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Evaluating The Cowboys Offense
http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2009/06/evaluating-the-cowboys-offense.html

So after yesterday's New Coke post, it's back to football around here. And while I wish the Sixers the best of luck with their new pick, man, you guys have your work cut out for yourselves when it comes to making people care.

Continuing the semi-theme of looking around the division, I spent some time looking at the Cowboys offense last night. I was curious about a few things, like why the offense wasn't as good last year, how Roy Williams should fare this year, and just generally how has the shape of it evolved since Romo took over two and a half seasons ago.

This isn't going to be one of those argument posts, where I make a case for one reading of the data. Instead, it's more descriptive, with some new questions at the end.

The first player I looked at was Jason Witten. For my money, he's the best skill-position player Dallas has, but I do think tight end is a position with diminishing marginal pass-catching returns. That is, you want a great tight end to make situational plays and help open up the rest of the offense, but if you go to him too many times, you may be missing opportunities on the outside for bigger plays. (TO probably wouldn't describe the situation the same way, but he'd no doubt agree.)

The traditional stats give some support to this position:

Almost 100 receptions for a tight end is a very big number. Witten's yard/catch number has been remarkably stable, but has their been a per-play downside to "forcing" him the ball? For that, we turn to FO's stats:

Uh, no. It hasn't been a problem. His DVOA dropped a bit last year, but you're still looking at remarkably consistent production, whether you throw him the ball 91, 120 or 141 times.

What about Marion Barber? That's a guy whose role really changed last year. He went from being the "closer" to the "man," and it doesn't seem to have been a good shift:

And unlike Witten, Barber's FO stats don't bail him out:

That's a big time regression right there. Of course, when we're talking about running backs having issues, the first thing to check is always the offensive line. The problem for Barber is that the rest of the backs didn't share his issues:

Yes, Barber had the toe injury late last year, but check out his game logs. They don't tell the story of a guy who was playing great until he got hurt.

Especially given how well the other two guys ran the ball last year, and how dangerous Felix Jones can be when he has the ball in his hands, I don't see how Dallas doesn't shift Barber back to his old role as a late-game punisher. Sure, let him start because he's earned it, but give the other guys the mid-field and early carries, and bring in Barber when it's late or you're down by the goal line.

A new coaching staff would probably have no problem doing that. Fortunately, Wade Phillips is still around.

Here's another chart that suggests the offensive line wasn't really the problem last year:

The two columns at right have two different ways of calculating sack rates. In the end, it doesn't really change the numbers much, although I think the big difference between Johnson's 07 and 08 numbers probably comes from kneeldowns. The biggest difference in overall sack rates just comes from Johnson playing more last year.

For the overall shape of the passing offense, we have this chart (click for full size):

I cut it down to the top players at each position because it removes a lot of clutter. The bottom line gives you the contributions of the chaff.

Basically, it looks to me like the Cowboys had two good receivers (2005), two very good receivers (2006), and then just Terrell Owens and a bunch of guys (2007 and 2008). I know the folks in Dallas are all excited about Miles Austin -- and he did post an impressive YPC of 21.4 last year -- but even with the addition of Roy Williams, I don't see how this isn't a much less talented receiving corps than they used to have. Patrick Crayton looks like a #2 Eagles receiver (pre-2008 edition), meaning he'd be a #3 anywhere else.

With that said, Dallas may be making it up somewhat in other areas. After years of watching how the Eagles use Brian Westbrook, it shouldn't be hard for Dallas to figure out how to get Felix Jones involved in the passing game, if the receivers don't step up.

There's nothing really interesting about Romo's stats last year. He was pretty much the same player, just not quite as good. Blame Jessica, TO, Garrett or a decrease in receiving talent (including the aging of TO), as you see fit.

The last question, and maybe the most important, is what we can expect from Roy Williams this year. I'm honestly not that impressed by the guy. He's got great physical attributes, but on the field he seems like a poor man's Braylon Edwards. Compare his last four seasons to TO's:

Now, granted, you can't use these stats to strip out quarterback effects. There's no question about who was in the better situation. But even in Williams' big-stat 2006 season, his FO numbers just aren't that good. A DYAR of 250 and DVOA of 8.7% puts you just outside the top 10 in terms of NFL receivers. That's down in Derrick Mason / Greg Jennings territory. Those guys are good receivers, but they're not HOFers. And while Williams' big body can provide matchup issues in the red zone, he's not a guy with the greatest hands. He'll make some amazing catches, but he'll also drop some he should come up with. You at least have a shot down there.

