Interesting and a possibility

[Clove]

Ngata at NT will be better than Ferguson as a rookie. Not a doubt in my mind.

I like your thinking. I guarantee you that BP will not let the RT position go un-handled,he's not stupid... But he won't mortgage the Defensive just to fix that RT position. He will load up in the 2nd round and 6th round and a couple of FA's that are fairly cheap...

Read my lips (or words) we will have RT solidified next season.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If I were a gambling man I'd say that is our guy. I will love it if it happens. Groh disciple, teammate of Canty, big, fast, vicious hitter, smart. Perfect fit.

To me taking this guy makes too much sense...

1. We have a weakness at the position.
2. The starter doesn't make much money so if he's replaced we aren't going to get hurt financially.

Watch us take a running back.

 

[Clove]

Bill still wouldn't play him and then we're facing another big cap problem.

I think BP needed to put something in place last year at DT because Glover just wasn't going to do it. I don't know exactly what the figures are, but even if we don't go DT, we will definitely go ILB, you can't go without having atleast one of those in place...

 

[Hostile]

And then we're screwed on the cap. Now tell me Hos do you believe Ngata would give us more of an improvement over Ferguson or say Brooks over Shanle?

And once you figure in cap issues and what not I don't think the decision is a tough one to make. Both from a team and business standpoint I think it's much easier and cheaper to replace Shanle with a better player than it is Ferguson... who again is a "favorite" and favorites don't sit on this team--- as you've noticed.

Yes, I do because Ferguson is at the end of the line, Ngata the beginning. This is a LB heavy draft. I think you can get a better LB in the 2nd than you can a NT if that is the way we go.

That said I still think Brooks is the pick we target.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I like your thinking. I guarantee you that BP will not let the RT position go un-handled,he's not stupid... But he won't mortgage the Defensive just to fix that RT position. He will load up in the 2nd round and 6th round and a couple of FA's that are fairly cheap...

Read my lips (or words) we will have RT solidified next season.

I agree. Look for a lineman in round 2... not round 1.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes, I do because Ferguson is at the end of the line, Ngata the beginning. This is a LB heavy draft. I think you can get a better LB in the 2nd than you can a NT if that is the way we go.

That said I still think Brooks is the pick we target.

I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos.

 

[Hostile]

I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos.

Not a bad idea. I wonder myself.

Regarding Ngata over Brooks if both are there at 18 I'll simply say this. BPA.

 

[Clove]

I dunno if Ferguson is or not... I just know that with the money we paid we can't afford to let the guy sit. Personally I'd keep both Glover and him and let's see if Johnson can develop.

I think Brooks is the pick we target also.

But if you want I'll contact another zoner to see if he will pipe in with what you're really thinking about stuff Hos.

I can see us swithing them in and out for now, and on passing downs, I can see pepper johnson or ratliff coming in when you run your 4 down nickel allignment.

 

[Clove]

Not a bad idea. I wonder myself.

Regarding Ngata over Brooks if both are there at 18 I'll simply say this. BPA.

I heard reports earlier that BP wanted every scouting report he could find on Brooks... From what i'm reading now and from some of the early mock draft boards, Brooks will fall to us easily.

For linebackers , teams are looking for more of the 4-3 type like Hawk, Greenway or D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland...

 

[Hostile]

I heard reports earlier that BP wanted every scouting report he could find on Brooks... From what i'm reading now and from some of the early mock draft boards, Brooks will fall to us easily.

For linebackers , teams are looking for more of the 4-3 type like Hawk, Greenway or D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland...

This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.

 

[Clove]

This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.

They also say that Brooks could move over to OLB on pass rushing downs. He can play any position on the LB'r spot because of his speed and size.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is a LB heavy Draft. I can understand why Parcells would want info on Brooks. Putting it mildly he makes the most sense for us in round 1.

Burnett, James, Brooks, Ware

With Fujita, Fowler, Thornton as backups. Possibly another rookie in this draft.

I just like the sound of that.

I do too. We're just (obviously) very weak at LB.

 

[ghst187]

We've already spent too much money on the DL, we can't do that again.
Ngata did NOT impress me at all in their bowl game then he was injured AGAIN and left the game. If I'm an investor, he's a risky pick because he has an injury history already, and MAJOR injury at that! He blew out his knee! Imagine playing the Broncos chop blocking, he wouldn't last two plays. A DT with bad knees is not going to be very useful long-term. Lett was never the same player after his knee injury, I don't think Ngata has been either. 338 pounds on a shaky knee is scary, only a matter of time before it gives again. I think Ngata will be lucky to go round 1 because of injury concerns.
Ngata is also a risky pick at a position we already have full.
We already have the high priced Fergi and we have the youthful Pepper J. I actually like Pepper a lot, he plays with fire and nastiness. I think BP likes Pepper too. We have a solid DL rotation with or without Glover as we'll have Ratliff, Pepper, Canty, Fergi, and Spears, (and maybe Coleman) back for sure next year. That's 5-6 guys to play 3 positions.
Also, if you'll notice where we got gouged in the run game was usually around the ends and that's LB responsibility.

I think we'll be looking LB: Brooks, Hawk, Carpenter or OL: McNeil, Winston, Gean-Jiles or maybe WR; Santonio Holmes in round 1.

 

[Clove]

We've already spent too much money on the DL, we can't do that again.
Ngata did NOT impress me at all in their bowl game then he was injured AGAIN and left the game. If I'm an investor, he's a risky pick because he has an injury history already, and MAJOR injury at that! He blew out his knee! Imagine playing the Broncos chop blocking, he wouldn't last two plays. A DT with bad knees is not going to be very useful long-term. Lett was never the same player after his knee injury, I don't think Ngata has been either. 338 pounds on a shaky knee is scary, only a matter of time before it gives again. I think Ngata will be lucky to go round 1 because of injury concerns.
Ngata is also a risky pick at a position we already have full.
We already have the high priced Fergi and we have the youthful Pepper J. I actually like Pepper a lot, he plays with fire and nastiness. I think BP likes Pepper too. We have a solid DL rotation with or without Glover as we'll have Ratliff, Pepper, Canty, Fergi, and Spears, (and maybe Coleman) back for sure next year. That's 5-6 guys to play 3 positions.
Also, if you'll notice where we got gouged in the run game was usually around the ends and that's LB responsibility.

I think we'll be looking LB: Brooks, Hawk, Carpenter or OL: McNeil, Winston, Gean-Jiles or maybe WR; Santonio Holmes in round 1.

I doubt Ngata makes it out of the top 10, and if he does, I'd jump on him like a prisoner on hooker.

No way Hawk falls to us either, especially after that performance he put on the other day.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

If he falls out of the top 10 I'll be shocked. He is a bulldozer. I'd love to have him and would trade up if he fell too far.

Hos, I initially thought the same, however, the article mentions NLT the mid 2nd rd......it would be great pick at 18 with Fergusion's underperfomance and BP not happy with Glovers size.

 

[MadCow]

If not NT, then here's your ILB for the next 10 years..
http://www.virginiasportstv.com/index.php?sid=6&v=332&f=.mov

Then we can go after a couple of other DT options I had at DT in the 3rd rd.

Yeah... draft Brooks! But after that get some 'youngins' for the OL to go along with a few FA pickups in that area.