Interesting thought about sellouts

[fweegy]

Living in New Jersey I have been able to keep tabs on the two new baseball stadiums in New York. So far, there have been alot of empty seats for each game because of the prices they are charging in todays economy. Has anyone (including Jerry) given a thought to the idea that he may not be able to sell out games because he is charging so much. And, if that were to happen, the blackout rule would be in effect. People who say they are going to cancel their Direct TV NFL package may want to wait until the dust settles on the new place.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Some numbers for those who aren't following the situation.

Tickets priced at $300 are selling for $50 and tickets priced at $2500 are selling at half their price. The Yankees are having trouble filling those seats, but the 'cheaper' sections are filled up and even crowded.

Whats even worse is that the Yankees think the stadium has some wind issues which is allowing more home runs to be scored. I hope we don't have these kind of problems come the regular season as that means less fans yelling and less of a home field advantage.

 

[JerryFan]

there was an article i read yesterday about how the Cowboys started selling their premium seating a couple years ago and most of them are like 20 year contracts. i dont think packing the new stadium is going to be a problem.

 

[Echo9]

there was an article i read yesterday about how the Cowboys started selling their premium seating a couple years ago and most of them are like 20 year contracts. i dont think packing the new stadium is going to be a problem.

Watched "Build it Bigger" on the Science Channel Last night. Episode on the the Dallas Stadium. At the time the episode was shot, it was 80% sold. PLus JJ has the ability to move seats around, so if its not filled, he can probably take seats out to assure a sellout.

With the seat moving thing, the stadium has an ability to go from roughly 70k to over 100k. Pretty cool stuff.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Some numbers for those who aren't following the situation.

Tickets priced at $300 are selling for $50 and tickets priced at $2500 are selling at half their price. The Yankees are having trouble filling those seats, but the 'cheaper' sections are filled up and even crowded.

Whats even worse is that the Yankees think the stadium has some wind issues which is allowing more home runs to be scored. I hope we don't have these kind of problems come the regular season as that means less fans yelling and less of a home field advantage.

I think the other part of the equation is the Yankees are a team in rebuild mode. They are not the machine they were. That machine died almost 10 years ago.

The wind issue - I have heard some talk of that. Do the Yankees really think there is an issue or is it media driven/created? I dont know I am asking.

Also, why less home field advantage? Yankees can hit homeruns too.

 

[Hypnotoad]

I think the other part of the equation is the Yankees are a team in rebuild mode. They are not the machine they were. That machine died almost 10 years ago.

The wind issue - I have heard some talk of that. Do the Yankees really think there is an issue or is it media driven/created? I dont know I am asking.

Also, why less home field advantage? Yankees can hit homeruns too.

Regarding the Yankees... they themselves brought in AccuWeather and talked to Stadium Engineers to see if there was some wind/design issue with the stadium that's turning balls that would normally be fouls into homeruns. They can hit home runs too, but their advantage would have been an better if they hadn't spend so much on pitching.

Now for us... We can also have stadium issues. I know Indianapolis's old stadium, RCA Dome, allowed sound to echo (design issue?) making it louder than what it would have been. It was so loud and consistent that teams thought artificial sound was being piped in illegally.

 

[Tobal]

selling tickets to 80 games is harder than to 8 games

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Regarding the Yankees... they themselves brought in AccuWeather and talked to Stadium Engineers to see if there was some wind/design issue with the stadium that's turning balls that would normally be fouls into homeruns. They can hit home runs too, but their advantage would have been an better if they hadn't spend so much on pitching.

Now for us... We can also have stadium issues. I know Indianapolis's old stadium, RCA Dome, allowed sound to echo (design issue?) making it louder than what it would have been. It was so loud and consistent that teams thought artificial sound was being piped in illegally.

Thanks for that.

I guess to me its just expected to be different... different location, different stadium etc.

If they wanted exact they could have done things different or maybe didnt think about it.

 

[Danny White]

Last time I talked to my Cowboys ticket rep, she said that about 90% of the stadium had already been sold through season tickets.

So I don't think sellouts/blackouts will be a problem.


I also echo the sentiment that it's a much different deal when you're talking about having to sell tickets to 80 games as opposed to just 8. The relative scarcity of the product makes it a much hotter commodity.

For the record, the PSL contracts are for 30 years, and most of the seats have some kind of PSL associated with them. So if the 90% number for season ticket holders is true, I don't think Jerry's going to have to worry about selling that place out in his lifetime.

