Impact of threat of explosive running plays?

[vlad]

Thoughts on impact of the threat of explosive running plays (20+ yards, or maybe even 10+) will have on the offense?

For all the Zeke was strong at, that was not one except his rookie year (at least based on statistics quantitatively and the fact that he had an arguably generational offensive line qualitatively). And coincidentally pollard seems statically to be like league best at it, though that could change with injury and role changes.

Like technically would that open up the short passing game, help the outside WRs because CBs have the concern etc?

Maybe some of you with high level experience (coach, players, etc) can chime in pls?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Thoughts on impact of the threat of explosive running plays (20+ yards, or maybe even 10+) will have on the offense?

For all the Zeke was strong at, that was not one except his rookie year (at least based on statistics quantitatively and the fact that he had an arguably generational offensive line qualitatively). And coincidentally pollard seems statically to be like league best at it, though that could change with injury and role changes.

Like technically would that open up the short passing game, help the outside WRs because CBs have the concern etc

Maybe some of you with high level experience (coach, players, etc) can chime in pls?

What was Zeke strong at? Whatever it was it didnt scare any defense or DC. And it didnt translate into an effective run game when he was in there.

He was great at pas blocking, big whoop, and he was average at short yardage. He was NOT great at short yardage despite what his apologists think.

THAT is the extent of his skills now as a back. FB would be the better task for him if he is going to play in the NFL.

 

[jazzcat22]

What was Zeke strong at? Whatever it was it didnt scare any defense or DC. And it didnt translate into an effective run game when he was in there.

He was great at pas blocking, big whoop, and he was average at short yardage. He was NOT great at short yardage despite what his apologists think.

THAT is the extent of his skills now as a back. FB would be the better task for him if he is going to play in the NFL.

Once again you show your lack of football knowledge.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Once again you show your lack of football knowledge.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Then why is Zeke still unemployed?

DOH!!!!!!!

 

[zrinkill]

 

[jazzcat22]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Then why is Zeke still unemployed?

DOH!!!!!!!

By choice possibly...and why do you care? No one else talks about him but you...obsessed....

 

[CowboyRoy]

By choice possibly...and why do you care? No one else talks about him but you...obsessed....

By choice? BWAAAAAA!!!!

And how about the fact that nobody thinks Zeke is good anymore. Is that possible?

 

[doomsday9084]

Thoughts on impact of the threat of explosive running plays (20+ yards, or maybe even 10+) will have on the offense?

For all the Zeke was strong at, that was not one except his rookie year (at least based on statistics quantitatively and the fact that he had an arguably generational offensive line qualitatively). And coincidentally pollard seems statically to be like league best at it, though that could change with injury and role changes.

Like technically would that open up the short passing game, help the outside WRs because CBs have the concern etc?

Maybe some of you with high level experience (coach, players, etc) can chime in pls?

Just in general, one of the most effective plays a team can run is play action when the down and distance isn't against you. That is to say, 1st and 10, 2nd and 5, etc.

Having a dangerous runner makes those play action plays that much more effective because teams will respect the run option. Not only do you gain from the big plays out of the run game but you create big plays in the pass game and as Jaworski always used to pound home: Big plays means points.

One of the issues I have had with Moore is the lack of plays with the QB under center. This makes life much harder for the RB (be it Pollard or Zeke). That draw out of the gun doesn't let them survey the field or get a running start. Beyond that, it makes play action much less effective.

TLDR: I hope that the Cowboys put Dak under center more like he was earlier in his career. That should help the RB's which should help him.

 

[vlad]

What was Zeke strong at? Whatever it was it didnt scare any defense or DC. And it didnt translate into an effective run game when he was in there.

He was great at pas blocking, big whoop, and he was average at short yardage. He was NOT great at short yardage despite what his apologists think.

THAT is the extent of his skills now as a back. FB would be the better task for him if he is going to play in the NFL.

I'm just trying to be non-inflammatory so we can try to get a CZ thread that doesn't devolve into a Real Housewives of the Dallas Cowboys episode and hope to get the posters I like to hear from on you know imho better quality feedback. This forum, in spite of the mods best efforts and some great posters has been hard to hang on to, for me.

Anyway...I appreciate @doomsday9084 trying LOL.

 

[vlad]

Just in general, one of the most effective plays a team can run is play action when the down and distance isn't against you. That is to say, 1st and 10, 2nd and 5, etc.

Having a dangerous runner makes those play action plays that much more effective because teams will respect the run option. Not only do you gain from the big plays out of the run game but you create big plays in the pass game and as Jaworski always used to pound home: Big plays means points.

