Is Dak as capable as McNabb was?

[Parcells4Life]

Coming out of college Donovan couldn’t throw at all. He was a scrambler first and throw 2nd. Injuries over time made him become a refined passer because he couldn’t outrun people.

And despite never having good WRs except for 1.5 years of TO, they made 3 straight NFC Championshps.

So if Andy Reid was putting in a system for Dak, would he look anything like McNabb did? He’s nowhere near as talented as Mahomes passing so that’s not even fair to ask for that.

But quick slants and deep balls and scrambling like Jacksonville with a good running attack having Zeke play the role of Westbrook could easily work. A better TE is probably needed but not a huge drawback to what’s available now.

Dak actually can throw a good deep ball at times. He’s thrown dimes like balls to Gallup and he’s missed badly like Monday night to Cooper and Beasley. Just not consistent enough.

Steve Young never was asked to throw button hooks. He was all slants and bombs. If nothing was there he took off. Vick same thing.

DeShaun Watson is mostly crossing routes. The one to Hopkins was a crossing route. The button hook is for guys like Mahomes and Goff that throw it 100 mph and in a 3 inch spot.

Timing routes and button hooks need to go. They don’t work with QBs that aren’t accurate all the time Hope the next HC/OC figures this out.

 

[xwalker]

Coming out of college Donovan couldn’t throw at all. He was a scrambler first and throw 2nd. Injuries over time made him become a refined passer because he couldn’t outrun people.

And despite never having good WRs except for 1.5 years of TO, they made 3 straight NFC Championshps.

So if Andy Reid was putting in a system for Dak, would he look anything like McNabb did? He’s nowhere near as talented as Mahomes passing so that’s not even fair to ask for that.

But quick slants and deep balls and scrambling like Jacksonville with a good running attack having Zeke play the role of Westbrook could easily work. A better TE is probably needed but not a huge drawback to what’s available now.

Dak actually can throw a good deep ball at times. He’s thrown dimes like balls to Gallup and he’s missed badly like Monday night to Cooper and Beasley. Just not consistent enough.

Steve Young never was asked to throw button hooks. He was all slants and bombs. If nothing was there he took off. Vick same thing.

DeShaun Watson is mostly crossing routes. The one to Hopkins was a crossing route. The button hook is for guys like Mahomes and Goff that throw it 100 mph and in a 3 inch spot.

Timing routes and button hooks need to go. They don’t work with QBs that aren’t accurate all the time Hope the next HC/OC figures this out.

Dak can be better than McNabb.

Dak is much smarter.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

McNabb could throw the deep ball. Dak not so much. Who remembers the year that the Eagles and Cowboys were the #1 and #2 big play offenses in the NFL? McNabb and Romo were the QBs that year.

 

[Zman5]

I mentioned this few weeks ago. McNabb has career 59% completion rate. He wasn't a very accurate passer. And he played mostly with scrub WR. T.O. was the only good receiver he had and it was for a short time. Yet he was able to have success due to Andy Reid and his ability to get the most out of his players.

 

[Tenkamenin]

I mentioned this few weeks ago. McNabb has career 59% completion rate. He wasn't a very accurate passer. And he played mostly with scrub WR. T.O. was the only good receiver he had and it was for a short time. Yet he was able to have success due to Andy Reid and his ability to get the most out of his players.

In 2003 McNabb’s completion percentage was 57%, the following year when TO joined, his completion percentage shot up to 64%. That percentage jump was no accident, and had McNabb had reliable receivers throughout his career, his numbers would’ve been significantly better in that Reid offense.

 

[Zman5]

In 2003 McNabb’s completion percentage was 57%, the following year when TO joined, his completion percentage shot up to 64%. That percentage jump was no accident, and had McNabb had reliable receivers throughout his career, his numbers would’ve been significantly better in that Reid offense.

That's why I don't understand people thinking WR/TE don't matter and Dak should be able make theses scrub WR/TE we have look better than they are. People need to realize, there are only few QBs who can do that. Especially young ones.

