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[Sully]

Highly drafted quarterbacks rarely transform bad franchises
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 26, 2020, 6:30 AM EST

USA Today

Those who think the Jets killed the future of their franchise by winning on Sunday and giving the Jaguars the lead in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes may want to look at how great teams are built. It’s hardly ever by losing enough to earn the first overall pick, and using that pick on a franchise quarterback.

In fact, of the NFL’s eight current division leaders, none drafted their quarterback first overall. None even drafted their quarterback in the Top 5.

Four current division leaders used a first-round pick on a quarterback, but none followed the “tanking” model to get him: The Chiefs were a playoff when they traded up to draft Patrick Mahomes. The Bills were a playoff team when they traded up to draft Josh Allen. The Packers were a playoff team when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers were a 6-10 team but had been in the playoffs the two years before that when they drafted Ben Roethlisberger No. 11 overall.

The other four division leaders did not draft their starting quarterback in the first round: The Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson in the third round. The Saints signed Drew Brees as a free agent. Washington traded for Alex Smith after the Chiefs decided to move on from him. The Titans traded for Ryan Tannehill after the Dolphins decided to move on from him.

But while the NFL’s best teams didn’t get their quarterbacks at the top of the draft, what about the teams that do have a Top 5 draft pick quarterback? Some of them may make the playoffs this year, but overall the results are more bad than good: The teams that have a quarterback picked in the Top 5 on their roster (the Browns, Dolphins, Bengals, Jets, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, Lions, Eagles and Falcons) have a combined record of 60-78-2 this season.

Bad franchises are often bad for reasons that no one player can change, and sometimes quarterbacks who look like great prospects either languish on bad teams or prove not to be so great. There’s no guarantee that Lawrence can transform a franchise.

 

[Qcard]

Great Post!!

Now the leadership skills set is becoming more important.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

And whats the record of the QBs not drafted in the top 5 ???

1,000 - 10,000,000 ????

Kellen Moore wasn't drafted in the top 5 .

 

[Rockport]

Highly drafted quarterbacks rarely transform bad franchises
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 26, 2020, 6:30 AM EST

USA Today

Those who think the Jets killed the future of their franchise by winning on Sunday and giving the Jaguars the lead in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes may want to look at how great teams are built. It’s hardly ever by losing enough to earn the first overall pick, and using that pick on a franchise quarterback.

In fact, of the NFL’s eight current division leaders, none drafted their quarterback first overall. None even drafted their quarterback in the Top 5.

Four current division leaders used a first-round pick on a quarterback, but none followed the “tanking” model to get him: The Chiefs were a playoff when they traded up to draft Patrick Mahomes. The Bills were a playoff team when they traded up to draft Josh Allen. The Packers were a playoff team when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers were a 6-10 team but had been in the playoffs the two years before that when they drafted Ben Roethlisberger No. 11 overall.

The other four division leaders did not draft their starting quarterback in the first round: The Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson in the third round. The Saints signed Drew Brees as a free agent. Washington traded for Alex Smith after the Chiefs decided to move on from him. The Titans traded for Ryan Tannehill after the Dolphins decided to move on from him.

But while the NFL’s best teams didn’t get their quarterbacks at the top of the draft, what about the teams that do have a Top 5 draft pick quarterback? Some of them may make the playoffs this year, but overall the results are more bad than good: The teams that have a quarterback picked in the Top 5 on their roster (the Browns, Dolphins, Bengals, Jets, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, Lions, Eagles and Falcons) have a combined record of 60-78-2 this season.

Bad franchises are often bad for reasons that no one player can change, and sometimes quarterbacks who look like great prospects either languish on bad teams or prove not to be so great. There’s no guarantee that Lawrence can transform a franchise.