One of the issues I have had with Moore is the lack of plays with the QB under center. This makes life much harder for the RB (be it Pollard or Zeke). That draw out of the gun doesn't let them survey the field or get a running start. Beyond that, it makes play action much less effective.

TLDR: I hope that the Cowboys put Dak under center more like he was earlier in his career. That should help the RB's which should help him.

I do feel like every oc could just strip it down to play action too, at least give defense a hesitation if not false step but you know I’m a keyboard warrior. Always wondered why ppl speak of the genius of Shannahan but then just live in shotgun.

I’d be lying I’d personallyi didn’t think zeke was an anchor for most of his career. Looking back at his stats at heat supports that thought, “ Meat on the bone” comes to mind, shot out to Randle lol.

 

[CouchCoach]

Explosive has yet to be shown, he's coming off an injury so until he proves he can scare DC's, they will play the Cowboys as they would normally.

They need to establish this new speed early in the season and make teams nervous about Pollard, Cooks and even Vaughn.

 

[CCBoy]

At least there is a lot of big play magic that is available for use. At a minimum, some of it will work at some point. It has a place in scheme now.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

By choice possibly...and why do you care? No one else talks about him but you...obsessed....

Meanwhile, you're chasing down every thread referencing Zeke and trying to save his honor.

 

[conner01]

Effective running is the key. Breaking off a 20 yard run is great but what changes the defense is consistent effective runs. If you can run 4.5 yards on first consistently then teams will adjust to slow that down. Not to say breaking off a big run doesn’t help but no team can do that all day. But if you can run on first and second and end up 3rd and 2 then teams have to adjust to that and that opens up play action passes

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Then why is Zeke still unemployed?

DOH!!!!!!!

Same reason several other vet RB are unemployed. The RB market has been devalued.

 

[jazzcat22]

Meanwhile, you're chasing down every thread referencing Zeke and trying to save his honor.

No I am not. I try to stay out of the threads and posts most of the time. Because I know how stupid they are.
What is the laughing emoji, oh laughing at yourself. You cherry pick a few posts and claim it is every time.
Once again proving the stalking. I do not see you doing this to others.

I can’t help I am correct and you are not.

 

[Hadenough]

Thoughts on impact of the threat of explosive running plays (20+ yards, or maybe even 10+) will have on the offense?

For all the Zeke was strong at, that was not one except his rookie year (at least based on statistics quantitatively and the fact that he had an arguably generational offensive line qualitatively). And coincidentally pollard seems statically to be like league best at it, though that could change with injury and role changes.

Like technically would that open up the short passing game, help the outside WRs because CBs have the concern etc?

Maybe some of you with high level experience (coach, players, etc) can chime in pls?

I'm not sure Callahan wasn't more valuable than Zeke. Once he left the running game was never the same. He's in Cleveland and they are one of the better running teams in the league.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm just trying to be non-inflammatory so we can try to get a CZ thread that doesn't devolve into a Real Housewives of the Dallas Cowboys episode and hope to get the posters I like to hear from on you know imho better quality feedback. This forum, in spite of the mods best efforts and some great posters has been hard to hang on to, for me.

Anyway...I appreciate @doomsday9084 trying LOL.

So you agree?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Same reason several other vet RB are unemployed. The RB market has been devalued.

There are probably 4 reasons:

1. They know Zeke is washed up after playing against him the last several years
2. Zeke is over valuing himself and wants more money than he is worth
3. He still thinks he is a great back and wants a starting role.
4. It was GREAT year for backs in the draft and in FA and anyone that needed one were able to get them cheap.

By the way.....................lots of FA backs have been signed. But its been for not a lot of money.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Thoughts on impact of the threat of explosive running plays (20+ yards, or maybe even 10+) will have on the offense?

For all the Zeke was strong at, that was not one except his rookie year (at least based on statistics quantitatively and the fact that he had an arguably generational offensive line qualitatively). And coincidentally pollard seems statically to be like league best at it, though that could change with injury and role changes.

Like technically would that open up the short passing game, help the outside WRs because CBs have the concern etc?

Maybe some of you with high level experience (coach, players, etc) can chime in pls?

I would certainly hope that MM utilizes the short passing game and especially RBs coming out of the backfield. Pollard and Deuce are game breakers if you get them the ball on a flat or screen. Let them do their thang. Even the threat of those plays puts a lot of pressure on the DBs and LBs which could open it up downfield for Lamb, Cooks, Gallup and co. I am hoping MM is a smarter and more tactical playcaller than KM. Plays setting up other plays and keep attacking the weakness of a defense.