Important strategic questions to guide draft decisions this week

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It’s no secret the Dallas Cowboys have roster needs at multiple positions. RB, DT, WR, OL, Secondary, LB…it’s almost everywhere. With the all important draft this week, my hope is that our FO follow a wise strategic path and not reach for positions or pet cats as most fans do, lol. Getting this draft right will dictate a lot not only this season but in a few seasons ahead as well.

So here are some guiding questions that might be helpful in making some key decisions during the upcoming draft:
  • What type of team are we trying to be and does this player fit that philosophy?
  • (For round 1-3 players) Can this player start and have impact immediately or will he need more developmental time?
  • (In each round) What player is rated highest on our board and does he make sense at this moment?
  • Using our scouting system, player evaluations and draft board ratings, which position of need has the deepest number of impact players?
  • Using the above thinking, here’s an example question: If the RB position (or WR, DT, OL etc) is deep, can we get a comparable player in the next round or pick at the same position?
  • Are we potentially missing a great player because we are too focused on a position?
  • Before trading down in round one, ask the question, “Are we missing a great player only to settle for a good player?”
These are just a few of the many questions all NFL executives likely ask themselves before and during a draft. I hope the Cowboys FO has a clear idea of what kind of team they are trying to be and draft the best players that fit that vision. It hasn’t always been obvious what kind of team we’re trying build here.

When I read much of what’s on the draft forum here, many fans are zeroed in on a pet cat or a position that needs to be drafted in certain rounds.Thats ok, that’s what we as fans do. But I think good NFL front office people do their homework, follow their draft board and never get locked in on certain players.

Here’s to a great draft this weekend!
 
Personally I think it should be seen as a two year rebuild but I’m sure they don’t see it that way, and no one in the building dare say it that way.

Add those final skill player pieces Jerry. You’re close, remember?

Would be typical of this team to pass on Warren for McMillan or Golden since they overdrafted Schoonmaker. They allow one mistake to allow the next. The big bag to Osa and the first on Mazi seals the deal on DT. Watch how that goes.

Rather have a top TE than a WR2 at 12, although he may not even be there. Build the middle of the defense from there.

Doesn’t seem like a great draft to me overall though. There’s usually some very good players around into the 20s and it feels as if there won’t even be much there by 12.
 
Personally I think it should be seen as a two year rebuild but I’m sure they don’t see it that way, and no one in the building dare say it that way.

Add those final skill player pieces Jerry. You’re close, remember?

Would be typical of this team to pass on Warren for McMillan or Golden since they overdrafted Schoonmaker. They allow one mistake to allow the next. The big bag to Osa and the first on Mazi seals the deal on DT. Watch how that goes.

Rather have a top TE than a WR2 at 12, although he may not even be there. Build the middle of the defense from there.

Doesn’t seem like a great draft to me overall though. There’s usually some very good players around into the 20s and it feels as if there won’t even be much there by 12.
Good points.

This is an interesting draft. There doesn’t seem to be a super deep set of players that are classic first rounders after say the first ten. I’m usually leery of drafting a player in round one that fits a need but a comparable one can be found in round 2.

Which is why I hope if the Cowboys stay at 12, I hope they draft BPA because our needs are so wide. Drafting a WR at 12 (and I know we need one) is ok IF there’s not a much better player sitting there at another position.
 
It’s no secret the Dallas Cowboys have roster needs at multiple positions. RB, DT, WR, OL, Secondary, LB…it’s almost everywhere. With the all important draft this week, my hope is that our FO follow a wise strategic path and not reach for positions or pet cats as most fans do, lol. Getting this draft right will dictate a lot not only this season but in a few seasons ahead as well.

