Investing in the Trenches!

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Investing in the Trenches

This has been one of the biggest discussions around here. Year after year we heard that building the OL and DL was the only way to become a perennial power.

Starting with TSmith the Boys finally started drafting OL in the first round. He was followed by getting a steal with RLeary because of his knees. Then we went TFred and ZMartin back to back. Add in LCollins for free last year and you can argue that it is the best unit in the League.

On the D we drafted TCrawford and saw him blossom after a couple injuries. DLawrence followed a similar path and RGregory slipped to our advantage. Add in GHardy and JMincey and big things were expected.

After going 12-4 and witnessing great years from Romo. Dez and DMurray, 2015 was going to be our time again. Then it all came crashing down in PHI last Sept. With 2 stout front lines we still couldn't muster but one win without Romo, Dez and Murray. Which begs the question is it the chicken or the egg? DId the skill players make the lines look good or did the lines make the talent look better? I for one believe that it showed for once and always that QB1 and QB2 are the two most important players on the team.

We can never be caught QB naked again. It will take a change in philosophy and a change in the way we draft. But we have to invest picks and money into the position. Romo only has a couple years left as a top QB and we have to make plans. We have to start prioritizing QBs early and often until we get a good one and shouldn't stop until we have a couple.

I would also sign a veteran back-up until we have a homegrown QB that can win. If it means paying a little extra to get a guy like Fitzgerald or RGIII or Bradford then so be it. If CLE wants to drop JF then we have to bring him in. But I think we should have 3-4 quality QBs in the pipeline at all times.

To sum up, our vaunted OL didn't mean squat when Romo went down. We got a decent year out of McFadden but nothing like 2014 TD or yardage-wise. I have seen teams like NE and GB get by with decimated OLs but not without a real QB. DEN and CIN were able to hang on because they drafted back-up QBs. We were left trading for scraps when Romo went down. It was arrogance or ignorance that led to us counting on Weeden. Cassel and Moore(sounds like a bad law firm). The trenches are safe picks but maybe too safe. We need to add some talent to the skill players on this team.
 

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We have to? I just threw up in my mouth.

Remember I said "drop" him. He has to be brought in just for comparison's sake for Jerry. Kind of like how he never got over McFadden. It might force him to spend some picks on better QBs.
 

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Here's the problem as I see it...

There's just not much in the way of good QB play...especially #2 QB's. Yet Pittsburgh won with Landry freaking Jones (who is awful), Green Bay has won with Scott Tolzien, the Texans won with Brandon Weeden, the Bengals won with AJ McCarron (again, not impressed). Etc, etc, etc.

None of these guys are exactly lighting the world on fire. And our inability to win without Romo is an indictment towards the coaching staff. I don't expect us to have a really good #2 QB unless we draft a high round pick. But the fact we could only pull ONE victory without Romo is inexcusable. I think it's reasonable for us to have gone 6-10 without Romo this year, but 4-12?

So it appears now that pretty much regardless of who we bring in as a 'normal #2 QB' (not some stud rookie), we don't have the coaching staff in place to find ways to win without Romo.

The other thing is that I'm more and more convinced that the league, on defense, has turned into a DB league. You must have quality play from your DB's and in particular your safeties. You must be able to switch coverages constantly, going from man to different types of zone to playing press, faking press, playing off, etc. And your DB's had better be sound tacklers as well. Every team in the playoffs tackles noticeably better than the Cowboys and it all starts with the DB's.





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DLine won't be solid till we have a space eater at 1tech.

You can't say we haven't thrown resources at it though.

GHardy- 3rd comp for Murray + 9m
TCrawford- 3rd pick + 45m
DLawrence- 2nd and 3rd picks
RGregory- 2nd pick
Hayden- roll of film
 

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Here's the problem as I see it...

There's just not much in the way of good QB play...especially #2 QB's. Yet Pittsburgh won with Landry freaking Jones (who is awful), Green Bay has won with Scott Tolzien, the Texans won with Brandon Weeden, the Bengals won with AJ McCarron (again, not impressed). Etc, etc, etc.

None of these guys are exactly lighting the world on fire. And our inability to win without Romo is an indictment towards the coaching staff. I don't expect us to have a really good #2 QB unless we draft a high round pick. But the fact we could only pull ONE victory without Romo is inexcusable. I think it's reasonable for us to have gone 6-10 without Romo this year, but 4-12?

