Injuries vs. NYFG...

[trickblue]

Although I listened to the last Mick report, I couldn't recap as I had someone in my office...

I haven't seen anything about it here so I will try and remember what Mickey said.

They practiced Hoyte today and told him to go 100%. They also told the LB's to go 100% so they could gauge his progress. Hoyte reported no problems whatsoever. That's a good after losing Anderson.

Stanback suffered a shoulder subluxation (separation) during one of his returns the other night. It did pop back into place which is a good, but he is out against the NYFG.

TG is not even running. It looks as if he could very well be done for the year. The Cowboys don't even have an estimation to when he will practice again.​

 

[Achozen]

I hate that Stanback is out. Hopefully we see Miles Austin back there instead of TT.

 

[trickblue]

I hate that Stanback is out. Hopefully we see Miles Austin back there instead of TT.

Mick said they are looking at Austin and Nate Jones. He said that although not many know, Jones was a very successful returner at Rutgers...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

That's dissappointing about Glenn but I do find it amazing at what they've been able to do in the passing game without him.

 

[LeonDixson]

Stanback suffered a shoulder subluxation (separation) during one of his returns the other night. It did pop back into place which is a good, but he is out against the NYFG.
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I've seen Emmitt Smith, and Stanback is no emmitt smith

 

[trickblue]

That's dissappointing about Glenn but I do find it amazing at what they've been able to do in the passing game without him.

Very true... but it also reiterates the fact we have to be looking at WR in FA or the draft...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Very true... but it also reiterates the fact we have to be looking at WR in FA or the draft...

I wholeheartedly agree with that, I wish Dallas would've drafted a WR in the early rounds this year but I can't remember now who was available. But all in all our draft is looking OK right now, haven't heard much out of Spencer lately since Greg came back, have you?

 

[trickblue]

I wholeheartedly agree with that, I wish Dallas would've drafted a WR in the early rounds this year but I can't remember now who was available. But all in all our draft is looking OK right now, haven't heard much out of Spencer lately since Greg came back, have you?

No... but he is getting reps. Ellis coming back was great news for us as he has experience and Spencer learns while getting playing time. Spencer is going to be a good one... book it...

 

[Royal Laegotti]

No... but he is getting reps. Ellis coming back was great news for us as he has experience and Spencer learns while getting playing time. Spencer is going to be a good one... book it...

That's what I like to hear, (about Spencer). Greg has been great for us since he has come back, he's been far more effective coming off that injury than I thought he would. Thanks!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mick said they are looking at Austin and Nate Jones. He said that although not many know, Jones was a very successful returner at Rutgers...

which is another reason that we kept him over Aaron Glenn

although he's pretty bad, Glenn isn't much better, but the difference is that Jones adds something else, now 2 things, elsewhere, where Glenn added nothing else

 

[Rampage]

just put tt back on the return team but let austin return kicks. i don't wanna have another cb injured

 

[jobberone]

just put tt back on the return team but let austin return kicks. i don't wanna have another cb injured

Good thought. Didn't think about that which says something about Jones and Reeves although Reeves is servicable. I want another CB out there. Do it Jerry.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I wonder it Stanback is just to fragile to take hits in football... he looks like the scarecrow out there

 

[Rack]

[/INDENT] I've seen Emmitt Smith, and Stanback is no emmitt smith

A shoulder subluxation and a separation are not the same thing (eventhough the article stated it is).


A subluxation is when the arm actually pops out of the shoulder and pops back in. A separation is when the AC Joint actually "tears" or "separates" from the shoulder. The AC Joint actually "stretches".

Emmitt had an AC Joint separation. Stanback had a subluxation.

I've also had the separation and played and practiced with it. You don't have to worry about a dislocation cuz that's not what happened in the first place (as is the case with a subluxation , slightly). With me, I was fine getting hit on the shoulder and running. What I couldn't do was raise my hand on that shoulder above my head to catch a pass. I literally lost the strength to "stop" the ball if I had to catch a pass over my head.

Taking a shower was difficult as well. I'd have to lodge my elbow (on the injured shoulder) against the shower wall in order to watch the other side of my upper body. I didn't have the strength to do it any other way. A big PITA.

