Illegal forward pass by SD (also Fasano vs Colts)

smarta5150

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Did anyone catch that play that took place in the SD / OAK game where the Charger WR (sorry forgot who) went down untouched and then stood up and spun the ball forward? Oakland jumped on the ball and wanted it to be ruled a fumble. Well the refs got togther and ruled it was an illegal forward pass - NOT a fumble.

Remember when Fasano against the Colts got up and threw the ball forward and the Colts wanted it to be ruled a fumble... I know Fasano was ruled down by contact anyway but in therory if he wasnt ruled down by contact that play would have resulted in an illegal forward pass and NOT a fumble?

I have a funny feeling we would have gotten the short end of the stick and been forced to give that ball up. Any thoughts?
 

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What happened to the plex burress rule? Why was his a fumble and not that one?
 

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Did he toss it behind him?

Today the Charger spun in front of him to be a forward pass.
 

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illegal forward pass? that is a dumb rule. if the player is that stupid to do that it should be ruled a fumble
 

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oh geez, sounds like another rule or rule clearification by the NFL coming. :eek: Anthony Fasano rule?
 

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smarta5150;1191536 said:
Did anyone catch that play that took place in the SD / OAK game where the Charger WR (sorry forgot who) went down untouched and then stood up and spun the ball forward? Oakland jumped on the ball and wanted it to be ruled a fumble. Well the refs got togther and ruled it was an illegal forward pass - NOT a fumble.

Remember when Fasano against the Colts got up and threw the ball forward and the Colts wanted it to be ruled a fumble... I know Fasano was ruled down by contact anyway but in therory if he wasnt ruled down by contact that play would have resulted in an illegal forward pass and NOT a fumble?

I have a funny feeling we would have gotten the short end of the stick and been forced to give that ball up. Any thoughts?


Yea, therefore, I refuse to think about that.......whew!
 

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bigbadroy;1191613 said:
illegal forward pass? that is a dumb rule. if the player is that stupid to do that it should be ruled a fumble

I agree. Who was his intended target with his pass? The Raiders got screwed IMO.
 

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smarta5150;1191536 said:
Did anyone catch that play that took place in the SD / OAK game where the Charger WR (sorry forgot who) went down untouched and then stood up and spun the ball forward? Oakland jumped on the ball and wanted it to be ruled a fumble. Well the refs got togther and ruled it was an illegal forward pass - NOT a fumble.

Remember when Fasano against the Colts got up and threw the ball forward and the Colts wanted it to be ruled a fumble... I know Fasano was ruled down by contact anyway but in therory if he wasnt ruled down by contact that play would have resulted in an illegal forward pass and NOT a fumble?

I have a funny feeling we would have gotten the short end of the stick and been forced to give that ball up. Any thoughts?
Maybe we should just be happy the call went our way in the first place and not get paranoid about hypothetical situations. The persecution complex on this board is out of control at times.
 

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smarta5150;1191536 said:
Did anyone catch that play that took place in the SD / OAK game where the Charger WR (sorry forgot who) went down untouched and then stood up and spun the ball forward? Oakland jumped on the ball and wanted it to be ruled a fumble. Well the refs got togther and ruled it was an illegal forward pass - NOT a fumble.


FYI, Vincent Jackson

Yea, kind of a ridiculous call compared to the Fasano call.

Thankfully, didn't hurt either team really.
 

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Natedawg44;1191687 said:
I agree. Who was his intended target with his pass? The Raiders got screwed IMO.


I got stuck with this game and saw the play. The Raiders were indeed screwed. The whole thing was absurd. It should have been ruled a fumble and a recovery by the Raiders.
 

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bigbadroy;1191613 said:
illegal forward pass? that is a dumb rule. if the player is that stupid to do that it should be ruled a fumble

Sometimes it is a matter of concentration rather than stupidity. Sometimes it is a matter of both like Leon Lett on that Thanksgiving Day game against Miami.
 

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I thought once they got passed the line of scrimmage its rules a forward lateral and a live ball.
 

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smarta5150;1191536 said:
Did anyone catch that play that took place in the SD / OAK game where the Charger WR (sorry forgot who) went down untouched and then stood up and spun the ball forward? Oakland jumped on the ball and wanted it to be ruled a fumble. Well the refs got togther and ruled it was an illegal forward pass - NOT a fumble.

Remember when Fasano against the Colts got up and threw the ball forward and the Colts wanted it to be ruled a fumble... I know Fasano was ruled down by contact anyway but in therory if he wasnt ruled down by contact that play would have resulted in an illegal forward pass and NOT a fumble?