So here are some guiding questions that might be helpful in making some key decisions during the upcoming draft:
  • What type of team are we trying to be and does this player fit that philosophy?
  • (For round 1-3 players) Can this player start and have impact immediately or will he need more developmental time?
  • (In each round) What player is rated highest on our board and does he make sense at this moment?
  • Using our scouting system, player evaluations and draft board ratings, which position of need has the deepest number of impact players?
  • Using the above thinking, here’s an example question: If the RB position (or WR, DT, OL etc) is deep, can we get a comparable player in the next round or pick at the same position?
  • Are we potentially missing a great player because we are too focused on a position?
  • Before trading down in round one, ask the question, “Are we missing a great player only to settle for a good player?”
These are just a few of the many questions all NFL executives likely ask themselves before and during a draft. I hope the Cowboys FO has a clear idea of what kind of team they are trying to be and draft the best players that fit that vision. It hasn’t always been obvious what kind of team we’re trying build here.

When I read much of what’s on the draft forum here, many fans are zeroed in on a pet cat or a position that needs to be drafted in certain rounds.Thats ok, that’s what we as fans do. But I think good NFL front office people do their homework, follow their draft board and never get locked in on certain players.

Here’s to a great draft this weekend!
From the list of visitors they’ve brought in it looks like RB, WR, DT, and Corner are the priorities. Now it’s just which round and which ones. Just give me football players please. I remember years ago them drafting DeMarco and at the time I was kind of meh, as he was injured a lot in college. Then the more I studied him the more excited I got about the pick.

I love post draft and all the post we will see about the draft class. That’s the most fun part to me. The players we know are going to be here.
 
Based on past performance, those are the type of questions that are uncomfortable to ask because the honest answers are so difficult to take.

They have no idea as to what kind of team they want to be and they typically go with the flavor of the day.....if that day was two years ago.

They like to go for "deals" and often take risks, particularly in the 2nd round. One of their less impressive ideas is to take a player recovering from a serious injury that would have been a "top 5" pick if he was completely healthy.

Their contribution are not immediate and often non-existent.

They also like the physical specimens that would make elite football players....if they knew how to play football.

Taking developmental players in the 1st to 3nd rounds is the opposite of contributing immediately.

Personally, I think they are missing out on great teams because they are too focused on great players. Trading down gives the Cowboys additional picks.

Therefore, it is more of a choice between a great player or two good players if it is determined that their original pick should probably be a great player.

According to many, this draft is weak and the great players will be gone after about pick #7 compared to last year which may have been around pick #15. So it might be a choice between one very good player or two good players.

Semantics, I know. Still, I would agree with you and spend pick #12 if I trusted Cowboys management to make the proper selection.

I don't.
 
So here are some guiding questions that might be helpful in making some key decisions during the upcoming draft:
  • What type of team are we trying to be and does this player fit that philosophy?
  • (For round 1-3 players) Can this player start and have impact immediately or will he need more developmental time?
  • (In each round) What player is rated highest on our board and does he make sense at this moment?
  • Using our scouting system, player evaluations and draft board ratings, which position of need has the deepest number of impact players?
  • Using the above thinking, here’s an example question: If the RB position (or WR, DT, OL etc) is deep, can we get a comparable player in the next round or pick at the same position?
  • Are we potentially missing a great player because we are too focused on a position?
  • Before trading down in round one, ask the question, “Are we missing a great player only to settle for a good player?”
It is interesting to look at the strategies the best GM's employ. There is a *disclaimer I will add at the end.

Bill Veach:
As for the actual draft itself, Kansas City has been successful in going with the conventional “best player available” route. With the centerpiece of the team in quarterback Patrick Mahomes already in place for many years to come, Veach says the Chiefs can focus on filling the roster with talented football players instead of prioritizing need — most of the time.

“We’re looking for good football players and we’re also looking for a room fit, a cultural fit, and how they fit with our coaching staff,” Veach responded when asked what the team considers before drafting a player. “There are so many things that we take into consideration. Every year, when you have these drafts and you see whether it be a mock draft or guys listed on the board, I think people tend to forget that there’s a lot of dialogue. It’s not like, ‘Chiefs like smaller receivers.’ But don't reach for a position of need if a superior athlete is available. Take the best player."

