If we're going to get to the next level, Jones has to start

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And if not start at least get the lions share of carries.

People think Chris Johnson is better, and maybe he is, but Chris Johnson gets the opportunity.

First we need to ranch up our touches. We have 3 running backs... teams with 1 running back ran almost as much as all 3 of our backs combined.

Give Marion Barber 8 carries per game. 8 CARRIES. Give him the ball in the red zone, and give him the ball in the 4th quarter, and maybe on 3rd and short. Other than that, he shouldn't be rushing the ball.

We're using him wrong, dead wrong. Here are key splits for Marion Barber, that highlight his misuse.

2009
1st down attempts - 122
3rd down attempts - 21

1st - 3rd quarter carries - 161
4th quarter carries - 52

4th quarter +/- 7 pts - 19 carries

Marion Barber is a closer, and a short yardage back, use him like that, keep him fresh, and keep him powerful, especially when the defense is tired, and isn't tackling properly.

2006
1st down attempts - 63
3rd down attempts - 34

1st - 3rd quarter carries - 85 (9 in the first)
4th quarter carries - 50

4th quarter +/- 7 points - 24 carries

As he has grown older, his attempts should be more limited and MORE focused on his specialties, which also allows Choice and Felix Jones to focus on their specialties.

Last year we were 17th in rushing attempts, that needs to change. That isn't as balanced as Garrett would have us think. New Orleans ran 468 times, that's balanced. That's why they score so much. You can't just drop back against Drew Brees or blitz him all day, you have to contend with the run, which isn't nearly as good as ours. No team IMO has a better tandem at running back than us.

We should run it AT LEAST 460 times this year. Thats 28-29 times per game. 7 times per quarter. Which is just under 50% of the play call in an average game. That said time of possession goes up, and so does our success rate in converting downs.

And if barber gets 8 carries per game or 128 carries, that leaves 332 rushes... take out 32 for Romo. Leave us at 300. Meaning that between Choice and Jones they should get about 150 rushes each, or maybe 175 - 125. I might even go as far as to say Jones should get 200 rushes, and maybe Choice 100. That's still increased carries for Choice. And maybe we rush a little more than 460 if we're successful in moving the chains.
 
I agree. Barber's WAY TOO SLOW for anything other than short yardage situations. I'm amazed they're still starting him, but I bet that'll change. All Felix has to do is find a hole, and he can outrun about anyone.
 
Rynie;3515543 said:
I agree. Barber's WAY TOO SLOW for anything other than short yardage situations. I'm amazed they're still starting him, but I bet that'll change. All Felix has to do is find a hole, and he can outrun about anyone.

Same situation we have now with Roy, why does he start? :jackpot:
 
BALCO;3515546 said:
Same situation we have now with Roy, why does he start? :jackpot:

I think thats a "bit" different really. we all right Roy off, but the problems he has been having since he has been here are certainly not his alone. I blame him, Romo, and the coaching staff.

Hopefully we can get him in position how we really want to, and we can move on from this. I remember when T.O. first got here, he was misused as well. 2007 though, the coaching staff really looked at better ways to use him. 2008 was a wash because of injuries to Romo.

By the way, another telling stat

Marion Barber - 5 runs over 20 yards on 214 carries
Felix Jones - 5 runs over 20 yards on 116 carries

You give Felix Jones the same opportunities as Frank Gore, Jon Stewart, and Ray Rice... and you're going to have a great offense.

Adrian Peterson is actually somewhat overrated... he carries the rock a lot, but he doesn't bust than many huge gains for how many times he touches the ball. Then he puts the rock on the ground too often. His best ability is his scoring in the red zone. Which i think if we dedicated to Marion Barber, he would be just as good at.
 
Galian Beast;3515530 said:
And if not start at least get the lions share of carries.

I was about to rant about how it's unimportant who starts the game, then you threw this in at the beginning.

You owe me a rant.
 
I just don't think Jerry could handle the lion's share at this age.
 
gimmesix;3515559 said:
I was about to rant about how it's unimportant who starts the game, then you threw this in at the beginning.

You owe me a rant.

sorry, but i do think its important we establish the running game with jones, with a mix of choice...
 
I hate to be the party pooper here but......Titans have a better OL and Felix runs between the tackles; not so good.




Feel free to bash away. It's what I see from my living room, like the rest of us.
 
Choice needs to be starting... Mix Choice and Jones with Barber playing the short yardage/goal line/change of pace back. This is now my 2nd year sounding this horn. Will they ever hear it?
 
I'd like to see what Jones can do getting a primary-back number of carries for a game.
 