Tankers and losers are dodging facts.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Cowboys tanked their last game in 1988 to give them the best chance to draft #1 in 1989 and be able to pick up Troy Aikman. What soon followed was 3 SB Championships, SB MVP and one of the best QBs of the 90s. All while Green Bay ended with the #2 pick and drafted Tackle Tony Mandarich. How did that turn out for them?

The 1996 San Antonio Spurs tanked their season to secure the #1 overall pick and draft the best prospect in the 1997 NBA Draft: Forward Tim Duncan. What came of it? 5 NBA Championships and several MVPs.

Tanking creates an "organization of losers", my arse.

Like Kenny Rogers said in his famous song..."You've got to know when to hold em. Know when to fold em. Know when to walk away...and know when to run."

Losers lose when they don't know when and how to play the draft game. Pride at the end of an already failed season wins you nothing but more losing.

 

[Sully]

Great Post!!

Now the leadership skills set is becoming more important.

Ever since Micheal Irvin has retired, this franchise has had that one player to get pissed. Ravens' had Ray Lewis comes as another example.

 

[Bobhaze]

A simple principle I wish more Cowboys fans would buy into: You don’t win championships with just a collection of good players. You win championships with a good team. And you build good teams with purpose, vision, and a blueprint of what you’re trying to be as a team. Then you acquire players to fit that blueprint.

As Knute Rockne famously once said, “I don’t play my eleven best players. I play my best eleven.”

Yes you must have great talent, but all the talent must fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. You don’t just acquire talent like a fantasy football owner as Jerry seems to do. He follows his own model of “go get some triplets” at the skill positions and a “war daddy” on D and you should be able to build a winner around that. Mix in what he also believes is a key to winning- “good luck”, and that’s his plan. It explains the last quarter of a century around here.

 

[Loso86]

Highly drafted quarterbacks rarely transform bad franchises
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 26, 2020, 6:30 AM EST

USA Today

Those who think the Jets killed the future of their franchise by winning on Sunday and giving the Jaguars the lead in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes may want to look at how great teams are built. It’s hardly ever by losing enough to earn the first overall pick, and using that pick on a franchise quarterback.

In fact, of the NFL’s eight current division leaders, none drafted their quarterback first overall. None even drafted their quarterback in the Top 5.

Four current division leaders used a first-round pick on a quarterback, but none followed the “tanking” model to get him: The Chiefs were a playoff when they traded up to draft Patrick Mahomes. The Bills were a playoff team when they traded up to draft Josh Allen. The Packers were a playoff team when they drafted Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers were a 6-10 team but had been in the playoffs the two years before that when they drafted Ben Roethlisberger No. 11 overall.

The other four division leaders did not draft their starting quarterback in the first round: The Seahawks drafted Russell Wilson in the third round. The Saints signed Drew Brees as a free agent. Washington traded for Alex Smith after the Chiefs decided to move on from him. The Titans traded for Ryan Tannehill after the Dolphins decided to move on from him.

But while the NFL’s best teams didn’t get their quarterbacks at the top of the draft, what about the teams that do have a Top 5 draft pick quarterback? Some of them may make the playoffs this year, but overall the results are more bad than good: The teams that have a quarterback picked in the Top 5 on their roster (the Browns, Dolphins, Bengals, Jets, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, Lions, Eagles and Falcons) have a combined record of 60-78-2 this season.

Bad franchises are often bad for reasons that no one player can change, and sometimes quarterbacks who look like great prospects either languish on bad teams or prove not to be so great. There’s no guarantee that Lawrence can transform a franchise.

QBs dont have time to develop anymore. Franchises be setting these young guys up for failure, by throwing them to the wolves too early and too often.

 

[baltcowboy]

Sounds like the writer is a Jets fan. Listen, no prospect is perfect but Lawrence appears to be the perfect quarterback for what the NFL is now. He is tall, can make every throw and is athletic. Lawrence is a better version of Josh Allen who is currently a top 5 quarterback in the NFL.