Howie Roseman:
"People can overthink the draft process. Take that risk if you believe the athlete is top tier. Don't take an inferior player at a position if that means you pass up a great athlete. Some call this the 'best player available' strategy. You will have more hits than misses--don't pass up a great athlete. Trust your coaches to turn that player into NFL material."

While there are some posters here that have openly said the BPA strategy is not employed and is stupid (including posters I have a lot of respect for on this forum), this shows that two of the best GM's over the past ten years certainly employ this strategy often.

Now for the *disclaimer. Veach and Roseman have built teams that have fewer holes to fill than teams like the Giants, Browns, Jets, Jags, etc. Bottom feeding teams might not have a choice but to fill a glaring weakness or five. Teams like KC, Philly, Detroit, Baltimore, may have a hole to fill, a starter to upgrade...then backfill for depth and development players. And then there are teams like the Cowboys. We do have talent, despite some of the doom and gloom seen here. But we are in that tough middle ground where you see a weak spot that may have lingered for a few years (run defense) or need to keep building a position group (o-line) that is vital to team success. Do we have the luxury of drafting a superior athlete over a lesser player that fills an immediate need? This is a tough question.

Two examples to look at. The Chiefs needed a center. Creed Humphrey has a draft profile score of 6.26, meaning he would become an average starter. His next gen score was 84--good player, nothing more. While there were better players on the board, Reid and Veach didn't see a better athlete lineman there, so they took Humphrey. Worked out great, as he's the best center in the game. The Eagles didn't need a center, and in the 6th round Jason Kelce was sitting there waiting to be taken. Who in their right mind would take a 280 lb center, especially if one wasn't needed? But they were looking for o-line depth, and saw his insanely good athletic score, second-best out of all OL at the combine. Roseman, consulting with Howard Mudd (Kelce could be the next Jeff Saturday, another undersized center) pulled the trigger because he wasn't letting that kind of athlete hang out there. The rest became history.

Of course, one can point to failures of this strategy too. We've seen superior athletes flame out and not make the cut. But if two of the best in the business are more than willing to employ BPA, who am I to argue? Is it right for us this draft? I don't know.
 
i think bobbyhaze is one of the best here, and also other people in this particular thread are equally great.

but these posts drag on waaaay waaay too long. Can I get a 3 sentence summary from anyone?
 
a lot of tough question bob, it all starts to me with the head coach and his philosophy he has for this team, and the assistants he's brought in (we can exclude Jerry/Son for right now). What kind of program does he want, he said they need to be more physical, i'm hoping they attack those kinds of players in evaluating. Don't reach, look at Mazi/Guyton, it's time to find guys that can come in and play right now
 
i think bobbyhaze is one of the best here, and also other people in this particular thread are equally great.

but these posts drag on waaaay waaay too long. Can I get a 3 sentence summary from anyone?
Maybe you should go to the chat, you'll find shorter much detailed info on there for ya my pal!!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
Based on past performance, those are the type of questions that are uncomfortable to ask because the honest answers are so difficult to take.

They have no idea as to what kind of team they want to be and they typically go with the flavor of the day.....if that day was two years ago.

They like to go for "deals" and often take risks, particularly in the 2nd round. One of their less impressive ideas is to take a player recovering from a serious injury that would have been a "top 5" pick if he was completely healthy.

Their contribution are not immediate and often non-existent.

They also like the physical specimens that would make elite football players....if they knew how to play football.

Taking developmental players in the 1st to 3nd rounds is the opposite of contributing immediately.

Personally, I think they are missing out on great teams because they are too focused on great players. Trading down gives the Cowboys additional picks.

Therefore, it is more of a choice between a great player or two good players if it is determined that their original pick should probably be a great player.

According to many, this draft is weak and the great players will be gone after about pick #7 compared to last year which may have been around pick #15. So it might be a choice between one very good player or two good players.

