Initial Observations on the Rookie Mini-Camp

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Just piecing together various reports, Wade's PC, etc.

(Long post.)

* Firstly, thankfully no players were seriously injured when the practice facility collapsed. Buehler had a few stiches in his knee and a concussion, but fortunately, nothing more serious.

* Hopefully, Coach D recovers soon. I think it was a good sign he was initially walking around and was talking. I'm hoping he'll be fine in a couple of months.

* McGee seems to have turned a few heads, according to various reports. In one of the session workouts, McGee only missed one pass. That pass was thrown low to the WR's foot, but the catch was made anyway. I think it's tremendous that we're getting ahead of the game and developing a young, promising QB. Several reports highlighted McGee's leadership qualities this mini-camp, specifically the way he carries himself in the huddle and outside of the huddle. He seems to have a bit of charisma. On the other hand, Carpenter is basically going to give the other QBs a chance to rest their arms during TC.

* I'm not sure whether M Johnson or Ogletree will make the 53 man squad this year, but I think that they will make a strong case to develop on the PS, regardless. During this mini-camp, both players seemed to catch the ball well. There were reports that M Johnson had trouble shedding Mickens on several plays during the Saturday session, I believe, but I think both these WRs are fairly athletic and have good hands. IMO, we'll only keep 5 WRs this year, so Stanback, T Wilson, M Johnson, and Ogletree will be competing for that one spot.

* As for Brewster, most of the work the OL did was mostly in drills rather than hitting, but Brewster did move well for a man his size (about 325 lbs). He seems to have good footwork. Now, he'll have to work on his strength, but that is doable. Strength can always be developed, as long as the player puts in the work. But with having natural feet, I think you either have that or you don't. Of course, footwork can be improved with practice, but I'd imagine it's easier to build strength rather than compensate for heavy feet. If Brewster can develop and play RT and OG, that would be huge for us, esp in one to two years from now.

* I think one of the main highlights of the rookie mini-camps was the play of the Secondary draft picks, including Mickens, D Smith, and Hamlin. From all accounts, these guys can at least catch the football. In several reports, during one of the sessions, these three guys didn't drop one football in the drills. Maybe that shouldn't be surprising as all three of these guys made a ton on interceptions in college, but still, it's definitely good news given how many "sure" interceptions we dropped last season. In addition, QBs McGee and Carpenter had to continuously check down because of the great coverage the three Secondary players were making.

* I'm glad Mickens was able to go through the workouts - and apparently without any problems. In addition, in the one on one drills versus M Johnson, M Johnson couldn't get any separation. This guy can end up being a huge steal for us. Mickens said that before his injury, and I believe in his soph year in college, he was running a 4.41 in the 40, so he's plenty fast when healthy. He ran around a 4.53 leading up to the Draft, but that time is misleading, IMO. Mickens is much faster than that - when healthy.

* On to the LBs . . . . Hodge will be playing ILB in Wade's scheme. (Hodge thought he would be playing OLB when he arrived.) I think Hodge will have the ability to be a good nickel LB in time and an excellent STs player. He was doing well playing in space during the mini-camp. In fact, in one of the workout sessions, he pitched a shutout. I'd have to say that Hodge was also one of the pleasant surprises this mini-camp. You can already tell that Coach D likes him. In addition, Hodge appears to have a very solid built for the position. He's 6' tall, but he weights about 240 lbs. To compare, Brooking is about 6-2, and weighs around 242 lbs, or so. Also, Hodge runs the 40 in around 4.58, though he's been timed as fast as 4.49. Hodge is also a very high energy player, just the type we need on STs, for sure.

As for Vic Butler, there were comments made that he initially looked as good as hoped. Again, he was very productive in college, and he has a good physique for the OLB position with long arms, etc. Several comments were made that something was definitely there to develop with Butler, which is encouraging.

J Williams drew positive comments regarding his athletic skills. He's raw, but he should be molded into exactly what the coaching staff is looking for at the ILB position, though it may take a couple of years. In the meantime, he can play STs and learn his craft.