After looking at all these numbers, I'm pretty firmly convinced that if the Cowboys are going to get the offense revving again, it's not going to be the receiving corps carrying the load. It's going to be on that big offensive line and a very talented backfield instead. And if Dallas is controlling the line of scrimmage and Romo has time when they pick his spots, they can be a very dangerous offense indeed.
 

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Gryphon;2823717 said:
Evaluating The Cowboys Offense
http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2009/06/evaluating-the-cowboys-offense.html

So after yesterday's New Coke post, it's back to football around here. And while I wish the Sixers the best of luck with their new pick, man, you guys have your work cut out for yourselves when it comes to making people care.

Continuing the semi-theme of looking around the division, I spent some time looking at the Cowboys offense last night. I was curious about a few things, like why the offense wasn't as good last year, how Roy Williams should fare this year, and just generally how has the shape of it evolved since Romo took over two and a half seasons ago.

This isn't going to be one of those argument posts, where I make a case for one reading of the data. Instead, it's more descriptive, with some new questions at the end.

The first player I looked at was Jason Witten. For my money, he's the best skill-position player Dallas has, but I do think tight end is a position with diminishing marginal pass-catching returns. That is, you want a great tight end to make situational plays and help open up the rest of the offense, but if you go to him too many times, you may be missing opportunities on the outside for bigger plays. (TO probably wouldn't describe the situation the same way, but he'd no doubt agree.)

The traditional stats give some support to this position:

Almost 100 receptions for a tight end is a very big number. Witten's yard/catch number has been remarkably stable, but has their been a per-play downside to "forcing" him the ball? For that, we turn to FO's stats:

Uh, no. It hasn't been a problem. His DVOA dropped a bit last year, but you're still looking at remarkably consistent production, whether you throw him the ball 91, 120 or 141 times.

What about Marion Barber? That's a guy whose role really changed last year. He went from being the "closer" to the "man," and it doesn't seem to have been a good shift:

And unlike Witten, Barber's FO stats don't bail him out:

That's a big time regression right there. Of course, when we're talking about running backs having issues, the first thing to check is always the offensive line. The problem for Barber is that the rest of the backs didn't share his issues:

Yes, Barber had the toe injury late last year, but check out his game logs. They don't tell the story of a guy who was playing great until he got hurt.

Especially given how well the other two guys ran the ball last year, and how dangerous Felix Jones can be when he has the ball in his hands, I don't see how Dallas doesn't shift Barber back to his old role as a late-game punisher. Sure, let him start because he's earned it, but give the other guys the mid-field and early carries, and bring in Barber when it's late or you're down by the goal line.

A new coaching staff would probably have no problem doing that. Fortunately, Wade Phillips is still around.

Here's another chart that suggests the offensive line wasn't really the problem last year:

The two columns at right have two different ways of calculating sack rates. In the end, it doesn't really change the numbers much, although I think the big difference between Johnson's 07 and 08 numbers probably comes from kneeldowns. The biggest difference in overall sack rates just comes from Johnson playing more last year.

For the overall shape of the passing offense, we have this chart (click for full size):

I cut it down to the top players at each position because it removes a lot of clutter. The bottom line gives you the contributions of the chaff.

Basically, it looks to me like the Cowboys had two good receivers (2005), two very good receivers (2006), and then just Terrell Owens and a bunch of guys (2007 and 2008). I know the folks in Dallas are all excited about Miles Austin -- and he did post an impressive YPC of 21.4 last year -- but even with the addition of Roy Williams, I don't see how this isn't a much less talented receiving corps than they used to have. Patrick Crayton looks like a #2 Eagles receiver (pre-2008 edition), meaning he'd be a #3 anywhere else.

With that said, Dallas may be making it up somewhat in other areas. After years of watching how the Eagles use Brian Westbrook, it shouldn't be hard for Dallas to figure out how to get Felix Jones involved in the passing game, if the receivers don't step up.

There's nothing really interesting about Romo's stats last year. He was pretty much the same player, just not quite as good. Blame Jessica, TO, Garrett or a decrease in receiving talent (including the aging of TO), as you see fit.

The last question, and maybe the most important, is what we can expect from Roy Williams this year. I'm honestly not that impressed by the guy. He's got great physical attributes, but on the field he seems like a poor man's Braylon Edwards. Compare his last four seasons to TO's:

Now, granted, you can't use these stats to strip out quarterback effects. There's no question about who was in the better situation. But even in Williams' big-stat 2006 season, his FO numbers just aren't that good. A DYAR of 250 and DVOA of 8.7% puts you just outside the top 10 in terms of NFL receivers. That's down in Derrick Mason / Greg Jennings territory. Those guys are good receivers, but they're not HOFers. And while Williams' big body can provide matchup issues in the red zone, he's not a guy with the greatest hands. He'll make some amazing catches, but he'll also drop some he should come up with. You at least have a shot down there.

