Is coaching really the problem?

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As bad as it pains me to write this, I think it begs the question. Is coaching really the problem? Parcells couldn't fix the defense and we all called for his head, me included. So Jerry brings in Phillips and the results are the same. Maybe it isn't the coaching, but the talent?????

I've heard many time how talent transends the scheme, and a talented player can play in any scheme. D. Ware might be the only talented player on the field right now.

Just a thought.
 

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I agree. With that being said, two different defensive coaches are having very similar results. Parcells defense for half the season that year was really good. The second half was terrible. Now this defense reminds me of that defense. Same talent with a different scheme.
 

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the players are the main thing wrong with the defense. they're stupid and mental midgets except for a couple.
 

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This is what I have been saying. Maybe the talent on defense just sucks. I really think other than Ware and Newman not one other guy on that efense could start anywhere else.
 

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its the players and the coaches;

both,

main problem is wade not having players accountable, wont roast them, or cut or trade them

when you dont make players accountable, how will they get better, they just can say, i have the team made, you will get fired coach

till these players are having their rear bottom kicked, and you cut or trade some of these players saying why you cut thm or traded them, then the players wont change why should they, you baby them wade

then look at parcells he was known as a tough you know what, and he couldnt get the players motivated for the 2 playoff games parcells took the cowboys too the playoffs,

ultimately the players have to play, but coaches have to coach

now to coaches, when you have to have 4 of your asst coaches teaching special teams, that shows right there, the speciall teams coach isnt feared by the players or respected, because the players keep messing up on special teams, then when you made those 4 asst coaches teach special teams, you took them away from what they were doing, like campo on dbs, etc

next, like todd archer said, the cowboys should have checked out romo way before game time with the rams, and if need be then they could activate brooks, but management didnt do that, thats goes back to coaches

then lets look at flozell adams we all agree that flozell was playing badly in the arizona game, possibly leading to romo getting hurt, why wasnt the offensie line coach houck getting mcquistan or doug free ready, its the offensive line coachs job to get those players ready

then lets look at the long run by jackson of rams in the 3rd qtr, the rams used 2 OT's on the left side, did stuart see it and call another defense, no way 2 linebackers and small zach should have been out there alone on 2 big OT's, again poor coaching

its both, players and coaches

this is the nfl and the nfl east, just like nate newton said, this is a slobber knocker game again, and you have to have your players ready mentally and physically ready to play heads up, man on man, knocking the offensive linemen or defensive linemen ready to play smash type football

but when you dont hit in practice, get your players used to absorb and give those hits, then the other teams will slobber knock you around

jimmy johnson knew this and he always got his players ready, but no, not wade, i dont want them hurt in practice

so now some of the players are getting soft, why do i say soft, listen to what the cardinals said, we saw body language of the cowboy players on special teams that sometimes they dont hit in kickoff coverage and punting, so we thought we could make some plays sure enough a touchdown on kickoff and a punt blocked where we lost our best punter ever for the cowboys in mcbrair

then listen to what the rams said, we thought if we could get on top of them early in the game, we could like break their morale, confidence, because we could see their body language the way they played, not hard, here i come, but laid back, just liike old wade

if you dont practice hitting etc iin practice it shows up in games, in special teams and offensive line and defensive line

its both, players and coaches, just like keith davis said on special teams, you have to want to, some of the players have an attitude i dont want to give up or sacrifice my body, etc,
 

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The team has lost 3 or the last 4 and 7 of the last 24 to keep it in perspective. And no playoff win.

It's some coaching. Garrett has really torqued me. Not helping the OL esp when a player was injured is negligent IMO. The defense is too passive and vanilla.

But players have to play. The turnovers are the deadliest. The STs have failed for the most part. The OL has played poorly the last few games and contributed to the injury of our QB. The defense is tackling poorly. Poor tackling is a mental issue unless they never learned which is unlikely. Those are correctable coaching and players issues.

You can only have so many injuries/losses to critical areas. At some point you will have issues that will take time to adjust to. Rarely a team is so dominant they can adjust easily. We just aren't that good apparently.

