Irvin sucks up to Tiki, a little.

[dfense]

Anybody catch Irvin talking nicey nice about Tiki before the game? He said Tiki is a Hall of Famer lock. I thought that was lame on Mike's part. He's usually one to be blunt, but obviously was waving the olive branch out there to Tiki. At least Steve Young was the voice of reason and said that Tiki should play for 3-5 more years, then check back. Maybe Tiki will call Young an idiot on his radio show this week.

 

[JPM]

He'll be too busy throwing his teammates and coaches under the bus this week to say anything about Young.

 

[Doomsday]

The bigger question is Tiki a lock for the Hall of Fame? Seems like a bit of a stretch to me, he is a good running back but typically only the best of the best RBs make the HOF. I wouldnt put him in the top 5 of his time at RB.

 

[Direwolf63]

Anybody catch Irvin talking nicey nice about Tiki before the game? He said Tiki is a Hall of Famer lock. I thought that was lame on Mike's part. He's usually one to be blunt, but obviously was waving the olive branch out there to Tiki. At least Steve Young was the voice of reason and said that Tiki should play for 3-5 more years, then check back. Maybe Tiki will call Young an idiot on his radio show this week.

Tiki is borderline. His numbers are such that he probably shouldn't make it. Especially if he doesn't win a Super Bowl

But he probably will because he is so popular. Being a face of the league helps, even though it shouldn't.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Both Irvin and Barber are idiots.
The differnece is Irvin has the stats and the cred. And the Super Bowl bling.
Barber better enjoy his current love-in with the NFL and media and endorsements. After this year he'll just be another studio guy who played the game.

 

[vta]

It is a what have you done for me lately kind of world and with Tiki looking like a premiere running back, people tend to forget his career hasn't been stellar, as far as stellar backs are concerned.

Next to greats like Smith, Sanders, Brown and the like, he doesn't belong in the Hall. He's great for his team, that's about it.

 

[LeonDixson]

I'm in a serious minority here. I know that, but I like Tiki as a person and think he deserves a lot of credit for getting so much better. Cutting down on fumbles, etc.

However, Hall of Fame??????

No way does he belong there, especially without a superbowl.:bang2:

 

[ravidubey]

Tiki needs to dominate in the playoffs or else shut up about the Hall Of Fame. His numbers are outstanding, but Little Train James put up astounding numbers too. For all the numbers, did Tiki actually win anything? What did he do in the Superbowl against the Ravens?

Roger Craig-- great running back, multi-Superbowl champ, not a HOFer.

Terrell Davis-- awesome running back, Superbowl MVP, league MVP, 2000+ yards in a season, not a HOFer.

Herschel Walker-- one of the highest all-purpose yardage guys ever, a fantastic back, and pro-football record holder for rushing yards in a season-- not a HOFer.

Rickey Watters-- flat out dominant back who statistically crushes Tiki in every category and has a Superbowl ring, not a HOFer.

Running backs are the most highly scrutinized "marquee" positions for the HOF.

You need to:

1 Be prolific. This takes endurance, but I think an unofficial cutoff is that you need to be in the top 10 in rushing at the time you retire. This is the most critical thing for backs. If you don't have this, pray you have 2-3 in spades.

2 Dominate in the playoffs and in big regular season games. Great backs make their greatest plays here. Emmitt Smith became a HOFer because of this long before he even approached the rushing title. This wasn't enough for Terrell Davis.

3. Demonstrate you have "it", that great ability to not only dominate the very best and take over a game, but also elevate your teammates. Be a player that throws opposing DC's and defensive players into fits. Do this every year you are in the league. Earl Campbell and Gale Sayers got into the HOF because of this, and they are rare exceptions.

4. Don't be an injury prone b***h, a primadonna/whiner, or an above average back on a passing offense. This doomed WCO puppies James Brooks, Roger Craig, and Rickey Watters despite their longevity and great stats. A combo of injuries and WCO might greatly hurt Shaun Alexander's chances unless he has another season like 2005. Tiki's whining about Irvin's comments really hurt him IMO.

 

[khiladi]

It is a what have you done for me lately kind of world and with Tiki looking like a premiere running back, people tend to forget his career hasn't been stellar, as far as stellar backs are concerned.

He's not scoring... The guy has ONE touchdown this year...

 

[YosemiteSam]

If I were ESPN Irvin wouldn't be back next year. He looks like a fool everytime he talks about the Cowboys. He said quote: Everyone that works at ESPN is stupid except Mort and myself. (because they are the only ones that picked the Cowboys to go to the Superbowl)

They tell him he can't talk while they are talking because he only spews homerism. He doesn't bring anything to the table. If I were ESPN, I would cut ties after this season.

 

[dogunwo]

I'm in a serious minority here. I know that, but I like Tiki as a person and think he deserves a lot of credit for getting so much better. Cutting down on fumbles, etc.

However, Hall of Fame??????

No way does he belong there, especially without a superbowl.:bang2:

I am with you on this one. Very good running back, but the hall of fame is reserved for the greats, not the very goods.

 

[Direwolf63]

If I were ESPN Irvin wouldn't be back next year. He looks like a fool everytime he talks about the Cowboys. He said quote: Everyone that works at ESPN is stupid except Mort and myself. (because they are the only ones that picked the Cowboys to go to the Superbowl)

They tell him he can't talk while they are talking because he only spews homerism. He doesn't bring anything to the table. If I were ESPN, I would cut ties after this season.

That may very well happen. And he could be replaced with...............

Tiki Barber.



Oh the irony.....

 

[dfense]

If I were ESPN Irvin wouldn't be back next year. He looks like a fool everytime he talks about the Cowboys. He said quote: Everyone that works at ESPN is stupid except Mort and myself. (because they are the only ones that picked the Cowboys to go to the Superbowl)

They tell him he can't talk while they are talking because he only spews homerism. He doesn't bring anything to the table. If I were ESPN, I would cut ties after this season.

I think you're missing the tongue n cheek routine he plays. He's is entertaining, doesn't take himself too seriously, lightens up the other guys and he's LOTS better than a guy like Deion Sanders..

 

[DawnOfANewD]

I like Tiki too and he will have put up 5 straight solid seasons including this year. I just don't think he has been as productive year in and year out for as long as an E. Smith or Tony Dorsett-like-HOF-worthy RB should be. That said, he was often the Giants only offensive weapon as for the longest time they had nothing but dross like Hilliard and Toomer at WR. He is also a Marshall-Faulk-like multi-purpose threat at RB in that he's a great receiver out of the backfield and consistently puts up solid receiving numbers, and subsequently racks up a lot of yards from scrimmage. He's definitely not an E. Smith or Jim Brown or what have you though.

 

[vta]

He's not scoring... The guy has ONE touchdown this year...

Not so premiere after all, but 3rd or 4th in rushing.
One? Jeez... They give to Jacobs at the goal line everytime.

 

[FiveTime]

Irvin made very similar comments before the whole "distraction and idiot" deal came about.

I don't think it is Irvin trying to play nice; it is his real opinion.