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[STSINAZ]

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From: TheFuture787 1:51 pm
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QUARTERBACK...JUST LOOK AT THE PLAYOFFS...AND LOOK AT HOW YOUNG SOME OF THEM ARE!

Leftwich

Palmer

Manning

Ben R.

Simms- well he is young,,jury is still out

Hasselback - he is still young too

Brady

Manning and Plummer - arent young but are still very good in mannings case, in plummers case,,,better than we have

Delhomme is pretty good and young too..well 30ish

Bottom line is this...

THE ONLY TEAM THAT IS IN THE PLAYOFFS THAT DIDNT HAVE GOOD QB PLAY IS THE BEARS! THATS IT...IF YOU ARE BANKING ON HAVING A 9% CHANCE OF MAKING IT WITHOUT A GOOD QB YOU ARE CRAZY...I WOULD TAKE THE 91% IN A HEARTBEAT...

CONCLUSION: GET A FRANCHISE QB AND THINGS WILL TURN AROUND! IF YOU DONT HAVE ONE YOU PROBABLY ONLY HAVE A 10% CHANCE OF GETTING IN,,,MUCH LESS WINNING IT ALL!

And it wouldnt take much time to turn things around...look at Palmer, the young Manning...Leftwich, Ben R,,,Simms....You more likely to turn things around with A YOUNG nfl qb rather than an old washed up, holding onto the ball...patting...going down with the ship, no footwork, no mobility, waiting for the big play to develop, not seeing his 2nd or 3rd option QUARTERBACK!

BOTTOM LINE: THE ODDS ARE 10 TO 1 AS FAR AS GOOD QB PLAY VS. NOT IN MAKING IT TODAY'S NFL SO YOU MAKE THE CALL! WHAT WOULD YOU WANT?

 

[miamicowboy21]

As long as parcells is the coach we'll never have the benefit of wacthing a young QB develop, because he dosent have the patience. If parcells was out of the picture henson would be playing. Which is why our attention needs to be focused on upgrading the o-line if were going to have bledsoe back their.

 

[Wolverine]

Nice list of QBs. But even more important then a franchise QB is a OL that can actually protect him. With our OL bein the biggest joke in the NFL I dont think any of the of the QBs you listed woulda done any better then Bledsoe did. If they did do better it would be by a very small amount.

 

[wileedog]

THE ONLY TEAM THAT IS IN THE PLAYOFFS THAT DIDNT HAVE GOOD QB PLAY IS THE BEARS!

The ONLY team in the top 10 defenses who DIDN'T make the playoffs was Baltimore. That's 9 of the top 10.

THere's more than just the QB.

 

[cml750]

Nice list of QBs. But even more important then a franchise QB is a OL that can actually protect him. With our OL bein the biggest joke in the NFL I dont think any of the of the QBs you listed woulda done any better then Bledsoe did. If they did do better it would be by a very small amount.

Not to say that our line was good but Bledsoe will make any line look bad. As long as he is QB we will always seem to need o-line help.

 

[jterrell]

ROFL.

Some folks will make whatever argument is convenient out of facts that are not at all evidence of that argument.


Lemme guess any good QB is a franchise guy?

Delhomme, Hasselbach and others were not "franchise" guys. Neither was the best of the lot Brady. They have developed into guys the franchise leans on obviously but that changes season to season. Culpepper and McNabb were franchise guys just last year and used in the same arguments.

Eli Manning has been abysmal; killing the Giants chances. He is losing 20-0 and is tossing picks like they are wedding bouquets.
Chris Simms was bad, throwing 2 picks and zero TDs as his team scored 10 points.

Leftwich was ineffective and eventually replaced.

If you get tot he playofs chances are good you have been successful on offense and if you are then chances are your QB will get lots of credit.

Was Delhomme a franchise guy last year when his team missed the playoffs? What about Eli Manning? Or Chirs Simms who was on the sideline most of the year? What about Drew Brees? Chad Pennington? Is Rex Grossman? Kyle Boller? David Carr? Joey Harrington?

If its not about drafting them high what is it exactly that defines a franchise QB???

 

[jterrell]

Not to say that our line was good but Bledsoe will make any line look bad. As long as he is QB we will always seem to need o-line help.

What about Julius? Will he always need some OL help because he certainly did this year.


The problem with thinking this OL was only bad because of Bledsoe is that we couldn't run having one of the very worst yards per carry averages in the league.


ANY pure pocket passer makes it harder on the OL. The very definition means they stay in the pocket and the defense knows where to go find them. I absolutely agree Bledsoe makes it harder on the OL than most but this OL was worse than most have been with him at QB even.

What I saw was 1 on 1 our OL getting beat quite easily. It happened on run plays, pass plays, field goal attempts even.

 

[Sitting Bull]

if you want to win you need a franchise QUARTERBACK...JUST LOOK AT THE PLAYOFFS...AND LOOK AT HOW YOUNG SOME OF THEM ARE!

I repsectfully disagree. Bledsoe is better than half of those QBs. Brunell is bad, Leftwich and Big Ben are bus drivers and you could easily agrue that the Giants and Bucs made the playoffs IN SPITE of their QBs.