They will address the OL. I think we'll see that get better. It's hard for us to see all the stunts etc but it will get addressed. They are just too good to actually fail. How well they will respond is a mystery to me.

The STs are being looked at. They should at least stop the breakdowns. If we see more blocked kicks and total breakdowns then it had better be player breakdown of their own doing.

The players should be taking the tackling problem on themselves. My only fear here is not enough team speed to compensate. They may truly be a problem at MLB and safety. They must help the DL.

They need to up the pressure some and that's coaching for the most part. And they have to do that without letting the run defense down. Esp for this game. If the Bucs are able to run the ball effectively we will have trouble winning this game.
 

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D1G;2369450 said:
As bad as it pains me to write this, I think it begs the question. Is coaching really the problem? Parcells couldn't fix the defense and we all called for his head, me included. So Jerry brings in Phillips and the results are the same. Maybe it isn't the coaching, but the talent?????

I've heard many time how talent transends the scheme, and a talented player can play in any scheme. D. Ware might be the only talented player on the field right now.

Just a thought.
I have said this for years and got blasted for it.i think Wade Phillips stinks as a head coach.but the problem with this defense is a lot of overrated players. this defense wont be fixed until we get better players. no matter who the coach is.
 

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cowboyjoe;2369533 said:
its the players and the coaches;

both,

main problem is wade not having players accountable, wont roast them, or cut or trade them

when you dont make players accountable, how will they get better, they just can say, i have the team made, you will get fired coach

till these players are having their rear bottom kicked, and you cut or trade some of these players saying why you cut thm or traded them, then the players wont change why should they, you baby them wade

then look at parcells he was known as a tough you know what, and he couldnt get the players motivated for the 2 playoff games parcells took the cowboys too the playoffs,

ultimately the players have to play, but coaches have to coach

now to coaches, when you have to have 4 of your asst coaches teaching special teams, that shows right there, the speciall teams coach isnt feared by the players or respected, because the players keep messing up on special teams, then when you made those 4 asst coaches teach special teams, you took them away from what they were doing, like campo on dbs, etc

next, like todd archer said, the cowboys should have checked out romo way before game time with the rams, and if need be then they could activate brooks, but management didnt do that, thats goes back to coaches

then lets look at flozell adams we all agree that flozell was playing badly in the arizona game, possibly leading to romo getting hurt, why wasnt the offensie line coach houck getting mcquistan or doug free ready, its the offensive line coachs job to get those players ready

then lets look at the long run by jackson of rams in the 3rd qtr, the rams used 2 OT's on the left side, did stuart see it and call another defense, no way 2 linebackers and small zach should have been out there alone on 2 big OT's, again poor coaching

its both, players and coaches

this is the nfl and the nfl east, just like nate newton said, this is a slobber knocker game again, and you have to have your players ready mentally and physically ready to play heads up, man on man, knocking the offensive linemen or defensive linemen ready to play smash type football

but when you dont hit in practice, get your players used to absorb and give those hits, then the other teams will slobber knock you around

jimmy johnson knew this and he always got his players ready, but no, not wade, i dont want them hurt in practice

so now some of the players are getting soft, why do i say soft, listen to what the cardinals said, we saw body language of the cowboy players on special teams that sometimes they dont hit in kickoff coverage and punting, so we thought we could make some plays sure enough a touchdown on kickoff and a punt blocked where we lost our best punter ever for the cowboys in mcbrair

then listen to what the rams said, we thought if we could get on top of them early in the game, we could like break their morale, confidence, because we could see their body language the way they played, not hard, here i come, but laid back, just liike old wade

if you dont practice hitting etc iin practice it shows up in games, in special teams and offensive line and defensive line

its both, players and coaches, just like keith davis said on special teams, you have to want to, some of the players have an attitude i dont want to give up or sacrifice my body, etc,



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BOTH. Its up to the coaches to get the players technically ready on the game plan and to adjust to changes/injuries/etc. They have not done very well.
ITs up to the players to play with fire and not make mistakes. This they have not done.
 

