Interesting [What's Bill Parcells thinking?]

[Woods]

I agree. I think Wade's defense needs multiple pass rushers in order to be effective. Guys like Hodge, Williams, and Butler can be added to the mix on passing downs.

One thing that I found really depressing last year was how easy it was for teams to shut Ware down when they needed to and there was no one else to pick up the slack.

It should also light a fire under Spencer's butt.

 

[Randy White]

I have to admit, I was surprised that we took 2 DE/OLB tweeners back to back in Round 4. I'm assuming these were the top guys on our Board, as LBs were 3 of our top 5 picks.

Additionallly, we decided to pass on Sidbury and draft V Butler and B Marshall instead. I found that interesting as well. We had met with Sidbury, so I'm assuming we didn't really like him as much as many on this Board (including me) originally thought.

Also, it was sort of odd when Butler was interviewed on The Ticket, and Butler mentioned the Cowboys not only didn't show much interest in him during the scouting process but that they didn't even work him out.

As we took Butler with the 110 pick (going on memory), I wonder if we thought someone else was going to snap him up? To tell the truth, I hadn't really paid attention to him leading up to the Draft, and I had no idea he was rated so highly by any other teams' scouts.

For me, Round 4 was particularly interesting.

You heard that interview as well huh ? I came away VERY impressed with him. Best attitude of a draftee I've heard in a long, long, long time. He sounded like he's willing to go through a wall as long as he's on the field. He doesn't care what position he plays.

 

[Woods]

You heard that interview as well huh ? I came away VERY impressed with him. Best attitude of a draftee I've heard in a long, long, long time. He sounded like he's willing to go through a wall as long as he's on the field. He doesn't care what position he plays.

I remember he said he wouldn't mind long snapping if he could get on the field and help the team.

 

[BAT]

You heard that interview as well huh ? I came away VERY impressed with him. Best attitude of a draftee I've heard in a long, long, long time. He sounded like he's willing to go through a wall as long as he's on the field. He doesn't care what position he plays.

He was a first year starter last season, he is still learning. But he is blue collar high effort guy, obviously not worried about playing special teams either. No primadonnas in this draft, w/the exception of Stephen McGee (not wanting to be the wildcat QB). I kid, a little.

 

[Randy White]

I remember he said he wouldn't mind long snapping if he could get on the field and help the team.

Yup. .and when Norm asked what was he going to do now, he replied: " oh man I'm gonna work out. I still have to run the mountain today ". I know what he meant by that, although in my case it was about 50 feet high which is hardly a " mountain ".

People are going to love this kid, especially the media. Great, great personality.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The Dolphins already ran the wildcat well... so the White pick is an odd one to me. Why use a r2 on a scheme you already succeed with in limited fashion. I seriously doubt it becomes anyone's base offense.

Having corners is awesome but Dallas got its best value of the entire draft taking CBs late. And Davis was about as lithe and agile as a sumo wrestler at the combine.

I'm not sure White will just be a QB. The problem with the Fins' Wildcat is that they really can't throw the ball all that well with it. They did it last year by catching defenses off guard, but I believe defenses will catch up to it at the rate they are going. With their current Wildcat that puts Pennington out at WR and he's essentially a non-factor on the play. With White they can do some things. Didn't hate the pick, didn't love the pick. I like Davis and really like Sean Smith though and White's work ethic and leadership I think it was worth the pick.




YAKUZA

 

[Alexander]

The Dolphins already ran the wildcat well... so the White pick is an odd one to me. Why use a r2 on a scheme you already succeed with in limited fashion. I seriously doubt it becomes anyone's base offense.

Having corners is awesome but Dallas got its best value of the entire draft taking CBs late. And Davis was about as lithe and agile as a sumo wrestler at the combine.

Coach Parcells loves gadget players and I doubt White was simply a by-product of the Wildcat. He will probably be asked to develop as a WR while being that gadget player who saves a roster spot because he can do different things.

 

[Alexander]

I agree. I think Wade's defense needs multiple pass rushers in order to be effective. Guys like Hodge, Williams, and Butler can be added to the mix on passing downs.

One thing that I found really depressing last year was how easy it was for teams to shut Ware down when they needed to and there was no one else to pick up the slack.

