Impressive group of rookies

[blueblood70]

IMO, it’s way too early to know much about these guys because training camp and ps games are not good indicators of real NFL action. History says only 2-3 of these guys will see lots of meaningful downs this year. Tyler Smith, Tolbert and Ferguson will play a lot. Those other guys probably more STs and occasional situations. Turpin has a chance to make some big ST plays.

I’m in agreement that there’s talent and potential there but until they face real game action, I don’t know how we can proclaim them more than having lots of potential. As the great Darrell Royal used to say, “Potential means you ain’t done it yet.”

Turpins not rookie, hes a FA IMHO
one of the older WRs on our team lol..just because its his first stint in the NFL doesn't mean hes a rookie from my perspective. Tyler Smith, and Ferguson AND Sam Williams will get a lot of snaps.

however, those that keep chirping out Tolbert, not sure hes done anything ive seen that deems him ready for regular snaps..i can see Lamb, Brown, Turpin, and Pollard getting far more targets with a heavy run game and PA pass with 2 TE sets mixed in and keeps Tolbert off the field until Gallup comes by game 4.

you have to roll with strengths,

i see the run game, Tight end group, Lamb ,and our gadget guys from the slot (pollard, Turpin) are far better than using a rookie WR who doesn't seem ready.

 

[J-man]

Smith, Williams, Tolbert, Ferguson, Bland, Turpin, Bell, Houston,Hendershot, and Malik Davis. Who are you most impressed with? This is an outstanding group.

I have high hopes for Smith becoming a stud for us.
I think they may have struck gold on Williams, Ferguson and Bland.
I can't call Turpin a rookie because of his experience, but he looks like a great pick up.

Houston. Bell, Hendershot and Davis all look to be NFL caliber players that will make us much deeper. I could see all of them being on this team in the future. But unfortunately due to numbers, most of them probably won't make the 53 and some of them will be claimed/poached.

 

[jterrell]

Smith, Williams, Tolbert, Ferguson, Bland, Turpin, Bell, Houston,Hendershot, and Malik Davis. Who are you most impressed with? This is an outstanding group.

MOST impressed by Bland because I had no expectations for him but he passed Joseph easily to CB4. Looks like a 5-6 year option as slot CB.

Smith is what I thought he was, which scares me to death because I didn't think he was a LT. But I do think he has enormous upside.
Williams is just so strong. Ahead of where DLaw was entering league but similar guys. Can def help day 1.

Tolbert, Hendershot, Houston and Davis are going to have to show me something in a regular season game.

Front office has done a good job with this team building even as they take shots from all comers.
This is a very good young roster.
Should surprise as year goes on because young guys improve.

 

[jterrell]

Turpins not rookie, hes a FA IMHO
one of the older WRs on our team lol..just because its his first stint in the NFL doesn't mean hes a rookie from my perspective. Tyler Smith, and Ferguson AND Sam Williams will get a lot of snaps.

however, those that keep chirping out Tolbert, not sure hes done anything ive seen that deems him ready for regular snaps..i can see Lamb, Brown, Turpin, and Pollard getting far more targets with a heavy run game and PA pass with 2 TE sets mixed in and keeps Tolbert off the field until Gallup comes by game 4.

you have to roll with strengths,

i see the run game, Tight end group, Lamb ,and our gadget guys from the slot (pollard, Turpin) are far better than using a rookie WR who doesn't seem ready.

Def not a trad rookie but an NFL rookie nonetheless same Roger Staubach was.

 

[jazzcat22]

Ask this again around Week 8 after we've seen them in real games.

Half of those guys won't even see much action between now and then.

The Tom Landry 3 year rule will come into play on most of them, if not all. Even with the high potential of Sam Williams, is still a wait and see in a way.
However,
Is that 3 year rule still a good gage? I mean players coming out of college are much better prepared now, if from the top programs, or if a smaller school if they have a great coaching staff.
Also they are working out just about year round. So how does that effect that 3 year rule of thumb also.

