If Jay Moves To Defense End...

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

How many sacks will he get next year? I'm gonna say 10, he got 7.5 a couple of years ago when he was obviously playing out of position.

 

[Future]

Doesn't matter b/c he'll still be a DT when the Cowboys go nickel...which is almost half the time I think. But more importantly, it's a lot of the time when other teams are going to pass. He will get his sacks if we get another DT to play alongside him in the nickel or Spencer steps up.

 

[rash]

Doesn't matter b/c he'll still be a DT when the Cowboys go nickel...which is almost half the time I think. But more importantly, it's a lot of the time when other teams are going to pass. He will get his sacks if we get another DT to play alongside him in the nickel or Spencer steps up.

You're absolutely right.

I'm curious to see how Rob plays his nickel defenses. I didn't get a chance to watch him much at Cleveland or Oakland.

 

[Hostile]

When will people learn that DEs in a 3-4 do not get sacks? If there has ever been a 3-4 DE who got 10 sacks I would be amazed. I'm talking in the History of the NFL. I would appreciate the education if someone can show me.

NT is far more productive for sack stats.

 

[laythewood28]

zero. He'd get pulled for not doing his assignment. He's a NT.

 

[Future]

When will people learn that DEs in a 3-4 do not get sacks? If there has ever been a 3-4 DE who got 10 sacks I would be amazed. I'm talking in the History of the NFL. I would appreciate the education if someone can show me.

NT is far more productive for sack stats.

Didn't Bruce Smith get a lot of them?

I assume he got the majority of them in nickel/passing situations where he'd be on the edge, but Buffalo played a lot of 3-4 didn't they?

 

[theogt]

3 to 5. He can still get doubled teamed and he'll be going against better pass-blockers, so moving him outside won't help all that much in terms of sack numbers.

 

[Stautner]

Didn't Bruce Smith get a lot of them?

I assume he got the majority of them in nickel/passing situations where he'd be on the edge, but Buffalo played a lot of 3-4 didn't they?

They played 4-3.

 

[rash]

I expect Jay money Ratliff to play a little bit of DE. If he mirrors his twin's scheme, he will do with ratliff what rex did with Haloti

 

[speedkilz88]

They played 4-3.

Wade Phillips was their coach for a long time of Smith's career.

 

[Hostile]

Didn't Bruce Smith get a lot of them?

I assume he got the majority of them in nickel/passing situations where he'd be on the edge, but Buffalo played a lot of 3-4 didn't they?

Okay, I just learned something. Thank you.

1992, Buffalo played a 3-4 and he got 14 sacks as a DE.

Now, having said that, Jay Ratliff is nowhere near the ability of Bruce Smith in 1992. 10 sacks is a pipe dream.

 

[speedkilz88]

Marcellus Wiley also had 10.5 sks (in 2000) under Wade.

 

[rash]

Okay, I just learned something. Thank you.

1992, Buffalo played a 3-4 and he got 14 sacks as a DE.

Now, having said that, Jay Ratliff is nowhere near the ability of Bruce Smith in 1992. 10 sacks is a pipe dream.

Well maybe the Bills played more of an unbalanced 34 scheme. The 34 "over" DE on the weakside actually does a lot of passrushing similar to a 43 DE.

 

[Future]

Okay, I just learned something. Thank you.

1992, Buffalo played a 3-4 and he got 14 sacks as a DE.

Now, having said that, Jay Ratliff is nowhere near the ability of Bruce Smith in 1992. 10 sacks is a pipe dream.

Agree. I don't think it will happen for the Cowboys, or anybody for that matter...just pointing it out.

Well maybe the Bills played more of an unbalanced 34 scheme. The 34 "over" DE on the weakside actually does a lot of passrushing similar to a 43 DE.

They did, just asked my Bills fan friend.