So it appears now that pretty much regardless of who we bring in as a 'normal #2 QB' (not some stud rookie), we don't have the coaching staff in place to find ways to win without Romo.

The other thing is that I'm more and more convinced that the league, on defense, has turned into a DB league. You must have quality play from your DB's and in particular your safeties. You must be able to switch coverages constantly, going from man to different types of zone to playing press, faking press, playing off, etc. And your DB's had better be sound tacklers as well. Every team in the playoffs tackles noticeably better than the Cowboys and it all starts with the DB's.

I don't know if investing in DBs is the way to go. It is a passing league and geared towards offenses.

I don't see that changing. Have a top 5 offense and an average to good Defense and you go to playoffs every year.
 

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Here's the problem as I see it...

There's just not much in the way of good QB play...especially #2 QB's. Yet Pittsburgh won with Landry freaking Jones (who is awful), Green Bay has won with Scott Tolzien, the Texans won with Brandon Weeden, the Bengals won with AJ McCarron (again, not impressed). Etc, etc, etc.

None of these guys are exactly lighting the world on fire. And our inability to win without Romo is an indictment towards the coaching staff. I don't expect us to have a really good #2 QB unless we draft a high round pick. But the fact we could only pull ONE victory without Romo is inexcusable. I think it's reasonable for us to have gone 6-10 without Romo this year, but 4-12?

So it appears now that pretty much regardless of who we bring in as a 'normal #2 QB' (not some stud rookie), we don't have the coaching staff in place to find ways to win without Romo.

The other thing is that I'm more and more convinced that the league, on defense, has turned into a DB league. You must have quality play from your DB's and in particular your safeties. You must be able to switch coverages constantly, going from man to different types of zone to playing press, faking press, playing off, etc. And your DB's had better be sound tacklers as well. Every team in the playoffs tackles noticeably better than the Cowboys and it all starts with the DB's.





YR

I would add that fast lbers who can cover and tackle reliably are extremely valuable in preventing YAC from short routes.
 

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Remember I said "drop" him. He has to be brought in just for comparison's sake for Jerry. Kind of like how he never got over McFadden. It might force him to spend some picks on better QBs.
I don't care if JF paid us to let him just work out I was no part of that idiot and him no where close to our team.
 

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We must change the looks and play calls on offense everybody has figured out how to stop this offense. Sure a qb who can throw deep accurately will help, but if everyone knows what is coming, it's all moot. On defense, Rod must b more aggressive, we have speed, and speed kills. If you unleash the front seven this becomes a top five unit, and your dbs look like world beaters. Oh yea, turnovers begin to happen on a regular basis..... Go figure
 

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You can't say we haven't thrown resources at it though.

GHardy- 3rd comp for Murray + 9m
TCrawford- 3rd pick + 45m
DLawrence- 2nd and 3rd picks
RGregory- 2nd pick
Hayden- roll of film

We haven't, none of those guys are a 1-Tech, not even that roll of film...
 

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Here's the problem as I see it...

There's just not much in the way of good QB play...especially #2 QB's. Yet Pittsburgh won with Landry freaking Jones (who is awful), Green Bay has won with Scott Tolzien, the Texans won with Brandon Weeden, the Bengals won with AJ McCarron (again, not impressed). Etc, etc, etc.

None of these guys are exactly lighting the world on fire. And our inability to win without Romo is an indictment towards the coaching staff. I don't expect us to have a really good #2 QB unless we draft a high round pick. But the fact we could only pull ONE victory without Romo is inexcusable. I think it's reasonable for us to have gone 6-10 without Romo this year, but 4-12?

So it appears now that pretty much regardless of who we bring in as a 'normal #2 QB' (not some stud rookie), we don't have the coaching staff in place to find ways to win without Romo.

The other thing is that I'm more and more convinced that the league, on defense, has turned into a DB league. You must have quality play from your DB's and in particular your safeties. You must be able to switch coverages constantly, going from man to different types of zone to playing press, faking press, playing off, etc. And your DB's had better be sound tacklers as well. Every team in the playoffs tackles noticeably better than the Cowboys and it all starts with the DB's.





YR
This sums it up.
 
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