 

[theebs]

Living in New Jersey I have been able to keep tabs on the two new baseball stadiums in New York. So far, there have been alot of empty seats for each game because of the prices they are charging in todays economy. Has anyone (including Jerry) given a thought to the idea that he may not be able to sell out games because he is charging so much. And, if that were to happen, the blackout rule would be in effect. People who say they are going to cancel their Direct TV NFL package may want to wait until the dust settles on the new place.

I will go on record as saying there is most likely a zero chance it doensnt sellout.

Just for the simple fact that if any tickets are ever available, scalpers will buy them in a heartbeat and then sell them for profit.

But I dont think it will even get to that point. THe ticket prices here are not as out of whack as yankee stadium and there are only 10 games. You can buy a seat in very good sections like I did for 1300 a year, the yankees are looking for more than that in single games.

Throw in the fact that season ticket holders have first option on all of the other events at the stadium and it is a no brainer, sellouts will not be a problem.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Some numbers for those who aren't following the situation.

Tickets priced at $300 are selling for $50 and tickets priced at $2500 are selling at half their price. The Yankees are having trouble filling those seats, but the 'cheaper' sections are filled up and even crowded.

Whats even worse is that the Yankees think the stadium has some wind issues which is allowing more home runs to be scored. I hope we don't have these kind of problems come the regular season as that means less fans yelling and less of a home field advantage.

Ha! Now the Yankees will have to spend even more to get pitchers to come to the Yankees! The Rangers have the same problem because of their ballpark.

The prices at Yankee stadium are absolutely stupid. The cheapest seats (bleechers) are $75 a pop! Hank and his brother's ego are as they say, to big for their britches. The Yankees are going to alienate the regular fans because they want to siphon money from the higher end clientele.

As a Yankee hater, I love it! :laugh2:

 

[Rogah]

Living in New Jersey I have been able to keep tabs on the two new baseball stadiums in New York. So far, there have been alot of empty seats for each game because of the prices they are charging in todays economy. Has anyone (including Jerry) given a thought to the idea that he may not be able to sell out games because he is charging so much. And, if that were to happen, the blackout rule would be in effect. People who say they are going to cancel their Direct TV NFL package may want to wait until the dust settles on the new place.

First, it should be noted that the term "sell out" refers only to general seating. Technically, you can have a "sell out" without selling a single club seat (or luxury box).

The ridiculous cost of Jerry's PSO is the thing that has kept the new stadium from being completely sold out. I expect the team will still have PSO's available come late summer, but what they will do is put those unsold seats up for sale via Ticketmaster on a game-by-game basis. And I have no doubt that they will completely sell out the stadium when they do that.

 

[Rogah]

I think the other part of the equation is the Yankees are a team in rebuild mode. They are not the machine they were. That machine died almost 10 years ago.

The wind issue - I have heard some talk of that. Do the Yankees really think there is an issue or is it media driven/created? I dont know I am asking.

20 home runs were hit in the first 4 games in the new Yankee Stadium, which is an unusually high amount, and the ball did seem to carry very far to right field.

IMHO, I need a bigger sample set than just 4 games before I draw any certain conclusions. But 20 is a number too big to be ignored, so it looks like there very well could be some cause and effect.

 

[Rogah]

I will go on record as saying there is most likely a zero chance it doensnt sellout.

Just for the simple fact that if any tickets are ever available, scalpers will buy them in a heartbeat and then sell them for profit.

But I dont think it will even get to that point. THe ticket prices here are not as out of whack as yankee stadium and there are only 10 games. You can buy a seat in very good sections like I did for 1300 a year, the yankees are looking for more than that in single games.

Jerry's ticket prices may not be out of whack, but some of his PSO fees are. His most expensive club seat will require a PSO payment of $150,000 each.

I bet the new Cowboys Stadium will be just like the new Yankees Stadium: Plenty of scattered empty seats in the club section, with the cheaper seats being completely packed and sold out.

 

[Danny White]

Jerry's ticket prices may not be out of whack, but some of his PSO fees are. His most expensive club seat will require a PSO payment of $150,000 each.

I bet the new Cowboys Stadium will be just like the new Yankees Stadium: Plenty of scattered empty seats in the club section, with the cheaper seats being completely packed and sold out.

There are very few seats with the seat option that high, and those seats come with very attractive fringe benefits for those big money corporate types who shell out the money for them. I'd bet that most of those seats have been sold.

As you'd expect the most expensive seats are the best seats in the house, and will sell accordingly. No chance that the Club Level, 50 yard line seats will go unsold.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

20 home runs were hit in the first 4 games in the new Yankee Stadium, which is an unusually high amount, and the ball did seem to carry very far to right field.

