Interesting stat

[Outlaw Heroes]

Again, you're mistaking playcalling for option plays. Two calls are sent in. Dak chose the pass play. It's happened for years around here, with varying and questionable degrees of success.

No. He specifically said that the two plays were RPOs. That's not two calls being sent in (show me where he said that if you're not convinced by his explicit reference to RPOs). That's one call with an option to either run or pass. The design of the play is that it starts as a run but becomes a pass if Dak's post-snap read indicates that the D is over-committing to the run on the play action.

Dak didn't choose a pass play among two different plays. He ran the one play that was called. Precisely as it should be run (i.e. he made the right read and chose the right option). He just didn't execute on the throws.

 

[Stash]

No. He specifically said that the two plays were RPOs. That's not two calls being sent in (show me where he said that if you're not convinced by his explicit reference to RPOs). That's one call with an option to either run or pass. The design of the play is that it starts as a run but becomes a pass if Dak's post-snap read indicates that the D is over-committing to the run on the play action.

Dak didn't choose a pass play among two different plays. He ran the one play that was called. Precisely as it should be run (i.e. he made the right read and chose the right option). He just didn't execute on the throws.

That's playaction. Or the worst option call ever. I'll let you decide.

 

[jday]

Yes, we've lost our identity on offense. Which has put more on the QB and he's not capable of handling it.

Clearly, whilst being 2 & 1.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

That's playaction. Or the worst option call ever. I'll let you decide.

It would be a play-action pass if Dak were committed to the pass from the outset and was simply faking the hand-off to draw the defense in. But if that were the case, Linehan wouldn't have called the play "a run call". It was an RPO (and therefore a run call, at least initially) because Dak retained the option to hand off to Zeke right up until he chose not to do so (as opposed to a play-action pass, which is guaranteed to be a pass, with a fake hand-off, from the get-go). Dak didn't hand off, not because he was committed to the pass pre-snap, but because post-snap he reads Collins crashing down to stop the run, so he pulls the ball out and throws the pass to Dez, who now has inside leverage on the CB with no help underneath because Collins has vacated his zone. It's all right there in plain view in the GIF you provided.

 

[BAT]

I don't know that I agree.

3 years into Collin's career, Collins still seems to be more potential than consistency/production.

If he had gone in the 1st round as originally projected AND the Cowboys spent a 1st round pick on him, I suspect the narrative would be pretty different at this point.

May be best suited at LG ultimately. Pro bowl potential there, not so much at RT.

 

[Stash]

It would be a play-action pass if Dak were committed to the pass from the outset and was simply faking the hand-off to draw the defense in. But if that were the case, Linehan wouldn't have called the play "a run call". It was an RPO (and therefore a run call, at least initially) because Dak retained the option to hand off to Zeke right up until he chose not to do so (as opposed to a play-action pass, which is guaranteed to be a pass, with a fake hand-off, from the get-go). Dak didn't hand off, not because he was committed to the pass pre-snap, but because post-snap he reads Collins crashing down to stop the run, so he pulls the ball out and throws the pass to Dez, who now has inside leverage on the CB with no help underneath because Collins has vacated his zone. It's all right there in plain view in the GIF you provided.

Then everything is an RPO for you. Everything.

And that's not the case.

You're mistaken.

 

[Stash]

Clearly, whilst being 2 & 1.

You happy with the offense?

Everything look great to you?

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Then everything is an RPO for you. Everything.

And that's not the case.

You're mistaken.

I'm clearly not mistaken. Linehan's own words tell the story: "The first two [play-calls] were run/pass options, so that's a run call." The GIF you posted was one of those play-calls. Indisputably an RPO, per Linehan.

And how does it follow that "everything is an RPO" for me? It may be that you need to brush up on the RPO concept. Try reading Sturm's "Decoding Linehan" piece following the Giant's game. It's a pretty lucid explanation.

 

[Stash]

I'm clearly not mistaken. Linehan's own words tell the story: "The first two [play-calls] were run/pass options, so that's a run call." The GIF you posted was one of those play-calls. Indisputably an RPO, per

And your mistaken interpretation that he's referring two a live option play and not two plays in the huddle. Which is in fact what he's talking about. That's not a live option play I showed you. It's a playaction pass.

And how does it follow that "everything is an RPO" for me? It may be that you need to brush up on the RPO concept. Try reading Sturm's "Decoding Linehan" piece following the Giant's game. It's a pretty lucid explanation.

See above.

 

[TrailBlazer]

If we can't run the ball, our QB suffers, and our defense suffers. It all works together. We're built to run the football. If we deviate from the formula were screwed.

 

[jday]

You happy with the offense?

Everything look great to you?

Is that what I said? Dak struggled against the Broncos, as many great QBs have, but he along w/DLaw are the primary reasons we won against the Cardinals. This agenda against Dak is frankly getting tired.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

And your mistaken interpretation that he's referring two a live option play and not two plays in the huddle. Which is in fact what he's talking about. That's not a live option play I showed you. It's a playaction pass.

Show me where Linehan mentions two plays in the huddle. I've shown you where he explicitly calls the play you reference a run pass option. At this point you appear to simply be ignoring the evidence because it doesn't suit your position. And, frankly, you've offered no alternative evidence to support your position.

Without Linehan's words, the play would have been indistinguishable from a play-action pass. Linehan made clear it was an RPO instead. I've already gone through the difference. They look the same. The difference lies in whether Dak is committed to passing pre-snap or whether the decision to pass waits for his post-snap read.

 

[Stash]

Is that what I said? Dak struggled against the Broncos, as many great QBs have, but he along w/DLaw are the primary reasons we won against the Cardinals. This agenda against Dak is frankly getting tired.

Yeah. I'm not into that either.

 

[viman96]

True, but last year we weren't implementing two new pieces.
Leary and Free while very consistent had low floors.
Green, Collins.. maybe Cooper high ceilings.
In this league you cant ever keep it all together, always change, every year.
Yes I would have loved to have retained Leary, but good teams roll with the upside "ceiling" talent in this NFL.
I like the "ceiling" in Green, Collins.. maybe Cooper.
Free was done, and Leary is on his last year probably, already had issues with his degenerative knee condition in Denver.

My point is if the LOS were stuffed last year like it is this year then we would have passed more last year as well

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Last year Dallas ran the ball 43% even when behind.
After 3 games this season there at 28%.

Have to get back to our bread an butter.

W1: ran the ball 44% of the plays
W2: ran the ball 22% of the plays
W3: ran the ball 55% of the plays

Remove week 2, where we were got annihilated and playing catch-up, we're running a greater percentage on average than last year

 

[River82]

W1: ran the ball 44% of the plays
W2: ran the ball 22% of the plays
W3: ran the ball 55% of the plays

Remove week 2, where we were got annihilated and playing catch-up, we're running a greater percentage on average than last year

Yeah, I was about to ask whether we're honestly going to complain about this the week after we ran the ball more than half the time ...