely his calling and he could be a more polished version of Arnez Battle. At running back the group was relatively unimpressive as a whole but Terrence Whitehead of Oregon did have a nice run and Jerome Harrison of Washington St. was probably the best of the bunch as he was shifty and displayed good vision. Colorado fullback Lawrence Vickers was solid but missed an assignment that led to a sack (had they been able to hit the quarterbacks).

ESPN is extremely biased. Weren't they singing PacMans praises. Kiper pumped this guy up and Tennessee foolishly listened. Sometimes writers pump a guy up because they are friends with that player's agent. That is exactly what happened to Jones who was outplayed by both third and second round tackles.

I guess we'll see Saturday. Keep an eye on him. More good than bad being said about him, that's for sure.
 

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stiletto said:
I guess we'll see Saturday. Keep an eye on him. More good than bad being said about him, that's for sure.

Don't get me wrong he is good. I wouldn't mind taking him at 18 if we didn't need a linebacker so badly. I don't think Cutler is a top 10 canidate, but he is definetely worth a 15-20 pick. Writers will pump this guy and his stock might rise a little to high.
 

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The biggest problem with Dallas is we don't have enough unproven backups behind Bledsoe. We simply must do whatever it takes to add another.
 

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I live in TN and I have seen Cutler play alot, and he has never struck me as a top ten pick. He has the talent, but it is unrefined. I would take him at 18 if we were better at QB development. I think mid 1st round is about right for him. He has great talent but he has never even been to a bowl game. Who knows how he will react when big time pressure (from fans and media not from de's) is put on him. He can do know wrong here. He is by far the best player Vandy has had, maybe ever. Pressure has never been an issue. How is he going to react when he receives criticism because his development is slow. I think it will be slow because he has so much technical work to do. Kyle Boller is a pretty good comparison, and look how long it has taken him. Miami at 18, and he learns from Jason Garrett, that's my prediction. If that happens, I will envy Miami's situation even more.
 

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rw54 said:
I live in TN and I have seen Cutler play alot, and he has never struck me as a top ten pick. He has the talent, but it is unrefined. I would take him at 18 if we were better at QB development. I think mid 1st round is about right for him. He has great talent but he has never even been to a bowl game. Who knows how he will react when big time pressure (from fans and media not from de's) is put on him. He can do know wrong here. He is by far the best player Vandy has had, maybe ever. Pressure has never been an issue. How is he going to react when he receives criticism because his development is slow. I think it will be slow because he has so much technical work to do. Kyle Boller is a pretty good comparison, and look how long it has taken him. Miami at 18, and he learns from Jason Garrett, that's my prediction. If that happens, I will envy Miami's situation even more.


I agree with what people are saying about our lack of back-ups with experience. Cutler however has played A LOT of football from what I can tell and he pretty much carried Vandy to wins by himself. They had a dreadful team from what I hear and he won games they had absolutely no business winning almost solely because of his play. I like that ability especially in the tough SEC conference. Now how it will translate into the NFL...who knows but from what I can gather he certainly has all the tools that Leinert has minus the talented players around him thus no Bowl appearances, etc. If Henson tanks I will be truly sad because as it stands we will not really have a future at that position because I'm not going to bet my chips on Romo being THE guy.
 

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Maybe Peyton will trade down, pickup some extra picks, and take Cutler.

Can't say that I see Dallas trading up to get him.

Either way, I believe he won't last til 18.
 

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stiletto said:
We need to trade up and draft Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt. Anyone know much about this guy? I hear he is awesome and pretty much carried the dreadful Vanderbilt team. He seems to have all the tools and some scouts are saying he might be better than Vincy Young and Leinert as well. If Henson shows no signs of life in Europe we need to draft Bledsoe's replacement now!! Especially if we can move up to 14-15 and still get him before the Dolphins do.

as an SEC guy I've seen Cutler play quite a bit, he has talent but is far from a sure thing and has alot of similarities with guys who look like huge busts in Baltimore and Buffalo (that'd be Boller and Losman)

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It will be all our war between the Henson backers and the Henson haters.

The good thing is we get to see Henson play in NFLE for at least a month prior to the draft. Hopefully we will have a decent read on his future by then.
 
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