I don't remember reading much on B Williams, but I'll just add that he's only 20 years old (and turns 21 in June). His 10 yard split is smoking for an OLB. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was faster than Ware's out of college. Williams has a very fast first step and he's got good size, especially for a 20 year old! I really looking forward to watching him progress over the next few years.

* Finally at TE, J Phillips caught the well well, but he's going to have a lot of competition vs. Hannah to make the roster. I think that Hannah, Phillips, and Cricket will be competing for the last couple of roster spots on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if we decide to keep 4 TEs and no FB (maybe one on the PS, just in case), but let's see what happens over the next few months. I think the positive on Phillips is that given his college's pro-style run offense and that Virginia has churned out a couple of other productive TEs in the NFL over the past few years, you know what to expect with Phillips and that his progess should be fairly quick.


To sum it up, I think the Cowboys' brass was very satisfied from what they saw from the rookies this weekend. Each player has been productive in college, and each player seems serious about the business of playing professional football. Many, if not all, of these players are self-starters. You don't need to coax them to work hard. They want to work hard and dedicate themselves to playing football. In my book, that's huge - especially considering that these guys have elite athletic ability as well. When you combine the two, and fingers crossed that they remain healthy, we should come out on top with this year's Draft. I really like how Tom C went about identifying these draft picks.

After learning a bit more about our draft picks, and the initial impressions that they made in the mini-camp, I could really care less what the "mediots" think.
 

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Nice post, thanks.

Phillips was reported to have shown some refinement as a route runner, he put a hesitation move on somebody and lost 'em. If he can block better than Hannah, he might make the team. Can either tackle someone?

Ogletree looked real good ... he had a really great combine including an unofficial 4.37 40, think he was best in one of the cone drills too. There's the injury concern for some. I've read conflicting things about him: he's track-speed-fast but he can't get separation/not a deep threat ... He graduated early and sounds like a good citizen, but one report (collegefootballnews.com) said coaches "were not sad to see him go." Just who is this guy?

I hope Buehler doesn't have any long-term from his concussion. He's going to be running downfield and hitting guys ..

I read that both B. Williams and Butler were working on technique at the two workouts we know about, and didn't work in pass coverage drills like Hodge, So there was less to see of either of them either way ...

The main measurable was how fast these guys ran yesterday when they saw the sky falllng.
 

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Woods;2761550 said:
Just piecing together various reports, Wade's PC, etc.

(Long post.)

* Firstly, thankfully no players were seriously injured when the practice facility collapsed. Buehler had a few stiches in his knee and a concussion, but fortunately, nothing more serious.

* Hopefully, Coach D recovers soon. I think it was a good sign he was initially walking around and was talking. I'm hoping he'll be fine in a couple of months.

* McGee seems to have turned a few heads, according to various reports. In one of the session workouts, McGee only missed one pass. That pass was thrown low to the WR's foot, but the catch was made anyway. I think it's tremendous that we're getting ahead of the game and developing a young, promising QB. Several reports highlighted McGee's leadership qualities this mini-camp, specifically the way he carries himself in the huddle and outside of the huddle. He seems to have a bit of charisma. On the other hand, Carpenter is basically going to give the other QBs a chance to rest their arms during TC.

* I'm not sure whether M Johnson or Ogletree will make the 53 man squad this year, but I think that they will make a strong case to develop on the PS, regardless. During this mini-camp, both players seemed to catch the ball well. There were reports that M Johnson had trouble shedding Mickens on several plays during the Saturday session, I believe, but I think both these WRs are fairly athletic and have good hands. IMO, we'll only keep 5 WRs this year, so Stanback, T Wilson, M Johnson, and Ogletree will be competing for that one spot.

* As for Brewster, most of the work the OL did was mostly in drills rather than hitting, but Brewster did move well for a man his size (about 325 lbs). He seems to have good footwork. Now, he'll have to work on his strength, but that is doable. Strength can always be developed, as long as the player puts in the work. But with having natural feet, I think you either have that or you don't. Of course, footwork can be improved with practice, but I'd imagine it's easier to build strength rather than compensate for heavy feet. If Brewster can develop and play RT and OG, that would be huge for us, esp in one to two years from now.