 

[blueblood70]

Def not a trad rookie but an NFL rookie nonetheless same Roger Staubach was.

No the same at all..RS went into the military, Turpin's played semi pro and pro ball; thats huge difference in experience as Turpin has played year-round, whomever would take him the last few years. now Herchel walker came from the uslf ,lets hope that somehow translates LOL

 

[xwalker]

The other thing to remember about watching rookies in August- pre-season games are like watching Junior Varsity games and regular season games are like varsity. In JV games, you can see talent and potential but the competition is not the same as the next level.

Over 90% of ps game snaps are played against backups and almost 50% of those snaps are against guys who won’t even be playing in the NFL. Yes it’s cool to see the raw ability and potential of of our rookies. Many of them look dynamic and have lots of upside. But it’s not the same as facing Aaron Donald, Von Miller or Patrick Mahomes in a real game.

Just keeping it real.

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select: Charles Cross, Offensive Tackle Mississippi State

 

[fredp22]

Mukuamu also stood out to me. I know hes injured and behind Kearse on the depth chart but think he'll be with the team a while. Plays well in Quinns system. Wouldnt be surprised if we also dont
see him moved or at least tried at cb

 

[Manster68]

Rookie crops almost always sound impressive before the real games start. We've seen them dominate future practice squad players all preseason long.

Let's see what Tolbert does against your average NFL starting CB.

Let's watch Tyler Smith battle an experienced Pro Bowl defensive lineman.

How will Sam Williams look going against one of those massive NFL starting LT's?

Will these rookie TE's impress against NFL LBers patrolling the middle of the field?

Will Turpin survive the season against Special Teams headhunters that outweigh him, some by as much as 100 LBS?

The Cowboys had an impressive group of rookies in 1975 when they reached the Super Bowl. They got 14 total Pro Bowl seasons out of the class of 2005. They paved the way to three Super Bowls with the class of 1989.

The degree to which they impress is measured by how far their team advances by the end of the next couple of
seasons.

To me, the last three drafts and UDFAs hauls have been quite impressive.
I also cannot get over how 14 of the last 19 1st round picks (going back to Roy Williams in 2002) have been to a Pro Bowl - and 8 of them named 1st Team All Pro at least once.
From 1978 to 1987, Dallas got virtually nothing in the draft.
From 1988 to 1994, Dallas got 4 Hall of Famers (possibly a 5th if Woodson can get in).
From 1995 to 2001, Dallas got nothing except for Ellis, Flo Adams, and Coakley.
From 2002 to the Present, Dallas' drafts have been much better except for a few seasons here and there.
Why have Dallas' drafting improved? My opinion, it all starts with Bill Parcells. He taught the Jones' and others what to look for in players. Here it is 20 years later and Dallas still brings in a higher percentage of quality players than anytime in the past 45 to 50 years or so.

 

[rambo2]

The Tom Landry 3 year rule will come into play on most of them, if not all. Even with the high potential of Sam Williams, is still a wait and see in a way.
However,
Is that 3 year rule still a good gage? I mean players coming out of college are much better prepared now, if from the top programs, or if a smaller school if they have a great coaching staff.
Also they are working out just about year round. So how does that effect that 3 year rule of thumb also.

Tom Landry is dead and the league is totally different in the modern era. You need to get as many young players as you can and lock them up on rookie contracts, which is what they are doing. The more youth that you have the better you will be as the older players break down. Players are just like cars, new ones are dependable and run better, old ones break down on the side of the road and get towed to the shop.

 

[Pass2Run]

Been more impressed with the UDFAs....than this draft class. Smith and Tolbert....super disappointing.

What about Smith disappoints you?

 

[Bobhaze]

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NFL draft, the Seattle Seahawks select: Charles Cross, Offensive Tackle Mississippi State

?? Isn’t he a rookie too?

 

[Jake]

I certainly liked some of what I saw in preseason, but before calling them an "impressive group" I'm going to need to see them play in real games.