We need to develop our defense into a dominant, game changing force and improve the Oline so our running game can provide enough balance to protect Bledsoe. If the goal is to win the Super Bowl in 2007, then I don't see how "young and average" is any better than "older and average" in a QB. In fact, Bledsoe's playoff experience and toughness would be an advantage if the proper pieces were in place around him.

 

[cml750]

What about Julius? Will he always need some OL help because he certainly did this year.


The problem with thinking this OL was only bad because of Bledsoe is that we couldn't run having one of the very worst yards per carry averages in the league.


ANY pure pocket passer makes it harder on the OL. The very definition means they stay in the pocket and the defense knows where to go find them. I absolutely agree Bledsoe makes it harder on the OL than most but this OL was worse than most have been with him at QB even.

What I saw was 1 on 1 our OL getting beat quite easily. It happened on run plays, pass plays, field goal attempts even.

Good points. I guess the person cooking the meal didn't do a very good job of buying the groceries when it comes to the o-line.

 

[burmafrd]

The Bledsoe haters always claim that the O line does not matter. Of course that is stupid but then so are they. We could not run block except for maybe 2-3 games the whole season- 1 was against the Cards so that does not count; we were so-so early on pass blocking and Bledsoe was doing good. If we could have kept THAT up we would be in the playoffs. BUT the line got worse as the season went along. And that was that. There are only about 4 real franchise QB's in the NFL: Brady, P Manning, maybe Rothlisberger, certainly Palmer, and that is about it. Delhomme- might reach that status this year. Outside of them- who are these so called FRANCHISE QB's. Leftwich has not proven himself yet; Plummer had a lot of bad years; Hasselback -maybe. Out of 32 starting QB's how many does that make?

 

[jterrell]

As long as parcells is the coach we'll never have the benefit of wacthing a young QB develop, because he dosent have the patience. If parcells was out of the picture henson would be playing. Which is why our attention needs to be focused on upgrading the o-line if were going to have bledsoe back their.

Its easy to make these proclamations and state them as facts but its probably not accurate.

Sean Payton is the guy who likes Romo most. Were he head coach chances are good his guy would be the QB, Romo. Or perhaps he would have Kerry Collins in here; a guy he got to the Super Bowl with.

What we know is that if YOU were coach you'd play Henson. As for any real coaching candidate that is mere speculation.

 

[Da Hammer]

this is what I put in another topic sort of similar to this one

I don't think we will win a SB with Parcells here because if you look at the last 13 SB winners all but 2 had their Franchise QB leading them to victory. The only reason that those 2 teams that didn't have their franchise QB won the SB was because they had one of the best D's in the history of the NFL. Which were the 2000 Ravens and the 2002 Buccaneers. Parcells wants to win now and will at the max coach 2 more years and then retire. So he is not gonna waste a draft pick on a QB, and with Zimmer here we are not gonna have a dominating D. So we can just hope that he leaves the pieces for another coach to where all we need is that Franchise QB

 

[cml750]

The Bledsoe haters always claim that the O line does not matter. Of course that is stupid but then so are they. We could not run block except for maybe 2-3 games the whole season- 1 was against the Cards so that does not count; we were so-so early on pass blocking and Bledsoe was doing good. If we could have kept THAT up we would be in the playoffs. BUT the line got worse as the season went along. And that was that. There are only about 4 real franchise QB's in the NFL: Brady, P Manning, maybe Rothlisberger, certainly Palmer, and that is about it. Delhomme- might reach that status this year. Outside of them- who are these so called FRANCHISE QB's. Leftwich has not proven himself yet; Plummer had a lot of bad years; Hasselback -maybe. Out of 32 starting QB's how many does that make?

I am not a Bledsoe hater! I just don't like the idea that 2 years from now when Bill leaves that we will still be stuck with a 35-36 year old QB and two guys that never saw the field because they didn't give us "the best chance to win." I think we should have went with Henson or Romo this year and the end of last year so we could have a young QB growing with a young team. 2 years from now we will have to go through the growing pains of starting an inexperienced QB. Those growing pains should have started last year. Because he is so stubborn we will never win a Superbowl with BP as coach. While I am not a big fan of Bledsoe it's the person that "bought him at the grocery store" that bothers me!!

 

[hmcorp]

eli manning we need eli manning. PLEASE GOD PLEASE>...loser.

And dont give me the jake delhomme franchise crap. Bledsoe had the same if not better stats than he did.

They simply had a better kicker to get them to the record they had.

 

[DWHITE11]

we need a playmaker a steve smith type player. a guy that demands so much attention it opens things up for others

 

[STSINAZ]

bledsoe holds onto the ball too long, he locks onto one receiver too much...doesnt see the whole field...has no mobility...always looks for the long ball...needs to play within himself and see the field better while getting rid of the ball quicker or just throwing it away...its pretty easy...i see alot of qb's do it....its not just the line! and he does this alot! jimmy said it best...we need a new QB

 

[Jimz31]

The ONLY way to get a YOUNG franchise QB is to get rid of BP. As long as he is here, it just ain't gonna happen.