Name one QB who is playing well without a good OL and receivers. Maybe Wilson. That's about it.

 

[Bobhaze]

Dak isn’t great. But he’s also not “trash” as too many on here think.

Look, good coaching of a young QB matters a ton. Look at what Andy Reid has done with Patrick Mahomes. As a big Tech fan, I saw Mahomes play a lot in college, and although he has great athletic skills and arm strength, he was raw coming out of college. Reid has maximized Mahomes’ talent. I’m not comparing Dak to PMs talent, but again, coaching is huge in developing a young QB.

Sean McVea took a young, discouraged Jared Goff and turned him completely around through coaching and making the offensive system fit his skills better. McVea’s philosophy is the polar opposite of the cripplingly conservative Garrett- he often says “We don’t fear failure when making decisions”. Unlike Mahomes, Goff doesn’t have the arm strength but McVea has taught Goof how to maximize his talent. Not saying Dak is Goff. But again, coaching matters a ton when developing a young QB.

Linehan and Garrett are not only NOT good at mentoring young QBs, the offensive system they use is the NFL’s version of vanilla ice cream. It’s the most unimaginative scheme in the league now. Garrett’s system is based first on the tired moniker, “Fight”.

Maybe Dak will never be anything. But before he’s completely discarded at age 25, I would like to see him have a chance with some really good offensive coaches.

Look, QBs don’t grow on trees. Fans may hate Dak now but there’s not a QB garden to go pick the next Tom Brady. If Jerry says he wants to stay with Dak, he better find some coaches that can develop him.

 

[Nav22]

That’s a great question and a valid point.

Dak is young enough and has shown enough flashes to still have some potential for the long-term. But can we build the right team around him to take advantage?

McNabb also had the luxury of a top-notch defense.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

One thing Mcnabb had was a cannon. That let's you get away with things you normally shouldn't be able to. He's 9th all-time in lowest interception % because he threw passes that if his WR wasn't getting it, nobody was. He was also more accurate the deeper he threw, if that makes any sense.

 

[SlammedZero]

Dak isn’t great. But he’s also not “trash” as too many on here think.

Look, good coaching of a young QB matters a ton. Look at what Andy Reid has done with Patrick Mahomes. As a big Tech fan, I saw Mahomes play a lot in college, and although he has great athletic skills and arm strength, he was raw coming out of college. Reid has maximized Mahomes’ talent. I’m not comparing Dak to PMs talent, but again, coaching is huge in developing a young QB.

Sean McVea took a young, discouraged Jared Goff and turned him completely around through coaching and making the offensive system fit his skills better. McVea’s philosophy is the polar opposite of the cripplingly conservative Garrett- he often says “We don’t fear failure when making decisions”. Unlike Mahomes, Goff doesn’t have the arm strength but McVea has taught Goof how to maximize his talent. Not saying Dak is Goff. But again, coaching matters a ton when developing a young QB.

Linehan and Garrett are not only NOT good at mentoring young QBs, the offensive system they use is the NFL’s version of vanilla ice cream. It’s the most unimaginative scheme in the league now. Garrett’s system is based first on the tired moniker, “Fight”.

Maybe Dak will never be anything. But before he’s completely discarded at age 25, I would like to see him have a chance with some really good offensive coaches.

Look, QBs don’t grow on trees. Fans may hate Dak now but there’s not a QB garden to go pick the next Tom Brady. If Jerry says he wants to stay with Dak, he better find some coaches that can develop him.

So much of this. Good post.

 

[coult44]

Dak can be better than McNabb.

Dak is much smarter.

MCNabb got to like 5 championship games. 5 more than any of our guys thought about going to , including Tony Romo. I'd take that any day of the week!!! Say what you want, he bead better than us all those years

 

[J817]

Dak can be better than McNabb.

Dak is much smarter.

He sure as hell hasn’t showed he is smarter. I lol’d at this this

 

[Parcells4Life]

That’s a great question and a valid point.

Dak is young enough and has shown enough flashes to still have some potential for the long-term. But can we build the right team around him to take advantage?

McNabb also had the luxury of a top-notch defense.