 

[Jipper]

I certainly liked some of what I saw in preseason, but before calling them an "impressive group" I'm going to need to see them play in real games.

agreed, but for a team that was very much questioned for how they drafted this year it certainly bodes well.

 

[Floatyworm]

What about Smith disappoints you?

He holds on every play.....and I mean every play. Don't be shocked when he gets flagged 4 or 5 times vs the Bucs.

 

[xwalker]

?? Isn’t he a rookie too?

Over 90% of ps game snaps are played against backups and almost 50% of those snaps are against guys who won’t even be playing in the NFL.
Just keeping it real.

Charles Cross is the starting LT for the Seahawks. Not a backup or guy that won't be playing in the NFL.

 

[Bobhaze]

Charles Cross is the starting LT for the Seahawks. Not a backup or guy that won't be playing in the NFL.

I understand and respect that- he’s a starter. But he’s also still a rookie. Just like our Tyler Smith. We don’t really know yet what these guys are until they have faced a lot of NFL regular season moments against veteran talent. IMO.

 

[Macnalty]

I'm not ready with the pedestal yet, but I will be first in line to put Sam Williams up there if he continues his current learning curve. TSmith is a project, I wish he was better but when you pick in that position you get projects. Let them earn your awe and respect. We have been blessed these last couple of drafts with all pro picks, I fear this year might break that trend. No all pros like Cedee and Micah, but more journeymen in 2022. If the Oline can keep the penalties down (big if), the QB vertical, and Zeke holds on to his talent for blocking another season we should see an uptick when Gallup gets back on the field. The only easy day was yesterday.

 

[plasticman]

To me, the last three drafts and UDFAs hauls have been quite impressive.
I also cannot get over how 14 of the last 19 1st round picks (going back to Roy Williams in 2002) have been to a Pro Bowl - and 8 of them named 1st Team All Pro at least once.
From 1978 to 1987, Dallas got virtually nothing in the draft.
From 1988 to 1994, Dallas got 4 Hall of Famers (possibly a 5th if Woodson can get in).
From 1995 to 2001, Dallas got nothing except for Ellis, Flo Adams, and Coakley.
From 2002 to the Present, Dallas' drafts have been much better except for a few seasons here and there.
Why have Dallas' drafting improved? My opinion, it all starts with Bill Parcells. He taught the Jones' and others what to look for in players. Here it is 20 years later and Dallas still brings in a higher percentage of quality players than anytime in the past 45 to 50 years or so.

Tom Landry is dead and the league is totally different in the modern era. You need to get as many young players as you can and lock them up on rookie contracts, which is what they are doing. The more youth that you have the better you will be as the older players break down. Players are just like cars, new ones are dependable and run better, old ones break down on the side of the road and get towed to the shop.

If the league is totally different then why is it that, to this day, half of what I see on TV during an NFL game was invented by Tom Landry?

That includes passing from the shotgun, the 4-3 defense. offensive pre-snap motion, and even scouting opponent teams. Tom Landry invented the coaching position called Quality Control. It was basically his job to scout the opponents and report on tendencies, roster changes, injuries, etc.

For 20 consecutive seasons the Dallas Cowboys had a winning record. They went to five Super Bowls and won two.

I'm not trying to justify Tom Landry's significance; I absolutely don't have to do that. I'm explaining why the Cowboys had a dry spell in the 80's when it came to drafting.

Twenty consecutive winning seasons means drafting in the lowest quarter of each round for 20 years.

Five SB's means that 5 of 20 or 25% of the time the Cowboys had the last or next to last pick in each round of the draft.

It's true that Landry is dead as you put it. However, he is remembered but not remembered enough by those that would try to imitate his achievements. They look at the results without paying attention to his methods.

I know one coach in this league that didn't. Bill Belicek was a great admirer of Tom Landry to the point where he incorporates a lot of Landry's philosophy and methods. It seems to have worked out well for him.

 

[DFWJC]

Smith, Williams, Tolbert, Ferguson, Bland, Turpin, Bell, Houston,Hendershot, and Malik Davis. Who are you most impressed with? This is an outstanding group.

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