He's certainly been given the tools to succeed. If even a couple of these players pan out as simply subpackage contributors, he should have no excuses not to have a very dangerous pass rush.

He wasn't done any favors last season by having unathletic lumps like Carpenter and Rogers. I also think Burnett was not sharp enough mentally to do more than what we had him do.

 

[31smackdown]

What's that I hear?.. Ellis and Carp for next year's 2nd rounder? deal!

 

[Angus]

LOL's!!!! The way Tuna has Jerry we'd give Miami the 3 you mention and a 7th for a good ole pat on the back.

Saw Stephen Jones on the phones all draft day. Now we don't just have Jerrah mixing around, we have daddies boy too.

You sound bitter. Are you not a Daddy's boy? I guess you must be a Momma's boy instead.

 

[Angus]

they already drafted their olb. they got last year's cowboys without spending any draft picks

Yes, Dallas should have kept Erik Walden.

 

[Angus]

I think he is. If there is one thing I know Phillips can do is evaluate rushers, especially one he had his name attached to as was the case with Walden. He was simply a project we took that never panned out. It is not like he's doing a lot in Miami currently. All he would have had to do last year is perform on special teams and he didn't seem to do that.

He got caught in the numbers crunch, if I remember correctly. They thought they could park him on the taxi squad but he got picked up.

 

[Angus]

I thought it was a decent draft and I'm not sure if this was Ireland or Parcells. Parcells was a big proponent of having at least 4 quality corners. At least he mentioned it in Dallas, although we didn't always execute it. I remember we went cheap on corners in '04 and paid a heavy price for it.

Pat White is an interesting pick. I think the Wildcat will eventually get owned by NFL defenses, but who knows when that will happen or maybe it just is the future of NFL offenses.

YAKUZA

I believe the Pat White pick was an Ireland pick. He is Miami's Stanback who was an Ireland pick.

 

[Woods]

I believe the Pat White pick was an Ireland pick. He is Miami's Stanback who was an Ireland pick.

Yes, I agree with you.

And one of these back to you ---->

 

[Randy White]

I'm not sure White will just be a QB. The problem with the Fins' Wildcat is that they really can't throw the ball all that well with it. They did it last year by catching defenses off guard, but I believe defenses will catch up to it at the rate they are going. With their current Wildcat that puts Pennington out at WR and he's essentially a non-factor on the play. With White they can do some things. Didn't hate the pick, didn't love the pick. I like Davis and really like Sean Smith though and White's work ethic and leadership I think it was worth the pick.

Here's the thing: The " wild cat " play is a fad, a trick play. Just like the fumble rooskie or the Fridge with the Bears. Once teams figure them out, and they will this season, it's back to the shelves to collect dust.

Now if you put a QB to throw the ball on a " wild cat " play then it's not a surprise play anymore and it just becomes regular play with a QB who can run. The trick would have been a RB who could throw the ball lined up as a QB because then defenses would have to guess what he's going to do.

A QB who can run ? ppppppppffffffss.. defenses see those regulary.

So, basically, the Dullphins spent the 2nd round pick on a guy who's not going to be a QB in the NFL, and if they switch him to a " slash " position, he's going to have to learn how to be a receiver because he's never played that in his life.

 

[28 Joker]

I have to disagree with Alexander about Burnett. It was Burnett's size that the coaches were concerned about.

Jason Williams has size. He's built different.

That Dolphins draft was bazarre. It does have Jeff Ireland's fingerprints all over it.

You can thank Jeff Ireland for the likes of the James Marten, Doug Free, Courtney Brown, and Isaiah Stanback.

The Dolphins drafted mediocre WRs, hoping to hit on one. That is the price you pay when you don't go after them in rounds 1, 2 or 3. I can't see Bill Parcells putting up with Davis' attitude. Plus, he's a DB. Everyone knows Parcells loves to draft linemen and linebackers in round 1.

Sean Smith's attitude is in question, too. Saying that you don't want to play FS, doesn't exactly make you look like a guy who is sold out to do what is best for the team. I think Smith fell , in part, due to his attitude about playing FS, imo.

I'm glad Jeff Ireland is gone.

His finesse offensive linemen and 4th round projects at WR hurt this organization, imo.