After looking at all these numbers, I'm pretty firmly convinced that if the Cowboys are going to get the offense revving again, it's not going to be the receiving corps carrying the load. It's going to be on that big offensive line and a very talented backfield instead. And if Dallas is controlling the line of scrimmage and Romo has time when they pick his spots, they can be a very dangerous offense indeed.

these are the things that makes this guy have no credibility
 

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dadymat;2823768 said:
these are the things that makes this guy have no credibility

I think what he said has a lot of credence. Williams is the big question mark. The season will be decided by his stats this year. If he can come up big, and be the threat they need, then the rest of the team will flourish. If Williams flops, then there is no one else to pick up the slack.
 

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FLcowboy;2823933 said:
I think what he said has a lot of credence. Williams is the big question mark. The season will be decided by his stats this year. If he can come up big, and be the threat they need, then the rest of the team will flourish. If Williams flops, then there is no one else to pick up the slack.


i disagree, i think it will be decided by whether they stay disciplined and fight as a team.......there is plenty of talent to spread the ball around....Witten, Crayton, Austin, F. Jones, Bennett, Choice and Barber
 

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FLcowboy;2823933 said:
I think what he said has a lot of credence. Williams is the big question mark. The season will be decided by his stats this year. If he can come up big, and be the threat they need, then the rest of the team will flourish. If Williams flops, then there is no one else to pick up the slack.
Although it was not a bad writeup, i disagree with his assessment and yours that we need that "one" guy to carry us in the reception department. We have a lot of guys who can share the load as long as we get our ground game in shape and going.
Romo is very good at spreading the ball around, and I think he will have plenty of opportunity to do just that this year.
 

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The offense will go as far as Romo and Garrett take it. Part of the problem with Barber last year is that he was often neglected by Romo and Garrett. Who can forget the week 4 game against the Skins where the Cowboys neglected to run the ball and of course Garrett blamed Romo and Romo blamed Garrett. Teams figured out that the Cowboys were going to throw the ball if you gave them the look that you were going to stop the run. Sometimes you just need to pound it in there, take your 2 yard gain and keep doing that to keep the defense somewhat honest so you can hit the big play later down the road.

We also had a problem where we weren't developing big leads early. Garrett wants to throw the ball so much early on (no wait, blame Romo or blame Wade or blame TO) that it worked great in '07 and built up big leads and let Marion come in and destroy teams. But when it didn't work as well in '08 Garrett would often keep neglecting the running game.

Talent wise I think this is still a potentially fantastic offense. But if the QB can't protect the ball and the O-Coordinator cannot use all of the weapons we have on offense, it's going to be a long year.




YAKUZA
 

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Didn't read the whole thing b/c I don't really care about an Eagles' fan's detailed analysis, but his last paragraph was a pretty good summation. I think the running game will get us going and our passing game will still be good, just not spectacular.
 

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It was actually well thought out and articulated, nothing new gleaned, but still surprising considering the source.

And Roy Williams does make some amazing catches, AND makes some head scratching drops. The Detroit board will tell you that. Its not his hands that are the problem, its his focus.
 

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The offense will go as far as the OLine will take it.

If we have to rely on Proctor then we're doomed.
 

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Arch Stanton;2824424 said:
The offense will go as far as the OLine will take it.

If we have to rely on Proctor then we're doomed.

.....agree, the weakest link theory.....but that could also be applied to Roy's route running, Austin on the other side pulling coverage, Crayton producing in the slot............and Red's level of creativety, not so much in gimmek plays, just dont need to hear the Ravens say they could read the offense like a book it was so simple.
 

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If our line holds up, we can play with anyone. When they fall apart, get banged up, or aren't 'motivated' then they look like the most overated unit on our team. Then some games they can surprise the heck out of me.

I'm really hoping that Holland can push Kozier for the starting job, and Brewster can step up early because I don't know how much longer Flo can make it.
 

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Apollo Creed;2824462 said:
and Brewster can step up early because I don't know how much longer Flo can make it.

Will Brewster play at tackle? I thought the idea was that he'd probably move inside to guard?
 

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FLcowboy;2823933 said:
I think what he said has a lot of credence. Williams is the big question mark. The season will be decided by his stats this year. If he can come up big, and be the threat they need, then the rest of the team will flourish. If Williams flops, then there is no one else to pick up the slack.

No the season will come down to our ability to run the ball and our defense. Roy is a lot better then he's been getting credit for lately, and when the season starts, i for one won't be surprised when he plays well.

He was the 3rd option on a team he joined mid season last year playing on a bad leg if people think that's the player he really is they're in for a surprise come September
 

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No the season will come down to our ability to run the ball and our defense. Roy is a lot better then he's been getting credit for lately, and when the season starts, i for one won't be surprised when he plays well.