Here is a break down of carries/yards per carry for each back by quarter in 2009:

1st Quarter:
Marion Barber, 60 carries, 4.9 ypc
Felix Jones, 31 carries, 5.3 ypc
Tashard Choice, 14, 7.5 ypc

2nd Quarter:
Marion Barber, 55 carries, 3.4 ypc
Felix Jones, 29 carries, 6.2 ypc
Tashard Choice, 15 carries, 2.9 ypc

3rd Quarter:
Marion Barber, 46 carries, 3.2 ypc
Felix Jones, 30 carries, 9.0 ypc
Tashard Choice, 13 carries, 7.0 ypc

4th Quarter:
Marion Barber, 52 carries, 5.6 ypc
Felix Jones, 26 carries, 2.5 ypc
Tashard Choice, 20 carries, 3.9 ypc

If you take their top two quarters by ypc, than you start off with Barber mixed in with Tashard Choice in the 1st quarter. Then run Felix in the 2nd quarter. Dish out some more Felix in the 3rd with Tashard worked in again. And let Barber finish the game with 4th quarter carries.

I've been saying for awhile that Barber can start the game, and finish the game, but he can't keep up his bruising style for a whole game. It is too taxing on him. Let him pound on the defense in the first quarter, then let the defense have to deal with a fresh Felix Jones in the 2nd and 3rd. Then bring back Barber for the 4th quarter. You have Tashard help out when Barber and Felix get winded in the first quarter and third quarter, respectively.
 
I think Choice should be the starting RB. He more than proved he's the real deal at the end of 2008 against the best defenses in the NFL. Jones is just to fragile to carry the load and is better used as a change of pace player and a number 2 back.I think Jones could really create matchup nightmares if he lined up in the slot a few plays a game to throw defenses off. Barber also has his place and it isn't on the sweeps and pitch outs Garrett likes to call for him.
 
Galian Beast;3515530 said:
And if not start at least get the lions share of carries.

People think Chris Johnson is better, and maybe he is, but Chris Johnson gets the opportunity.

First we need to ranch up our touches. We have 3 running backs... teams with 1 running back ran almost as much as all 3 of our backs combined.

Give Marion Barber 8 carries per game. 8 CARRIES. Give him the ball in the red zone, and give him the ball in the 4th quarter, and maybe on 3rd and short. Other than that, he shouldn't be rushing the ball.

We're using him wrong, dead wrong. Here are key splits for Marion Barber, that highlight his misuse.

2009
1st down attempts - 122
3rd down attempts - 21

1st - 3rd quarter carries - 161
4th quarter carries - 52

4th quarter +/- 7 pts - 19 carries

Marion Barber is a closer, and a short yardage back, use him like that, keep him fresh, and keep him powerful, especially when the defense is tired, and isn't tackling properly.

2006
1st down attempts - 63
3rd down attempts - 34

1st - 3rd quarter carries - 85 (9 in the first)
4th quarter carries - 50

4th quarter +/- 7 points - 24 carries

As he has grown older, his attempts should be more limited and MORE focused on his specialties, which also allows Choice and Felix Jones to focus on their specialties.

Last year we were 17th in rushing attempts, that needs to change. That isn't as balanced as Garrett would have us think. New Orleans ran 468 times, that's balanced. That's why they score so much. You can't just drop back against Drew Brees or blitz him all day, you have to contend with the run, which isn't nearly as good as ours. No team IMO has a better tandem at running back than us.

We should run it AT LEAST 460 times this year. Thats 28-29 times per game. 7 times per quarter. Which is just under 50% of the play call in an average game. That said time of possession goes up, and so does our success rate in converting downs.

And if barber gets 8 carries per game or 128 carries, that leaves 332 rushes... take out 32 for Romo. Leave us at 300. Meaning that between Choice and Jones they should get about 150 rushes each, or maybe 175 - 125. I might even go as far as to say Jones should get 200 rushes, and maybe Choice 100. That's still increased carries for Choice. And maybe we rush a little more than 460 if we're successful in moving the chains.

and yet as the starter, with most of the carries, he averaged 4.5. was our leading rusher....hmmmm...

felix is good in the role that he is. he is a weapon. he doesn't need the ball in his hand every down. he is like a WR in the back field. you get him the ball a few times a game and he will make plays for you. give him the ball every down and his stats and production will diminish. look at his play over the past couple of years and that much is evident. plus for every big play he has made, which is invaluable. he also has bunch of 1 yard runs.
 
I'm confused by Cowboys fans that complain about the O-line not protecting Romo well enough yet they don't want to play the best pass blocking RB. :confused:
 
NorTex;3516135 said:
I'm confused by Cowboys fans that complain about the O-line not protecting Romo well enough yet they don't want to play the best pass blocking RB. :confused:

What's the point of having a running back if all he does is block? We do need to run the ball as well right? .....RIGHT???
 
Rynie;3516145 said:
What's the point of having a running back if all he does is block? We do need to run the ball as well right? .....RIGHT???

I don't think it matters who starts as long as Jones get a majority of the carries early and Barber gets most of his carries in the 4th quarter.
 
Romo 2 Austin;3516190 said:
Pass, Pass Pass.

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No No No
Run, Run, Run, Run, then Pass!!!!!!!
 

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