IMHO, I need a bigger sample set than just 4 games before I draw any certain conclusions. But 20 is a number too big to be ignored, so it looks like there very well could be some cause and effect.

Is it unusually high over any 4 game span historically? Its probably happened before, more than once.

Agreed on needing a larger sample size.

I am not saying that its not possible that the stadium is juiced... I am just saying its too early to tell.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Is it unusually high over any 4 game span historically? Its probably happened before, more than once.

Agreed on needing a larger sample size.

I am not saying that its not possible that the stadium is juiced... I am just saying its too early to tell.

I just heard a stat... If 1 more home run is hit it becomes the highest amount of home runs scored in a stadium in the seasons first 5 games. Baseballs been around for a long time, so I figure this one has some meaning.

The sample size is small, and it could be anything from coincidence, or bad pitching. ESPN just showed a Weatherman theorizing how in the previous stadium the seating would cause winds to swirl like with The Meadowland, but this new stadium causes the ball to carry.

I saw the special about our stadium and am very excited to see that legendary masterpiece. If we could get some home field quirk other than crowned turf I would be ecstatic as it can presents a real advantage for us.

 

[Rogah]

There are very few seats with the seat option that high, and those seats come with very attractive fringe benefits for those big money corporate types who shell out the money for them. I'd bet that most of those seats have been sold.

As you'd expect the most expensive seats are the best seats in the house, and will sell accordingly. No chance that the Club Level, 50 yard line seats will go unsold.

I think it depends on what Jerry does. I can say with absolute certainty that there are still club level seats available in both the "Founders Club" as well as the regular club and I have no doubt there will still be some left come August. Even your big money corporate types are feeling the pinch of a recession, so if they haven't sold all club seat PSO's over the past 2 years then they probably won't be sold out in the next 3 months.

So what is Jerry going to do? If he puts the tickets up for sale at face value ($340 each) then sure, they will sell. But that might upset the guy that paid $300,000 for a pair of seats, sitting next to a guy who paid $340.

This is the problem the Yankees have and why they have so many empty seats right behind home plate. They could sell every single one of those seats if they knocked the price down, but that's would upset the guy who bought 2 season ticket packages for $400,000.

 

[Rogah]

Is it unusually high over any 4 game span historically? Its probably happened before, more than once.

I think ESPN said it is the most HR's ever in a stadium's first 4 games, but it is certainly not an all time record for the most ever HR's in a 4 game span.

However, as a point of comparison, I checked the Yankees' box scores and their first 4 road games of the season had 9 home runs.

Agreed on needing a larger sample size. It really could just be a matter of NY's pitching stink, but their offense is powerful.

I am not saying that its not possible that the stadium is juiced... I am just saying its too early to tell.

Agreed. It certainly bears some watching. Also, I remember reading some report that says when they tear down the old stadium, that could affect wind patterns in the new stadium (or something like that).

I am trying to plan a trip up there sometime this summer, so I wouldn't mind seeing a 12-10 game

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I just heard a stat... If 1 more home run is hit it becomes the highest amount of home runs scored in a stadium in the seasons first 5 games. Baseballs been around for a long time, so I figure this one has some meaning.

The sample size is small, and it could be anything from coincidence, or bad pitching. ESPN just showed a Weatherman theorizing how in the previous stadium the seating would cause winds to swirl like with The Meadowland, but this new stadium causes the ball to carry.

I saw the special about our stadium and am very excited to see that legendary masterpiece. If we could get some home field quirk other than crowned turf I would be ecstatic as it can presents a real advantage for us.

Ok the first four games is no big deal. I meant any 4 games or 5.. etc....

I think ESPN said it is the most HR's ever in a stadium's first 4 games, but it is certainly not an all time record for the most ever HR's in a 4 game span.

However, as a point of comparison, I checked the Yankees' box scores and their first 4 road games of the season had 9 home runs.
Agreed. It certainly bears some watching. Also, I remember reading some report that says when they tear down the old stadium, that could affect wind patterns in the new stadium (or something like that).

I am trying to plan a trip up there sometime this summer, so I wouldn't mind seeing a 12-10 game

Yeah first 4 games, last 4 game or 4 games in July.... it could happen at anytime.

(like Hypnotoad mentioned)There was a segment on Rome is Burning where the meteorologist talked about the seat not being as stacked as much which allowed the wind to funnel in and down into stadium faster and smoother.



Put a fraken dome on it and be done with it... :laugh1:
j/k