 

[jobberone]

You can sublux without separating. Subluxation of the shoulder merely means the head of the humerus subluxed out of the glenoid fossa. How that happens determines whether or not there is a concomitant AC separation. There are four degrees of AC separation and three large connective tissues that can be torn with resultant separation of the acromion from the clavicle.

In football the major mechanism of injury is ususally being thrown or falling with force onto the arm. The downward and (other directions of movement/force) can cause the head of the humerus to sublux (almost get out of joint) to dislocate and be out of joint. The same mechanism can tear one to three of those tissues and you can then get an ac tear and separation. Grade one separations are minor and players can play with them and/or often return in a few days to weeks. The worse the separation the worse the pain and usually the worse concomitant damage like a subluxation and/or dislocation. Those are often associated with damage to the fossa and/or the rotator cuff. You can even damage the axillary nerve running to the arm in the armpit.

There's much more to it and I'm just talking off the top of my head. I'm sure an orthopedist could do a better job.

Stanback is giving them a history consistent with a subluxation...it popped out and then popped back in coach.....or they have a test like an MRI or CT that shows damage. Then it's a waiting game to see how well and fast he gets back to normal. If he doesn't then they'll have to go in and look prepared to fix what they can. That's a ways off unless they have significant signs, symptoms and positive testing.

 

[Rack]

You can sublux without separating. Subluxation of the shoulder merely means the head of the humerus subluxed out of the glenoid fossa. How that happens determines whether or not there is a concomitant AC separation. There are four degrees of AC separation and three large connective tissues that can be torn with resultant separation of the acromion from the clavicle.

In football the major mechanism of injury is ususally being thrown or falling with force onto the arm. The downward and (other directions of movement/force) can cause the head of the humerus to sublux (almost get out of joint) to dislocate and be out of joint. The same mechanism can tear one to three of those tissues and you can then get an ac tear and separation. Grade one separations are minor and players can play with them and/or often return in a few days to weeks. The worse the separation the worse the pain and usually the worse concomitant damage like a subluxation and/or dislocation. Those are often associated with damage to the fossa and/or the rotator cuff. You can even damage the axillary nerve running to the arm in the armpit.

There's much more to it and I'm just talking off the top of my head. I'm sure an orthopedist could do a better job.

Stanback is giving them a history consistent with a subluxation...it popped out and then popped back in coach.....or they have a test like an MRI or CT that shows damage. Then it's a waiting game to see how well and fast he gets back to normal. If he doesn't then they'll have to go in and look prepared to fix what they can. That's a ways off unless they have significant signs, symptoms and positive testing.

Actually in AC Joint Separations they are termed as "Types" and there are 6 types of AC Joint Separations.

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The problem with Subluxations is that the problem could become chronic. Meaning that the more it pops out, the easier it'll become to pop out again. But Stanback's wasn't a full out subluxation, it only came out partly then popped back in. That's a good thing.

I'd rather him get fully healthy then to risk him for a measley 2 yards more per return. If they want someone other then TT to do it, give Austin a chance. It wouldn't be a bad thing considering he has returned one for a TD before.

 

[peplaw06]

You can sublux without separating. Subluxation of the shoulder merely means the head of the humerus subluxed out of the glenoid fossa. How that happens determines whether or not there is a concomitant AC separation. There are four degrees of AC separation and three large connective tissues that can be torn with resultant separation of the acromion from the clavicle.

If this was your definition in the pool, you're the winner.

Myself, I had "the extensor carpi radialis brevis tendon has been identified as the primary site of pathological change. There have also been pathological changes found at the extensor digitorum communis, longus and ulnaris tendons."

So close.

 

[kmd24]

which is another reason that we kept him over Aaron Glenn

although he's pretty bad, Glenn isn't much better, but the difference is that Jones adds something else, now 2 things, elsewhere, where Glenn added nothing else

Aaron Glenn has 115 career kickoff returns, including 4 with the Dallas Cowboys. He also has 6 career punt returns.

 

[Rack]

If this was your definition in the pool, you're the winner.

Myself, I had "the extensor carpi radialis brevis tendon has been identified as the primary site of pathological change. There have also been pathological changes found at the extensor digitorum communis, longus and ulnaris tendons."

So close.

I almost went with "the angle of the dangle is adversely proptional to the heat of the meat", but changed my answer at the last second.