Is anyone ever open?

vlad

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,508
Reaction score
2,436
I feel like I could ask this every week since Garrett took over the offense. It seems like our guys are never open. And it can't just be execution as coach likes to say. Everyone seems to be blanketed. If we do get someone open it's a fluky double move that's not tone counted on for consistent success.

Hairic did a great breakdown earlier in the year about the chargers game...no one open. That's why romo has to run around like a madmen in the past. That's not winning football.

Any coaches, players, scouts, etc have any expert comments? Thanks
 
Last edited:

CATCH17

1st Round Pick
Messages
67,666
Reaction score
86,212
We're basic and predictable in the National Football League. We're just relying on our guys to out athlete the other teams guys and when that doesn't happen we have no idea how to be creative and get guys open.

Our formations give away the play 95% of the time and pretty much what you see is what you get.
 

perrykemp

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,503
Reaction score
9,274
With the knowledge the Cowboys give up on the running game at the first hint of defensive resistant, the Cowboys go into shotgun / empty set / throw it all the time mode.

At that point it becomes 5 WR/TEs vs 7 DBs. Teams double Dez, they double Witten, and that leaves 3 DBs to man up a rookie (TWill), a midget (Beasley), and a backup TE (Hannah) or RB coming out of the backfield.

Is it any surprise the Cowboys aren't getting open?
 

TonyS

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,259
Reaction score
1,898
I think it is a combination of a predictable offense, Romo's inability to see the field unless given 3 or more seconds and a subpar offensive line.
 

CowboyStar88

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,179
Reaction score
25,570
The route the WR run are long developing routes while Witten works underneath. There are no quick hitters to the WRs at all. I've been saying this for weeks about how this scheme is terrible. Witten is not an athletic TE and he should not be the focal point of the offense
 

Tusan_Homichi

Heisenberg
Messages
11,059
Reaction score
3,485
It's always interesting to me how it seems like there's so much space in our secondary so often and yet, even when we're rolling as an offense, our receivers always have someone draped on them when they catch it.
 

NoLuv4Jerry

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,698
Reaction score
4,911
this offense is designed for a "break the other teams will" running game. Then it will make everything easier for the guys on the outside because the safeties have to come down into the box. This is not complicated stuff. A high school coach could call this offense IF the running game was dominant. The it is just play action, slants, double moves etc. Think about it...we have won Super Bowls with Micheal Irvin and question marks opposite him. I think one year it was Irvin and Kevin Williams. Heck we went 13-3 with TO and Patrick Crayton. But in all of those cases...our OL was much better which meant our running game was much better and you could get away with a #3 WR opposite a Irvin, TO etc....With no running game...the safety can double Dez.....the other CB can cover his guy on his own...and the defense just blitzes into submission. What is happening to Dallas is not rocket science.
 

vlad

Well-Known Member
Messages
3,508
Reaction score
2,436
I disagree with those that say Romo cant read progressions fast enough. Guys are generally blanketed from the start and the plays aren't designed to get ball out quick, outside of inside slants to Beasley, or these failed TEscreens that were most successful with Marty b in preseason. Amazing since our line has been bad the last 5 years or so. This is probably our best line in recent memory sadly.

I feel like we give our offensive players from line to skill zero scheme advantage.
 

CATCH17

1st Round Pick
Messages
67,666
Reaction score
86,212
this offense is designed for a "break the other teams will" running game. Then it will make everything easier for the guys on the outside because the safeties have to come down into the box. This is not complicated stuff. A high school coach could call this offense IF the running game was dominant. The it is just play action, slants, double moves etc. Think about it...we have won Super Bowls with Micheal Irvin and question marks opposite him. I think one year it was Irvin and Kevin Williams. Heck we went 13-3 with TO and Patrick Crayton. But in all of those cases...our OL was much better which meant our running game was much better and you could get away with a #3 WR opposite a Irvin, TO etc....With no running game...the safety can double Dez.....the other CB can cover his guy on his own...and the defense just blitzes into submission. What is happening to Dallas is not rocket science.


I agree with you but the NFL has evolved into a passing league and we need to give up on that style of football... You know why? Because we can't figure out how to run the ball.

Dallas thinks they are going to come out in these heavy run formations and actually run the ball effectively. It's not 1993 and we don't have the best Oline of all time.

If the other team KNOWS we're going to run chances are they will stop it.
 

Tenkamenin

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,605
Reaction score
4,026
1st and 10 on the first drive in the second qtr, the Saints stacked the box leaving Dez was isolated 1 on 1 with no safety help over the top. I wish Romo audibled out of it to take advantage of that 1 on 1 opportunity because Dez would've beat that corner for a large gain.
 

sbark

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,214
Reaction score
4,408
I'd swear we are playing with 9 on defense.........and the other team has 14 playing the way our wr are always covered, even doubled and the other teams WRs' are running free across the field uncontested. Could the refs not be counting? :)
 

NoLuv4Jerry

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,698
Reaction score
4,911
I agree with you but the NFL has evolved into a passing league and we need to give up on that style of football... You know why? Because we can't figure out how to run the ball.

Dallas thinks they are going to come out in these heavy run formations and actually run the ball effectively. It's not 1993 and we don't have the best Oline of all time.

If the other team KNOWS we're going to run chances are they will stop it.

Get no argument out of me. I was not one of the guys complaing about running it 9 times against the Vikings. We moved the ball the best way we know how and we WON. Today we returned to the runnin game and got blown out. Be who you are. Play to the strengths of your team. Win or lose doing what you do best. It is not like we are going to become someone else over night!
 

Super_Kazuya

Well-Known Member
Messages
7,074
Reaction score
9,113
All I know is that when Williams actually made a move and got open the ball was instantly delivered for a touchdown. It's pretty clear that our receivers are not winning their battles most of the time. Compare it to Brees with all day to throw and receivers in wide open space and the contrast is jarring.
 

khiladi

Well-Known Member
Messages
36,965
Reaction score
37,488
With the knowledge the Cowboys give up on the running game at the first hint of defensive resistant, the Cowboys go into shotgun / empty set / throw it all the time mode.

At that point it becomes 5 WR/TEs vs 7 DBs. Teams double Dez, they double Witten, and that leaves 3 DBs to man up a rookie (TWill), a midget (Beasley), and a backup TE (Hannah) or RB coming out of the backfield.

Is it any surprise the Cowboys aren't getting open?

We don't even have to run.. we can throw quick passes to the RBs out of the backfield.. some flares and screens.. quick crossing routes... Sproles abused us las night in the passing game...
 

jubal

Active Member
Messages
690
Reaction score
53
I'd swear we are playing with 9 on defense.........and the other team has 14 playing the way our wr are always covered, even doubled and the other teams WRs' are running free across the field uncontested. Could the refs not be counting? :)

I agree. We were always giving them first down yards to keep them from getting behind the defenders,imho.
 

links18

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,325
Reaction score
20,107
We don't even have to run.. we can throw quick passes to the RBs out of the backfield.. some flares and screens.. quick crossing routes... Sproles abused us las night in the passing game...

I don't think Garrett/Callahan know what screens, flares or swing passes are. They like the TE line of scrimmage route a lot though.
 
Top