 

[Flinger]

When will people learn that DEs in a 3-4 do not get sacks? If there has ever been a 3-4 DE who got 10 sacks I would be amazed. I'm talking in the History of the NFL. I would appreciate the education if someone can show me.

NT is far more productive for sack stats.

Let's see, with Ryan as our DC in his 'aggressive' 3-4... the following will be the expectation of many on this board:

RDE (of course, this is Ratliff b/c, obviously he's playing out of position) - 10 Sacks
NT (TBD, obviously whoever we draft will be a 1st rounder and will immediately step in) - 12 Sacks
LDE (of course, this is Spears b/c, obviously he's been mostly a run stopper under the old regime and he will have a new contract under Ryan and he will be re-directed to forget the run and concentrate on sacks) - 10 Sacks

OLB (of course, this is Ware b/c, obviously they were bias when he wasn't named an All-Pro and he's finally going to get angry, especially with Ryan stoking the fire in his belly) - 25 Sacks
ILB (of course, this is James b/c, obviously he is under performing as evidenced by never being invited to the Pro-Bowl and Ryan will tap into his primal, inner man) - 10 sacks
IBL (of course, this is Lee b/c, obviously Brooking is done and he will be yelling at Lee from the sidelines and stirring Lee into a frenzie - freeing Ryan up to focus on Ware, Spencer and James) - 11 sacks (Lee's obviously better than James - he's younger)
OLB (of course, this is Spencer b/c, obviously Spencer is hunting for a contract extension and really hasn't meant it, yet, so Ryan will coach him to just forget the strong side run and go for the sack glory) - 20 sacks

Let's see - that will be 98 sacks by the front 7. Throw 2 more in from corner or safety blitzes.... oh, that Ryan guy is such trickster...

Any thing less from any of the front seven players... They will be traded or cut from the team, regardless of their cap hit. Or, Ryan will be fired after 1 year and they will bring Wade back.


BTW - in 2013, the D will concentrate on stopping the run...

 

[TheCoolFan]

I say 6. But that 6 goes a long way. Every successful 3-4 defense needs its DEs to get 3+ sacks each season. Look at the Pats during their SB years with Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green; the Steelers with Aaron Smith (5.5 sacks in 2008), and most recently, the Packers with Cullen Jenkins

Chris Canty was the last DE who was a threat as a pass rusher

 

[The Realist]

When will people learn that DEs in a 3-4 do not get sacks? If there has ever been a 3-4 DE who got 10 sacks I would be amazed. I'm talking in the History of the NFL. I would appreciate the education if someone can show me.

NT is far more productive for sack stats.

True 3-4 DE's never consistently get sacks.

Bruce Smith did.

Patrick Kerney did and ATL also had another DE get 10+ across from Kerney.

If we're honest we know those guys are really 4-3 DE's who kept on doing what they were doing in a 4-3.

 

[gimmesix]

I expect Jay money Ratliff to play a little bit of DE. If he mirrors his twin's scheme, he will do with ratliff what rex did with Haloti

I think this is on the nose. Ryan will move Ratliff around more to take advantage of matchups and keep the offense guessing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When will people learn that DEs in a 3-4 do not get sacks? If there has ever been a 3-4 DE who got 10 sacks I would be amazed. I'm talking in the History of the NFL. I would appreciate the education if someone can show me.

NT is far more productive for sack stats.

Bruce Smith played DE in the Bills D for Phillips. Luis Castillo did for the Chargers.

Those are just off the top of my head.

You can make a similar statement about DT in general not getting sacks. i think the better question is do 3-4 DT or DE get more sacks.

 

[T-RO]

Under Ryan you are going to see a broader distribution of sacks among the players. Don't get hung up on the sack totals of any single player.

Heck, don't be surprised to see Ryan have Ratliff dropping into coverage on some plays. Ryan will move players around. You might see Ware beside or behind Ratliff on a play...or see Rat out wide...or stood up.

I am eager to watch this defense, esp. if we can fill a few holes.