I'm officially on GROZ...

[windward]

Zimmer, IMO cannot get it done as our defensive coordinator after seven years. His best years have been above average at best. Then he's had seasons like in 2000, 2004 and the latter part of this season. It's not for any lack of talent on the defensive side. Hell we've invested so much time and money on the defense, that combined with the emergence of Romo Braber, Witten etc.. over the past few years we have a very talented team, period. One that IMO, should be better than 9-6 at this point. It's the defense that can't get off the field and allow our ofense to set the tempo of the game.


Zimmer has to go.

As for Parcells, I think he gets another year with a new DC. Bill has done a tremendous job in rebuilding this franchise to the point where we perennially contend for a playoff berth. If he can't get us to the next level, though then we need to look for a more viable replacement. I'm willing to give him 2007.

 

[ravidubey]

 

[theogt]

My problem with GROZ is that I don't know if it's Zimmer or if it's Parcells that is the problem. Obviously there's a problem, and a lot of them tend to be "characteristics" of Parcells. Still, I just don't know who to blame.

 

[TheEnigma]

My problem with GROZ is that I don't know if it's Zimmer or if it's Parcells that is the problem. Obviously there's a problem, and a lot of them tend to be "characteristics" of Parcells. Still, I just don't know who to blame.

Thats exactly how I'm feeling right now. And the problem is, a change isn't always for the better. Lets say neither Zimmer nor Parcells are here next year, whoever replaces them isn't guaranteed to be better as hard as that sounds right now.

 

[ravidubey]

My problem with GROZ is that I don't know if it's Zimmer or if it's Parcells that is the problem. Obviously there's a problem, and a lot of them tend to be "characteristics" of Parcells. Still, I just don't know who to blame.

Parcells trusted Zimmer in 2003 and the result was an overall success, albeit not as good a success as you may have suspected.

Parcells may occasionally send in high level directives like "be aggressive" or "don't give up anything deep", but it's Zimmer's job to coach and communicate how this is done this to the defensive staff and players and make the right call on the field.

Zimmer has leeway to call some pressure packages and when "be aggressive" is the call the wolves should be unleashed. But we simply see DB's crashing into the middle of the OL. No one is hungry to make the plays on this defense. Players are too content to find someone that will block them and go down. There's little sense of attacking what the opposing offense is trying to do, and that reduces the confidence of the players. When multiple players don't know what down or distance it is, something is very, very wrong.

It's time for a change, and Parcells brings too much to the table to leave. The combo of Zimmer and Parcells is not working, so that leaves Zimmer or the players which have to go. So that really leaves Zimmer.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Against my better judgment and sense of fairness, I'm about to apply for GROZ membership as well.

I'm not as enamoured of the overall defensive 'talent' as some are, but DARN, Bill and Zim should be at least as far along on the installation/ assignment, and 'trust' 3-4 levels as Mangini is in NY in his first year of the new scheme. And there darn well is more defensive talent in Dallas than in NY.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

i dunno what is more lame.

G.R.O.Z., or the need to announce your membership in it in a new thread, when there are a million you could put it in.

 

[superpunk]

My problem with GROZ is that I don't know if it's Zimmer or if it's Parcells that is the problem. Obviously there's a problem, and a lot of them tend to be "characteristics" of Parcells. Still, I just don't know who to blame.

Maybe "Parcells" players don't fit into "Zimmer's" scheme. I know Bradie James doesn't. Bradie needs a new nickname....

 

[Dough Boy]

Against my better judgment and sense of fairness, I'm about to apply for GROZ membership as well.

I'm not as enamoured of the overall defensive 'talent' as some are, but DARN, Bill and Zim should be at least as far along on the installation/ assignment, and 'trust' 3-4 levels as Mangini is in NY in his first year of the new scheme. And there darn well is more defensive talent in Dallas than in NY.

Also, we are one year behind San Diego in implementation but 50 years behind them in effectivenss. I think I'm on board as well. Where do I purchase my ticket. Zim has to go.

