Interesting Fact

[Galian Beast]

Only 30 quaterbacks in the history of the super bowl era, have ever won a super bowl.

So since the first super bowl in 1967... 45 super bowls... 30 QBs...

of which there are currently 6 active players with a ring.

3 from the afc and 3 from the nfc... with Peyton Manning being injured, and seriously unlikely to be considered, that leaves us with 5 active super bowl winning quarterbacks.

Discounting Eli Manning for obvious reasons... (he isn't very good)

That leaves us with 4 quarterbacks.

Only 4 current quarterbacks in the league (32 teams for those who don't know), have a super bowl ring.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that this league is extremely difficult.

Break down the full list of guys you have

Aaron Rodgers - Didn't even win his division, but got hot and beat the division leaders that actually deserved to be in the playoffs.

Eli Manning - was probably going to get released in 07, beat us by 4, beat the packers by 3, and then beat the patriots by 3.

Tom Brady - Maybe I'm a hater, but all I have to say is SpyGate, Tuck Rule, and has never won a super bowl by more than 3 points. AFC East has been garbage for quite some time.

Drew Brees - 2009, we beat new orleans remember? But unfortunately we didn't match up well against Minnesota, who couldn't put New Orleans away...

Peyton Manning - The colts had a pretty crappy division, it's pretty easy to put up 12 wins, when your division is garbage. They draw Kansas City a wild card team, and they crushed them. Beat a Ravens team that couldn't put up enough points, and beat a Bears team that I think represented a very weak NFC. I don't know if we could have beat the Colts that year, but if we beat Seattle, I think we would have gone to beat Chicago, and at least had another chance at the Saints.

Ben Roethlisberger - Dude was a complete bus driver qb for his first road to the super bowl. But the AFC North was another division that really wasn't that great. The Ravens we're just getting back to being good again. BigBen won #2 in the Flacco year.

Winning a super bowl is about making it to the playoffs, getting hot in the playoffs, having some luck go your way. Best team doesn't necessarily win the playoffs. Having a perfect record doesn't give you a super bowl.

The Playoffs aren't easy. You're playing teams that generally are pretty good, usually the cream of the crop. You really need some good breaks to go far in the playoffs.

It really helps just to be in a weak division, having a weak division opponent first round of the super bowl doesn't hurt either...

Any ways what I'm trying to say is that the QB gets you to the playoffs, but it's even more on the team to put something together in the playoffs. You need all cylinders to be hitting.

If we lose a couple games here and there, it's not a big deal. Big picture though, we need to win enough to get into the playoffs. We need our oline, and secondary (defense in general) to be up to snuff come december/january. It's september, and while every game counts, we shouldn't go crazy about dropping a game to the Jets. If anything that was a game on the schedule that we were allowed to lose. We have a pretty easy schedule... quite a few winnable games. The whole process might not resemble 2007 or even the end of 2009, but let's just hope we can get in the playoffs (As Romo has demonstrated being able to do consistently, when healthy), and go from there.

/rant

 

[tupperware]

I'm not trying to be hateful, but a lot of the reasons you gave to discount Eli and some of the other ways you tried to discredit some of the other SB wins is the exact thing the media would likely do to Romo.

 

[JBS]

I'm not trying to be hateful, but a lot of the reasons you gave to discount Eli and some of the other ways you tried to discredit some of the other SB wins is the exact thing the media would likely do to Romo.

This is so true..same thing crossed my mind the other day

 

[Galian Beast]

I'm not discrediting them, they have super bowl rings. My point was simply that we all know that Eli isn't very good. Look at his numbers, look at his 2007 season... Not great.

And I don't care what the media says about romo, I would take all the breaks other QBs have got, if it meant a super bowl. No one cares after the fact.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm not trying to be hateful, but a lot of the reasons you gave to discount Eli and some of the other ways you tried to discredit some of the other SB wins is the exact thing the media would likely do to Romo.

Agreed.

It's a spin job at it's finest.

 

[Yuma Cactus]

The Seahawks got absolutely raped. A proper "celebration" penalty and things could have been different for the Cards. Luck (and tucks) are huge in the playoffs. Tony is good enough, just need some breaks at the right time.

 

[gimmesix]

Winning a super bowl is about making it to the playoffs, getting hot in the playoffs, having some luck go your way. Best team doesn't necessarily win the playoffs. Having a perfect record doesn't give you a super bowl.