With a more aggressive scheme and consistent DL, there could be a top notch defense here.

Jim Johnson and Spagnuolo were nightmares to face.

Getting an offensive scheme that will score 24+ points every week takes a lot of pressure off the defense to play perfect and let’s them take more chances

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

I get why this thread was started? You’re saying we need to steal Andy’s Reid away from Kansas City but will Jerry pony up the cash and let him dictate some stuff while he’s here. He’s worth a first round pick to get him here in Dallas and mold Dak. He did wonders with Alex Smith. It’s goin be hard for him to walk away from his rookie qb sensation, especially to downgrade to Dak. Dak might age Reid 5 years trying to get him right.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think many on here have yet to accept the reality that Dak is as good now as he's going to get.

 

[JDSmith]

Andy Reid is an all time great coach IMO. He had that Eagles team in contention every year when they had a poor QB. He could make Dak look astronomically better IMO. Dak isn't special, but he's not nearly as bad as many people now seem to believe. He's a middling NFL QB. Teams have won with less.

 

[Parcells4Life]

I get why this thread was started? You’re saying we need to steal Andy’s Reid away from Kansas City but will Jerry pony up the cash and let him dictate some stuff while he’s here. He’s worth a first round pick to get him here in Dallas and mold Dak. He did wonders with Alex Smith. It’s goin be hard for him to walk away from his rookie qb sensation, especially to downgrade to Dak. Dak might age Reid 5 years trying to get him right.

Clearly not. It’s saying before you say Dak is a bum, let’s look at other QBs who had limitations as well and see how coaching helped them. Reid is an example because he’s now taken 3 QBs and made them play to their potential.

There’s others out there like the man in Norman, Mr. Riley. Took a very solid but small QB and made him the #1 pick and is taking a baseball player and making him just as productive.

Who are other QBs that had clear deficiencies but overcame them other than Brees and Wilson.

 

[JDSmith]

I think many on here have yet to accept the reality that Dak is as good now as he's going to get.

I honestly don't believe that, at least I don't believe it's set in stone. Dak can play improve, and more importantly the team can win with Dak's play.

For example, Dak doesn't like to throw the deep outs. Anything along the sidelines 20+ yards down the field is not in his comfort zone. But when Dak rolls out he'll throw a great deep pass down the sideline, even when he's still running. He's not throwing an out then, he's throwing what he's comfortable with - the part of the field directly in front of him. It's just that when he rolls out that part of the field happens to be along a sideline. So use that for deep shots. And once the other team starts to expect a deep shot on the roll out throw a little screen to Zeke etc... There are plays there to be made with Dak, I'm not even a coach and I notice how much better he throws those deep passes on rollouts. A guy like Reid could turn that into a weapon.

 

[Bullflop]

Truthfully, I'm beginning to wonder if Dak is as capable as many of our QB unfortunates of the past.

Instead of maximizing their best traits, it appears we end up creating ways to emphasize their faults.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I honestly don't believe that, at least I don't believe it's set in stone. Dak can play improve, and more importantly the team can win with Dak's play.

For example, Dak doesn't like to throw the deep outs. Anything along the sidelines 20+ yards down the field is not in his comfort zone. But when Dak rolls out he'll throw a great deep pass down the sideline, even when he's still running. He's not throwing an out then, he's throwing what he's comfortable with - the part of the field directly in front of him. It's just that when he rolls out that part of the field happens to be along a sideline. So use that for deep shots. And once the other team starts to expect a deep shot on the roll out throw a little screen to Zeke etc... There are plays there to be made with Dak, I'm not even a coach and I notice how much better he throws those deep passes on rollouts. A guy like Reid could turn that into a weapon.

Same could be said for a number of Qb's playing poorly. Your gonna pay Dak 20+ million a year to find out if he's any better than he's been the past 2 seasons? Even nathan peterman has spots where he looks like a legit NFL QB.

We are basically forcing the role of franchise QB onto a guy with the skillset of a back-up QB. It hasn't worked and you don't build a team around hope and prayer.