He was the 3rd option on a team he joined mid season last year playing on a bad leg if people think that's the player he really is they're in for a surprise come September

Agreed. Not only was he the 3rd option, but he knew nothing about the offense--he's gonna be really good this year.
 

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I thought it was a good read and on the money. This team will go as far as Romo takes it. And he'll go as far as the OL and play calling takes him. Those are the keys to the offense. It'll be a cooperative effort between Garrett, Romo, the OL and lastly the WRs. There is no reason we cannot run the ball unless they put ten men on the LOS or the OL fails. It won't be on the RBs if the play calling is even just decent.
 

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The first player I looked at was Jason Witten. For my money, he's the best skill-position player Dallas has, but I do think tight end is a position with diminishing marginal pass-catching returns. That is, you want a great tight end to make situational plays and help open up the rest of the offense, but if you go to him too many times, you may be missing opportunities on the outside for bigger plays. (TO probably wouldn't describe the situation the same way, but he'd no doubt agree.)

The traditional stats give some support to this position:

Almost 100 receptions for a tight end is a very big number. Witten's yard/catch number has been remarkably stable, but has their been a per-play downside to "forcing" him the ball? For that, we turn to FO's stats:

Uh, no. It hasn't been a problem. His DVOA dropped a bit last year, but you're still looking at remarkably consistent production, whether you throw him the ball 91, 120 or 141 times.

What?

The Iggles blog scoffs at featuring a tight end, goes on to say that traditional stats support their position and finish up by saying "forcing" the ball to Jason Witten has not been a problem in Big D.

Thanks.

Anyway, Witten had fewer passes forced to him the last two seasons than Terrell Owens did, #81 was targeted above all others. And fewer opportunities didn't stop Witten from leading the team in receptions the last two years, either.

Witten provided more bang for the buck, he ran better routes and had better hands than Owens.

So it isn't a bad thing that Tony Romo's most trusted target led the team in receptions two years in a row. It's nothing more than the result of all the work the two have put in together during their time with the Cowboys.
 

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Bluefin;2824589 said:
What?

The Iggles blog scoffs at featuring a tight end, goes on to say that traditional stats support their position and finish up by saying "forcing" the ball to Jason Witten has not been a problem in Big D.

Thanks.

Anyway, Witten had fewer passes forced to him the last two seasons than Terrell Owens did, #81 was targeted above all others. And fewer opportunities didn't stop Witten from leading the team in receptions the last two years, either.

Witten provided more bang for the buck, he ran better routes and had better hands than Owens.

So it isn't a bad thing that Tony Romo's most trusted target led the team in receptions two years in a row. It's nothing more than the result of all the work the two have put in together during their time with the Cowboys.

I had this very debate with a Steelers fan the other they and he just couldn't get it into his little head that just because Witten lead the team in receptions did not mean he was thrown to the most, it just means he made more out of the passes coming him way then "the player" did.
 

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RW Hitman;2823966 said:
Although it was not a bad writeup, i disagree with his assessment and yours that we need that "one" guy to carry us in the reception department. We have a lot of guys who can share the load as long as we get our ground game in shape and going.
Romo is very good at spreading the ball around, and I think he will have plenty of opportunity to do just that this year.

Agreed. We need to spread the ball around and run he damn ball with heart and intensity. Pitsburgh has won two Super Bowls lately and while they have had some good receivers, I don't consider any of them close to great. Hines Ward is good, but no HOFer. As a group, they're certainly no better than what we have, especially if you want to throw TEs into the mix.
 

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Yakuza Rich;2824042 said:
The offense will go as far as Romo and Garrett take it. Part of the problem with Barber last year is that he was often neglected by Romo and Garrett. Who can forget the week 4 game against the Skins where the Cowboys neglected to run the ball and of course Garrett blamed Romo and Romo blamed Garrett. Teams figured out that the Cowboys were going to throw the ball if you gave them the look that you were going to stop the run. Sometimes you just need to pound it in there, take your 2 yard gain and keep doing that to keep the defense somewhat honest so you can hit the big play later down the road.

We also had a problem where we weren't developing big leads early. Garrett wants to throw the ball so much early on (no wait, blame Romo or blame Wade or blame TO) that it worked great in '07 and built up big leads and let Marion come in and destroy teams. But when it didn't work as well in '08 Garrett would often keep neglecting the running game.

Talent wise I think this is still a potentially fantastic offense. But if the QB can't protect the ball and the O-Coordinator cannot use all of the weapons we have on offense, it's going to be a long year.




YAKUZA

Great assessment. I couldn't agree more.
 
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