* I think one of the main highlights of the rookie mini-camps was the play of the Secondary draft picks, including Mickens, D Smith, and Hamlin. From all accounts, these guys can at least catch the football. In several reports, during one of the sessions, these three guys didn't drop one football in the drills. Maybe that shouldn't be surprising as all three of these guys made a ton on interceptions in college, but still, it's definitely good news given how many "sure" interceptions we dropped last season. In addition, QBs McGee and Carpenter had to continuously check down because of the great coverage the three Secondary players were making.

* I'm glad Mickens was able to go through the workouts - and apparently without any problems. In addition, in the one on one drills versus M Johnson, M Johnson couldn't get any separation. This guy can end up being a huge steal for us. Mickens said that before his injury, and I believe in his soph year in college, he was running a 4.41 in the 40, so he's plenty fast when healthy. He ran around a 4.53 leading up to the Draft, but that time is misleading, IMO. Mickens is much faster than that - when healthy.

* On to the LBs . . . . Hodge will be playing ILB in Wade's scheme. (Hodge thought he would be playing OLB when he arrived.) I think Hodge will have the ability to be a good nickel LB in time and an excellent STs player. He was doing well playing in space during the mini-camp. In fact, in one of the workout sessions, he pitched a shutout. I'd have to say that Hodge was also one of the pleasant surprises this mini-camp. You can already tell that Coach D likes him. In addition, Hodge appears to have a very solid built for the position. He's 6' tall, but he weights about 240 lbs. To compare, Brooking is about 6-2, and weighs around 242 lbs, or so. Also, Hodge runs the 40 in around 4.58, though he's been timed as fast as 4.49. Hodge is also a very high energy player, just the type we need on STs, for sure.

As for Vic Butler, there were comments made that he initially looked as good as hoped. Again, he was very productive in college, and he has a good physique for the OLB position with long arms, etc. Several comments were made that something was definitely there to develop with Butler, which is encouraging.

J Williams drew positive comments regarding his athletic skills. He's raw, but he should be molded into exactly what the coaching staff is looking for at the ILB position, though it may take a couple of years. In the meantime, he can play STs and learn his craft.

I don't remember reading much on B Williams, but I'll just add that he's only 20 years old (and turns 21 in June). His 10 yard split is smoking for an OLB. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was faster than Ware's out of college. Williams has a very fast first step and he's got good size, especially for a 20 year old! I really looking forward to watching him progress over the next few years.

* Finally at TE, J Phillips caught the well well, but he's going to have a lot of competition vs. Hannah to make the roster. I think that Hannah, Phillips, and Cricket will be competing for the last couple of roster spots on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if we decide to keep 4 TEs and no FB (maybe one on the PS, just in case), but let's see what happens over the next few months. I think the positive on Phillips is that given his college's pro-style run offense and that Virginia has churned out a couple of other productive TEs in the NFL over the past few years, you know what to expect with Phillips and that his progess should be fairly quick.


To sum it up, I think the Cowboys' brass was very satisfied from what they saw from the rookies this weekend. Each player has been productive in college, and each player seems serious about the business of playing professional football. Many, if not all, of these players are self-starters. You don't need to coax them to work hard. They want to work hard and dedicate themselves to playing football. In my book, that's huge - especially considering that these guys have elite athletic ability as well. When you combine the two, and fingers crossed that they remain healthy, we should come out on top with this year's Draft. I really like how Tom C went about identifying these draft picks.

After learning a bit more about our draft picks, and the initial impressions that they made in the mini-camp, I could really care less what the "mediots" think.

very good read and post
 

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Great thread Woods! Any info/observations on Isdaner and Bright?
 

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BAT;2762740 said:
Great thread Woods! Any info/observations on Isdaner and Bright?

The problem was that in this mini-camp that the OL were doing technique work and not actual hitting, so all you could really look at was the footwork of the OL.