Semantics, I know. Still, I would agree with you and spend pick #12 if I trusted Cowboys management to make the proper selection.

I don't.
Well said plastic. I don’t trust this FO either. Just hoping we get lucky. Our best hope until there’s big changes at the top is to have Lady Luck have sweet mercy on this fan base.
 
..geez, IDK bullet. I'm just hoping we can get at least two home runs in this draft.

Where we can really use the help. RB and Safety.
 
Well said plastic. I don’t trust this FO either. Just hoping we get lucky. Our best hope until there’s big changes at the top is to have Lady Luck have sweet mercy on this fan base.
LOL....agreed.

Still, I wish fans could depend on a better strategy than the fact that even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
 
It is interesting to look at the strategies the best GM's employ. There is a *disclaimer I will add at the end.

Bill Veach:
As for the actual draft itself, Kansas City has been successful in going with the conventional “best player available” route. With the centerpiece of the team in quarterback Patrick Mahomes already in place for many years to come, Veach says the Chiefs can focus on filling the roster with talented football players instead of prioritizing need — most of the time.

“We’re looking for good football players and we’re also looking for a room fit, a cultural fit, and how they fit with our coaching staff,” Veach responded when asked what the team considers before drafting a player. “There are so many things that we take into consideration. Every year, when you have these drafts and you see whether it be a mock draft or guys listed on the board, I think people tend to forget that there’s a lot of dialogue. It’s not like, ‘Chiefs like smaller receivers.’ But don't reach for a position of need if a superior athlete is available. Take the best player."

Howie Roseman:
"People can overthink the draft process. Take that risk if you believe the athlete is top tier. Don't take an inferior player at a position if that means you pass up a great athlete. Some call this the 'best player available' strategy. You will have more hits than misses--don't pass up a great athlete. Trust your coaches to turn that player into NFL material."

While there are some posters here that have openly said the BPA strategy is not employed and is stupid (including posters I have a lot of respect for on this forum), this shows that two of the best GM's over the past ten years certainly employ this strategy often.

Now for the *disclaimer. Veach and Roseman have built teams that have fewer holes to fill than teams like the Giants, Browns, Jets, Jags, etc. Bottom feeding teams might not have a choice but to fill a glaring weakness or five. Teams like KC, Philly, Detroit, Baltimore, may have a hole to fill, a starter to upgrade...then backfill for depth and development players. And then there are teams like the Cowboys. We do have talent, despite some of the doom and gloom seen here. But we are in that tough middle ground where you see a weak spot that may have lingered for a few years (run defense) or need to keep building a position group (o-line) that is vital to team success. Do we have the luxury of drafting a superior athlete over a lesser player that fills an immediate need? This is a tough question.

Two examples to look at. The Chiefs needed a center. Creed Humphrey has a draft profile score of 6.26, meaning he would become an average starter. His next gen score was 84--good player, nothing more. While there were better players on the board, Reid and Veach didn't see a better athlete lineman there, so they took Humphrey. Worked out great, as he's the best center in the game. The Eagles didn't need a center, and in the 6th round Jason Kelce was sitting there waiting to be taken. Who in their right mind would take a 280 lb center, especially if one wasn't needed? But they were looking for o-line depth, and saw his insanely good athletic score, second-best out of all OL at the combine. Roseman, consulting with Howard Mudd (Kelce could be the next Jeff Saturday, another undersized center) pulled the trigger because he wasn't letting that kind of athlete hang out there. The rest became history.

Of course, one can point to failures of this strategy too. We've seen superior athletes flame out and not make the cut. But if two of the best in the business are more than willing to employ BPA, who am I to argue? Is it right for us this draft? I don't know.
Excellent post. Really well laid out. The BPA vs draft by need is always an interesting discussion. It usually is a little of both but this year, with the Cowboys having so many needs, a BPA approach in rounds 1-2 makes a lot of sense.

Just a side note, chiefs GM is Brett Veach, not Bill.
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