If Johnson were traded or released after June 1, the Bengals could spread the salary

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guys, i am reading something off of cincinnati press, and they say right now, the bengals cant take the cap hit, but after june 1st, they could spread it out into the 2009 cap;
If Johnson were traded or released after June 1, the Bengals could spread the salary cap hit into the 2009 cap year.

so, my question is this, what about the cowboys trading their 2009 number one draft choice, we have to wait till after june 1st for the trade, and to add to that, we get to keep our 2 number one picks this year, and help improve the cowboys squad, along with hopefully getting chad johnson with a 2009 number one pick, and getting pacman jones by draft time, that should put us over the top to excel;
 

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Let's not...let's try to get a younger WR if we decide to trade one of our 1st round picks (whether that be a 08 or 09 1st round pick).
 

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I could see this happening CJ if we do not make a trade for a veteran on Draft day.

The negative is his age.
 

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cowboyjoe;2038990 said:
guys, i am reading something off of cincinnati press, and they say right now, the bengals cant take the cap hit, but after june 1st, they could spread it out into the 2009 cap;
If Johnson were traded or released after June 1, the Bengals could spread the salary cap hit into the 2009 cap year.

I think they can cut him now, and declare him a post June 1st cut.
 

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BENGALS STILL NOT WAVERING ON JOHNSON
Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2008, 11:03 a.m.
Even as Bengals receiver Chad Johnson continues to increase the rhetoric regarding his desire to be traded to a new team, and his intention not to report for mandatory offseason training camps and/or training camp, we continue to hear that the team will not trade him.

Of course, that doesn’t stop another team from making them an offer. But we’re also hearing that no one is interested in acquiring Johnson.

Why would they be? With each word that rambles out of his mouth in his effort to be traded, he makes himself less desirable to any other team. He has become a cartoon character who also happens to play football, and we can’t imagine any team coughing up draft picks and/or players in order get him.

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CLARIFYING THE JOHNSON CAP HIT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2008, 7:07 a.m.

Whenever the possibility of trading Chad Johnson comes up, Mark Curnutte of the Cincinnati Enquirer crows about the supposedly crippling cap hit that the Bengals would take if they were to trade or release Johnson.

Again on Wednesday, Curnutte asserts that “the club can simply not afford to trade the wide receiver or terminate his contract.”

Curnutte continues to point to an $8 million cap hit that the Bengals would take. But Curnutte also continues to minimize and/or overlook a couple of key facts.

First, the June 1 rule permits the cap charge to be spread over two seasons. If Johnson is traded or released after June 1, the dead money in 2008 will be considerably smaller, apparently in the neighborhood of $3 million. He also can be cut now, with the move designated as a post-June 1 transaction.

Second, since the Bengals would avoid Johnson’s $3 million base salary for 2008 (and his $250,000 workout bonus, which they’ve presumably already been relieved from paying due to his failure to report for voluntary offseason workouts), it’s a wash in 2008 dollars.

Third, any cap hit in 2009 would be offset by $4.75 million in salary and workout bonus that the Bengals wouldn’t have to pay to Johnson next year.

Third, Curnutte makes his claims without setting forth any facts regarding the team’s projected cap situation in 2009, when the maximum per-team spending limit is virtually certain to increase by another $7 million or more, exceeding $120 million for the first time. So what’s $5 million or so in dead money, especially when $4.75 million or so in new money wouldn’t be paid to a guy with a stick in his butt?

Remember this — we’re talking about the Bengals. Mike Brown is one of those owners who would be happy to operate without a salary cap because there likewise would be no salary floor. Cutting or trading Johnson means in essence that the Bengals get extra credit toward the salary floor without spending any more money.

Our guess in this regard is that the Bengals are privately using the cap hit to help sell their decision to the fan base to dig in their heels and not trade Johnson, even if at some point it’s in the team’s best short-term and long-term interests to do so.

Sooner or later, the fans are going to demand that something be done; we think the Bengals are trying to head that off by floating a specious argument based on financial realities that in reality inure to the benefit of the chronically frugal franchise.
 

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That was an interesting spin on the cap situation for the Bengals.
 

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Hostile;2039018 said:
That was an interesting spin on the cap situation for the Bengals.
I thought so, too. I was just waiting for another Chad Johnson thread to post it in. :D
 

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WG, thanks for the article with Bengals cap info. Interesting stuff.
 