 

[Mr_437]

QBs drafted later go to better overall teams, while, most Top 5 drafted QBs go to bad organizations...so success is handicapped. Have an identity as a football club and draft to your model as a franchise and develop those players in a winner's culture/atmosphere.

 

[HungryLion]

Gee. It’s almost like it takes more than one player for a team to be good.


Who would have thought.

 

[Jake]

Bad franchises are often bad for reasons that no one player can change...

 

[DogFace]

Drafting QB’s isn’t an exact science. They often fail. When you have a good one, that’s won and put up good numbers, be smart.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

A simple principle I wish more Cowboys fans would buy into: You don’t win championships with just a collection of good players. You win championships with a good team. And you build good teams with purpose, vision, and a blueprint of what you’re trying to be as a team. Then you acquire players to fit that blueprint.

As Knute Rockne famously once said, “I don’t play my eleven best players. I play my best eleven.”

Yes you must have great talent, but all the talent must fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. You don’t just acquire talent like a fantasy football owner as Jerry seems to do. He follows his own model of “go get some triplets” at the skill positions and a “war daddy” on D and you should be able to build a winner around that. Mix in what he also believes is a key to winning- “good luck”, and that’s his plan. It explains the last quarter of a century around here.

I've been complaining about a lack of a blueprint for years. But finding a quality QB is half the battle. Like Parcells said you can't call 1-800-quarterback to get a QB. So I say we get a quality QB under contract for years to come then build up on the defensive side of the ball. Just like the Patriots have done over the 15 years.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Pat's try to traded their whole draft for Lawrence. But I'm sure the Jets won't fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

 

[jazzcat22]

Cowboys tanked their last game in 1988 to give them the best chance to draft #1 in 1989 and be able to pick up Troy Aikman. What soon followed was 3 SB Championships, SB MVP and one of the best QBs of the 90s. All while Green Bay ended with the #2 pick and drafted Tackle Tony Mandarich. How did that turn out for them?

The 1996 San Antonio Spurs tanked their season to secure the #1 overall pick and draft the best prospect in the 1997 NBA Draft: Forward Tim Duncan. What came of it? 5 NBA Championships and several MVPs.

Tanking creates an "organization of losers", my arse.

Like Kenny Rogers said in his famous song..."You've got to know when to hold em. Know when to fold em. Know when to walk away...and know when to run."

Losers lose when they don't know when and how to play the draft game. Pride at the end of an already failed season wins you nothing but more losing.

Cowboys did not tank to get Aikman.It was actually GB winning their last 2 games that gave Dallas the #1 overall pick.
And it was the Walker trade that brought a butt load of the winning players to the team, not just Troy himself.

Spurs did not tank to get Duncan, that is why they the NBA has the lotto, so teams do not tank. They got lucky getting that pick to select him.

 

[Shane612]

Cowboys tanked their last game in 1988 to give them the best chance to draft #1 in 1989 and be able to pick up Troy Aikman. What soon followed was 3 SB Championships, SB MVP and one of the best QBs of the 90s. All while Green Bay ended with the #2 pick and drafted Tackle Tony Mandarich. How did that turn out for them?

The 1996 San Antonio Spurs tanked their season to secure the #1 overall pick and draft the best prospect in the 1997 NBA Draft: Forward Tim Duncan. What came of it? 5 NBA Championships and several MVPs.

Tanking creates an "organization of losers", my arse.

Like Kenny Rogers said in his famous song..."You've got to know when to hold em. Know when to fold em. Know when to walk away...and know when to run."

Losers lose when they don't know when and how to play the draft game. Pride at the end of an already failed season wins you nothing but more losing.

To be fair basketball only requires 5 players. So, one player can make a big difference.
And professional football is not like playing poker.
As for Troy Aikman, he was teamed with a great coach, and a lot of great players that meshed well.

 

[Bigdog]

Peyton Manning and the Colts say hello

 

[Captain-Crash]

duh, the teams who get number one quarterbacks are usually cellar dwellers.