I have a funny feeling we would have gotten the short end of the stick and been forced to give that ball up. Any thoughts?

Let’s see, you are complaining about a play that went our way. Taking it and saying if it didn’t go our way, we would have been robbed?
 

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Natedawg44;1191687 said:
I agree. Who was his intended target with his pass? The Raiders got screwed IMO.

Maybe Vincent Jackson should have also been called for Intentional Grounding. :D
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2676820

Odd, but correct, call brings confusion in S.D. game
ESPN.com news services

SAN DIEGO -- A moment of celebration by San Diego receiver Vincent Jackson turned into 10 minutes of confusion in the fourth quarter of the Chargers game with the rival Oakland Raiders.

With the Chargers trailing 14-7 and facing fourth-and-2 from the Raiders 40, Jackson caught a 13-yard pass from Philip Rivers, rolled to the ground untouched, then stood up and spun the ball forward. Oakland's Fabian Washington jumped on the ball, believing it was a fumble, and setting off 10 minutes of confusion as the referees sorted it out.

Referee Mike Carey originally signaled Oakland's possession, but then the Chargers were flagged for illegal forward pass. Even with the 5-yard penalty for the illegal pass, the Chargers still had a first down, at the 32.

Four plays later, LaDainian Tomlinson threw a 19-yard touchdown pass to Antonio Gates to tie the game at 14.

While the call was questioned on the field, NFL Supervisor of Officials Mike Pereira confirmed to ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the call was correct -- and not without precedent.

It is illegal to intentionally fumble a ball forward and, by rule, an illegal forward fumble is an incomplete pass. That makes it a dead ball. A 5-yard penalty is then assessed from the spot.

Jackson spinning the ball forward when he was not down by contact constituted an intentional illegal forward fumble and thus an illegal forward pass. Had he spun it backward, it would have been a live fumble.

A similar call was made when Plaxico Burress did the same thing with the Steelers on Oct. 1, 2000.
 

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Its rules like this that are getting ridicilous that should be a fumble.
 

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POSTED 8:50 p.m. EST; UPDATED 9:13 p.m. EST, November 26, 2006
RAIDERS GET SCREWED!

We've received a flurry of e-mails from irate Raiders fans, and we've seen highlights of the play that has Raider Nation up in arms.

And we fully agree with them on this one.

With the Raiders leading (surprisingly) 14-7 and less than twelve minutes to play in the game, the Chargers were facing fourth down and two yards to go at the Oakland 40. San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers threw a 13-yard pass to receiver Vincent Jackson, who got up and pulled a Plaxico Burress, spiking the ball without having been touched down. (Just last week, the Colts believed that Cowboys tight end Anthony Fasano had done the same thing, but a replay review showed he was down by contact.)

The Raiders recovered the ball. So it was Raiders ball, right?
Wrong.

After a 10-minute discussion among the zebras, the ruling wasn't that Jackson had fumbled, but that he had thrown an illegal forward pass.
An illegal forward pass! Are you kidding me?

End result? The Chargers kept the ball, with a five-yard penalty.
It was, without question, the worst, stupidest, most bone-headed, nonsensical call we have seen in the NFL. Ever. We don't know whether the officials generally are out to screw the Raiders, but if they are we suggest a tad more subtlety.

And we suggest that the entire officiating crew summarily be fired. Every one of them. Mike Carey, Garth DeFelice, Steve Stelljes, Mark Perlman, Tom Fincken, Bill Schmitz, and Buddy Horton. Though the referee is ultimately responsible for the decision, the fact that not one of the other officials was able to coerce some sense into Carey on such an obvious blunder means that none of them is fit to wear the black hat and the funky striped shirt.

[UPDATE: The NFL is already circling the wagons on this one, with director of officiating Mike Pereira telling ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the call was correct. ESPN.com claims that there is precedent for the call, pointing to the same Plaxico Burress blunder set forth above. The only problem with that? The Burress play was ruled a fumble.)​
 

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Viper;1191746 said:
Let’s see, you are complaining about a play that went our way. Taking it and saying if it didn’t go our way, we would have been robbed?

I am not complaing about anything.

I thought this was interesting food for thought and that we could all discuss for clarification.

This is a forum isnt it? A forum is a place to express opinions and have intellectual conversation. If you want to twist words and attack 1 another I suggest the Pretenders' forums. They seem to be a hostile environment at the moment.
 

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If it's ridiculous to call it a forward pass its ridiculous to say it was a fumble, in my opinion. I think it was the correct call. A forward fumble, according to the rule, IS A FORWARD PASS.
 
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