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elcocinero;2038996 said:
I really dont want to give up a # 1 for this guy, i would consider it for a #2.

CJ is a first round talent, I can't say if he would work out if he did come to Dallas, but if you're not willing to spend a #1 on a guy like this, who would you be willing to trade a #1 for??
 

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cowboyjoe;2038990 said:
guys, i am reading something off of cincinnati press, and they say right now, the bengals cant take the cap hit, but after june 1st, they could spread it out into the 2009 cap;
If Johnson were traded or released after June 1, the Bengals could spread the salary cap hit into the 2009 cap year.

so, my question is this, what about the cowboys trading their 2009 number one draft choice, we have to wait till after june 1st for the trade, and to add to that, we get to keep our 2 number one picks this year, and help improve the cowboys squad, along with hopefully getting chad johnson with a 2009 number one pick, and getting pacman jones by draft time, that should put us over the top to excel;

Because I think Dallas will have a very good season this year I would be willing to trade our 1st rd (32 pick overall)of the 2009 draft for Chad Johnson.
 

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WoodysGirl;2039031 said:
I thought so, too. I was just waiting for another Chad Johnson thread to post it in. :D
You knew there had to be one.
 

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Hostile;2039018 said:
That was an interesting spin on the cap situation for the Bengals.

Maybe the bengals brass doesnt know this. It wouldnt suprise me with how they run the team.
 

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elcocinero;2038996 said:
I really dont want to give up a # 1 for this guy, i would consider it for a #2.

Someone will give them a #1. I cant see any situation that someone gets him for less than a #1.
 

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WoodysGirl;2039013 said:
BENGALS STILL NOT WAVERING ON JOHNSON
Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2008, 11:03 a.m.
Even as Bengals receiver Chad Johnson continues to increase the rhetoric regarding his desire to be traded to a new team, and his intention not to report for mandatory offseason training camps and/or training camp, we continue to hear that the team will not trade him.

Of course, that doesn’t stop another team from making them an offer. But we’re also hearing that no one is interested in acquiring Johnson.

Why would they be? With each word that rambles out of his mouth in his effort to be traded, he makes himself less desirable to any other team. He has become a cartoon character who also happens to play football, and we can’t imagine any team coughing up draft picks and/or players in order get him.
Some one email that to Chad and tell him to close his pie hole.
 

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rbr651;2039055 said:
CJ is a first round talent, I can't say if he would work out if he did come to Dallas, but if you're not willing to spend a #1 on a guy like this, who would you be willing to trade a #1 for??

Then let somebody else have him. I would give up a first for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin, but not an over 30's headcase.
 

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Carp is from Ohio.........


:horse: I know, I know but I'm wondering if they would consider Carp and maybe a 3rd in 09.

They need an OLB pretty desperatly. They also need a CB and DT. This would allow them to take a guy like Ellis with there 1st pick, a decent CB with there second and get a player who would fit there scheme (43 OLB), can play right away and is young and talented.

I know it's a popular thing to for many to say that Carpenter doesn't have it but I don't believe that. I think he would be a great fit for a 43 team. His talent has not just disappeared and he was a very good player for Ohio State. Plus, he would be a solid image guy who does not have attitude problems. Could make a lot of sense.
 

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People keep on talking about his age and i really do not see why. Contracts are signed for 4 or five years and there is nothing to indicate that he is slowing down anytime soon. He is in his absolute prime right now and quite frankly his production dwarfs that of anyone else that we can get.

CJ is top 5 talent. Boldin and RW are top 20.

If we can get 85 for 5 years those are 5 years in which we will get a high level of productivity and more than likely three of those will be at a top 5 level of productivity. He doesnt get hurt and he plays at a position that players routinely play deep into their 30s especially the great ones.

85 is a great one.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2039288 said:
People keep on talking about his age and i really do not see why. Contracts are signed for 4 or five years and there is nothing to indicate that he is slowing down anytime soon. He is in his absolute prime right now and quite frankly his production dwarfs that of anyone else that we can get.

CJ is top 5 talent. Boldin and RW are top 20.

If we can get 85 for 5 years those are 5 years in which we will get a high level of productivity and more than likely three of those will be at a top 5 level of productivity. He doesnt get hurt and he plays at a position that players routinely play deep into their 30s especially the great ones.

85 is a great one.

What are you doing here?
Dont go trying to make sense on one of these threads!

Wonder if there is even one anti CJ person here who was in favor of signing TO?
 
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