 

[iceberg]

well, put me down as one saying zimmer does what he's told to do with the talent he's told to have.

if the "plan" isn't working (and you can see by watching the last month) the plan simply isn't working, do you fire the person trying to execute that plan or get a new plan?

 

[Doomsday]

Dallas defensive rating was also inflated a bit because the offense ran the ball extremely well which kept the defense on the sidelines the majority of the game. Lets not forget how many times this defense was giving up scoring drives right after Dallas took the lead or tied the game up that year. That was one of the reasons for the change in philosophy, it wasnt all roses defensively in 2003.

 

[Doomsday]

Also, we are one year behind San Diego in implementation but 50 years behind them in effectivenss. I think I'm on board as well. Where do I purchase my ticket. Zim has to go.

Clearly SD has outdrafted us and most of the NFL for that matter the last few years.

 

[theogt]

Maybe "Parcells" players don't fit into "Zimmer's" scheme. I know Bradie James doesn't. Bradie needs a new nickname....

Oh man...that's just asking for a photoshop big time. Six bubbles...I can see Parcells, Zimmer, James, Watkins, Davis, and the sixth I guess would be whatever defensive player I was b******* about that week.

 

[windward]

i dunno what is more lame.

G.R.O.Z., or the need to announce your membership in it in a new thread, when there are a million you could put it in.

probably as lame as someone reponding to a thread they consider lame.

 

[ravidubey]

Against my better judgment and sense of fairness, I'm about to apply for GROZ membership as well.

I'm not as enamoured of the overall defensive 'talent' as some are, but DARN, Bill and Zim should be at least as far along on the installation/ assignment, and 'trust' 3-4 levels as Mangini is in NY in his first year of the new scheme. And there darn well is more defensive talent in Dallas than in NY.

The Jets and Chargers are way ahead of us despite having about equal talent. The DE's of both those teams totally outclass ours-- why? Can it be Canty and Spears stink? Or is it deeper than that. Do they simply not know what to do? How is it that neither of Hatcher, Spears, Canty, or Raitliff seemed prepared on a consistent basis? Ferguson learned how to compete at a high level under Groh had Belichek.

Who's teaching the front seven?

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

probably as lame as someone reponding to a thread they consider lame.

well, i guess i'm the only one who thinks it's totally weak to open the forum and see the same thread title by a different poster everyday.

but that's ok.

 

[BLT]

i swear my allegiance to the GROZ army, On my command unleash hell!!!

 

[chinch]

My problem with GROZ is that I don't know if it's Zimmer or if it's Parcells that is the problem. Obviously there's a problem, and a lot of them tend to be "characteristics" of Parcells. Still, I just don't know who to blame.

the problem with GROZ is it's as silly a concept as the idea that tuna is over the hill.

to replace him, with Tuna year-by-year would be almost idiotic at this point, unless romeo c. or the like was available.

 

[windward]

well, put me down as one saying zimmer does what he's told to do with the talent he's told to have.

if the "plan" isn't working (and you can see by watching the last month) the plan simply isn't working, do you fire the person trying to execute that plan or get a new plan?

I understand your point to a certain extent. The problem historically with Zimmer's D is giving up big plays at the most inopportune times. At times it was due to a lack of talent, now, I think it's scheme. This team is getting closer to where we want it to be, and the defense is surprisingly being the major culprit in holding us back.

You could be right, though. This may all be Parcells doing. That's why I'm interested in seeing what we do with a more aggressive DC running our D. If the same results persist and we finish around 10-6 and a wild card again in 07, then we may look to find a head coach that can get us number 6.

 

[theogt]

the problem with GROZ is it's as silly a concept as the idea that tuna is over the hill.

to replace him, with Tuna year-by-year would be almost idiotic at this point, unless romeo c. or the like was available.

I don't think it's silly to desire a better schemed defense. On the few occasions we've seen it this year, it's worked.