With that in mind, Brewster has good footwork, but Isdaner, for example, has a knock which is lack of great footwork. Islander's strength is his size and ability to (hopefully) provide a push in the running game.

I didn't really hear much about either Isdaner or Bright during this mini-camp.

But just looking at the various scouting reports and draft guides, I think both Isdaner and Bright have a chance to be real NFL prospects. I think the problem that both have with respect to making the Cowboys' roster is that neither seems to have much, if any, experience playing Center. Both these guys already have a bigger size than Proctor, for example, and that's without the benefit in being in an NFL weight training program.

I guess the question is whether one of these guys can also be developed to play Center down the road? If so, I'd think we would stash away at least one of them on the PS.
 

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blandi60;2762750 said:
Thanks for the post Woods - love posts like these.

Thanks very much.

I like putting this stuff together sometimes to just get it all straight in my head. :D There are fortunately a variety of reports to sift through to try and get a better feel for the draft picks and UDFAs.
 

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I think those receivers are competing for two spots, and add Hurd's name to that list..
 

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igtmfo;2761615 said:
Nice post, thanks.

Phillips was reported to have shown some refinement as a route runner, he put a hesitation move on somebody and lost 'em. If he can block better than Hannah, he might make the team. Can either tackle someone?

Ogletree looked real good ... he had a really great combine including an unofficial 4.37 40, think he was best in one of the cone drills too. There's the injury concern for some. I've read conflicting things about him: he's track-speed-fast but he can't get separation/not a deep threat ... He graduated early and sounds like a good citizen, but one report (collegefootballnews.com) said coaches "were not sad to see him go." Just who is this guy?

I hope Buehler doesn't have any long-term from his concussion. He's going to be running downfield and hitting guys ..

I read that both B. Williams and Butler were working on technique at the two workouts we know about, and didn't work in pass coverage drills like Hodge, So there was less to see of either of them either way ...

The main measurable was how fast these guys ran yesterday when they saw the sky falllng.

Ogletree is definitely an interesting prospect.

If we're keeping 3 QBs and 2 Kickers, I really don't think we'll keep more than 5 WRs this year on the 53 man roster (though I'd expect we'd keep 1-2 WRs on the PS). I think Wade will prefer to keep an extra LB over a 6th WR - if only because that LB should provide better coverage on STs.

Assuming RWilliams, Austin, Crayton, and Hurd are all healthy at the end of pre-season (fingers crossed), that last spot will be a spirited competition between Stanback, Ogletree, T Wilson, and M Johnson.

Stanback's advantage is that he's obviously got experience in the offense, he could run a few Wildcat plays (which they did practice last season with Stanback), and he can be used as a kick returner on STs, if necessary. Stanback's negatives are that can he stay healthy and continue to develop?
IMO, Stanback needs to take the next step in his WR development this year. The coaching staff has to believe that there is (much) more upside to tap with him, otherwise I think he'll be gone.

As for T Wilson, I really have no idea what to expect. He was, I believe, a 3rd round draft pick about 3 years or so ago. He seems to have re-dedicated himself and matured a lot as an athlete. I'm sure the talent is there. I definitely wouldn't underestimate Wilson.

As for M Johnson, I see him more as a slot guy. He seems to be able to make the big play as well (at least in college). He has good hands, but he needs to get stronger for sure.

Ogletree has phenominal timed speed and solid hands. He also appears to run good routes. I think he's the type of player who could have put it all together with one more year in college. Many draft guides and scouting reports had him as a solid 4th round pick this year. I guess the knock would be that he yet has to put it all together, and if he didn't do it in college, it's going to be tougher to do that in the pros right away.

Anyway, that's how I see the competition right now.

My guess is that Stanback probably has a leg up today, but that could obviously change very quickly. That last WR spot will be an intense competition.
 

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Thanks Woods. Wilson is a pretty big guy at 6-1 and 210. That should help STs.
 

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Nice rundown, thanks...And for what it's worth, if it truly comes down to those few battling it out for the 5th receiver spot I'd hope that it won't be Stanback...That experiment is over
 
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