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Well lets remember who basically brought this entire defense in either through the draft or free agency, and that was Bill Parcells...a coach. A supposedly highly competent coach at that. A coach who thought he could prototype player personalities into an effective defense. Which apparently wasn't the case because for the most part they are all entirely lackluster and this "work ethic" and "heart" they supposedly had above every other player they could've taken instead has resulted in what we have today. Ware and a few players JERRY has personally brought in are the only ones who seem to be the exception on defense.

And it's not only on defense, but also on the Offensive Line as well. Another Parcells "area of expertise". Mostly, aside from a few exceptions, it's Jerry's players, Wade, Stewy and Jason trying to make Lemonade out of a bunch of rotten lemons that were left behind.

Not much anyone can do when half the team doesn't want to try. All the coaching in the world can't fix all these headcases our former coach brought in. In fact, only he could get in these type of players heads, and he's gone. And what we're seeing now is the new generation of LT's and Keyshawns who will seemingly only play and produce for one person in this league. Otherwise completely useless unless we trade them to Miami.
 

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Our defensive players are just not very good. For all this talk that they are so talented, it's just not true when you brake it down. We really only have 2 play makers on the team and one is playing out of position.

Spears - Has no playmaking abilty. Can play the run and thats it, has NO pass rush skills.

Ratliff - Great pass rusher with playmaking abilty but is playing out of position. Should be a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 noseguard.

Canty - Same as Spears.

Ware - The only star on the deffensive side of the ball.

James - Has no playmaking abilty, nor any coverage skills. Way overated and is an below average MLB.

Thomas - The jury is still out on him, seams to be around the ball but doesn't do much.

Ellis - Another guy that is playing out of postion. He has no businees being a LB as he cannot play in space. Now that his pass rushing abilty appear to be on the decline he is a major liablity.

Henry - Don't know what has happened to the guy but he seems to be lost this year. Use to be a playmaker but appears to have lost a step.

Hamlin - Super overated. Likes to miss a lot of tackles and doesn't seem to make a lot of plays in run defense. Will come up with some int's thou. A good player but not great like people make him out to be.

Davis - People thought Roy was bad in coverage wait to DC's start picking on Davis. Yikes!

Newman - Has great coverage abilty but has zero ball skills.

IMO when you break it down we only have 3 real pieces to the 3-4 puzzle right now (Ware, Hamlin, & Newman). The rest all need to be upgraded. Hopefully Spencer and Jenkins can step up and fill two more spots and shifting Ratlif back to DE would fill another.
 

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I really think Jerry thought he could bring in another defensive-minded coach, with smaller nads, to take the team to the promised land. Another one of my assumptions is he could hire a young offensive coordinator (Garrett) to run the offense which he (Jerry) loaded up with talent. Meanwhile, the defense would be overseen by Phillips. But nay I say. Somehow or another, Stewart was actually, by some miracle, left to run the D. Huh? :confused:

Now I realize the players make plays. And I would agree that the first thing you have to do is get those players who make plays. But come on, Stewart? Where did he come from? And what has Wade been doing the whole time? Meanwhile, our defense is a mess. We got Ware and Ellis in pass coverage, Newman and Willliams are hurt, a midget linebacker, and on and on...

I wish I could think of a short-term solution, but in reality I can't.
 

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I'm also thinking that some of it is guys trying to make a play (DL) rather than respect their assignments. Reflects on our lack of run support and why the middle is always clogged when we blitz inside... Just my two cents.
 

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D1G;2369450 said:
As bad as it pains me to write this, I think it begs the question. Is coaching really the problem? Parcells couldn't fix the defense and we all called for his head, me included. So Jerry brings in Phillips and the results are the same. Maybe it isn't the coaching, but the talent?????

I've heard many time how talent transends the scheme, and a talented player can play in any scheme. D. Ware might be the only talented player on the field right now.

Just a thought.

I've been feeling this way for a while now.....
 
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