Even when Dallas was at its best in the 1990s, winning a Super Bowl has always been a combination of being good and being lucky. You've got to have the players in place who are capable of doing it, but several teams have that. So from there, it comes down to a lot of good fortune ... breaks in the game, breaks with injuries, etc. Of course, some say you make your own luck, but for as long as I've watched the game, that only holds partially true. You could probably look at the path of every Super Bowl winner and see where a break or two went their way to help them get there.

 

[Ashwynn]

Even when Dallas was at its best in the 1990s, winning a Super Bowl has always been a combination of being good and being lucky. You've got to have the players in place who are capable of doing it, but several teams have that. So from there, it comes down to a lot of good fortune ... breaks in the game, breaks with injuries, etc. Of course, some say you make your own luck, but for as long as I've watched the game, that only holds partially true. You could probably look at the path of every Super Bowl winner and see where a break or two went their way to help them get there.

What was it 94, 95 against the niners. That mud field and the first 15:00 minutes sucked and we never could complete the come back. That was luck for the niners that day.

 

[gimmesix]

What was it 94, 95 against the niners. That mud field and the first 15:00 minutes sucked and we never could complete the come back. That was luck for the niners that day.

So was pass interference not being called on Deion Sanders. Sometimes those things go your way, sometimes they don't. In a battle between two good teams, you need those breaks.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

The Seahawks got absolutely raped. A proper "celebration" penalty and things could have been different for the Cards. Luck (and tucks) are huge in the playoffs. Tony is good enough, just need some breaks at the right time.

Or the officials call the block in the back on the TD return at the end of the first half by Pittsburgh.

 

[casmith07]

Or the officials call the block in the back on the TD return at the end of the first half by Pittsburgh.

There were at least two blocks in the back. Pathetic, really.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

There were at least two blocks in the back. Pathetic, really.

Worth mentioning that if the 2007 Super Bowl was played today, all things being equal except rule changes, New England wins.

Eli Manning would be down, in the grasp, before throwing the wing and a prayer Helmet Catch. I forget the official's name, but he said he was going to blow the whistle and end the play but since the rules were as they were, Eli needed to be held immobile for a half second longer.

Today, New England wins barring another equally miraculous drive.

 

[cowboyuptx]

I'm not discrediting them, they have super bowl rings. My point was simply that we all know that Eli isn't very good. Look at his numbers, look at his 2007 season... Not great.

And I don't care what the media says about romo, I would take all the breaks other QBs have got, if it meant a super bowl. No one cares after the fact.

Eli is far better than you're giving him credit for... I know his stats leave something to be desired, but Eli has the ability to make throws that your average NFL QB can not make, I've seen it with my own eyes... And that play to Tyree in the SB, what Eli did on that play was as impressive as the catch Tyree made... Then Eli finished it off with a perfect strike to Burress in the endzone...

Eli might not be Peyton, but he's not Trent Dilfer either....

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Eli is far better than you're giving him credit for... I know his stats leave something to be desired, but Eli has the ability to make throws that your average NFL QB can not make, I've seen it with my own eyes... And that play to Tyree in the SB, what Eli did on that play was as impressive as the catch Tyree made... Then Eli finished it off with a perfect strike to Burress in the endzone...

Eli might not be Peyton, but he's not Trent Dilfer either....

Actually, if you take Trent's 2000 stats and extrapolate them out to match Eli's 2007 attempts since Trent only played the second half of the season, they are remarkably similar.

Eli

297 completions, 529 attempts, 56.1 completion percentage, 3336 yards, 23 TD's, 20 interceptions, 13 fumbles, 7 lost. 73.9 QB rating

Trent's actual numbers for the '00 season

134 completions, 226 attempts, 59.3 completion percentage, 1502 yards, 12 TD's, 11 interceptions, 8 fumbles, 2 lost. 76.6 QB rating

Comparative extrapolated numbers for the 2000 season

Completions:

Eli: 297 Trent: 314

Attempts:

Eli: 529 Trent: 529 (so we're all on the same page)

Yards

Eli: 3336 Trent: 3515

Touchdowns:

Eli: 23 Trent: 28

Interceptions:

Eli: 20 Trent: 26

Fumbles

Eli: 13 Trent: 19

Fumbles Lost:

Eli: 7 Trent: 5

Looks to me that they're very, very similar.

One of the biggest differences I would say is that Eli's offensive line gave him better pass protection. Tony Banks (20) and Trent (23) were sacked for a combined 43 times while Eli only had to eat turf 27 times during the regular season. Put Eli on that 2000 Ravens squad and you can make the case that he wouldn't have carried the team as far.