Is Dak Clutch

[khiladi]

As I stated multiple times prior, because folks like to re-package old claims in a new form, Dak as considered clutch his first 3 years. In reality, it was a team built on game management for the QB, while the OL and RG wore down opposing defenses to the point Dak, in the 4th quarter could sit back in the pocket all day and make easy throws.
Ive posted this article from 2020 multiple times as evidence that Dak in reality is not a QB that performs in the clutch the more and more responsibilities were placed on his shoulders as a PASSING QB and this team couldn’t rely on an all-pro blocking and RG to keep the focus of the defense.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/dak-prescott-clutch-4th-quarter-jerry-jones-cowboys-defense

Within 2 years, this claim Dak was “clutch” was starting to get exposed in the press as a myth. Also, his struggles against zone began to show as teams no longer forced into situations of playing so much man coverage as a counter to the RG.

First of all, the article clearly states the baseline that articles were using to define clutch as 4th quarter comeback were basically bogus.

To get a true sense of it, you can forget the traditional “fourth-quarter comeback” or “game-winning drive” metrics, which are far too liberal and credit a quarterback for scores anytime in the fourth quarter. You can also forget “one-score game” totals, which can be diluted because an offense will operate far differently if playing for a field goal rather than a touchdown.

A true “clutch” situation should be viewed as when a team is down 4-8 points late in a game, when they need a touchdown.

The article then proceeds to refute this claim of clutch be saying:

Here’s how Prescott has done as a passer when down 4-8 points in the final four minutes of games compared to the NFL average since he entered the league in 2016:

• Passer rating: Prescott 70.6 vs. NFL avg 76.5
• Yards per attempt: Prescott 5.9 vs. NFL avg 6.7
• Touchdown rate: Prescott 2.8% vs. NFL avg 4.6%
• Interception rate: Prescott 2.8% vs. NFL avg 3.7%
• Sack rate: Prescott: 7.7% vs. NFL avg 5.3%

That is… not good.

Dak was not even in LEAGUE AVERAGE category when the team needed to rely on his arm to push the ball downfield. What these stats indicate also, is the fact despite having the best OL in the league, his sack rate went up to higher than the league average meaning he was holding onto the ball too long. The fact his INT was lower then the league average pointed out he doesn’t take risks and goes into a complete shell.

The experimentation process this year of “just letting it rip” let to some of the most bone-headed INTs regularly you’d ever witness. As this article points out,

At a point in games when aggressiveness is more acceptable, the only thing Prescott does at an above-average rate is avoid interceptions (well, until the Seattle game). There’s something to be said for living to play another down, but Prescott hasn’t been able to translate his dropbacks into yards or touchdowns in the clutch at even the rate of a league-average passer.

Now look at this stat:

Now, obviously anytime we filter down to specific situations like this one, we have to consider the small sample size — Prescott has only 78 career dropbacks in these situations — but you couldn’t blame Jones if he looks fondly on the days of Romo, who has a decisive edge over Prescott across the board in the clutch:

• Passer rating: Romo 95.3 vs. Prescott 70.6
• Yards per attempt: Romo 7.3 vs. Prescott 5.9
• Touchdown rate: Romo 5.8% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Interception rate: Romo 2.2% vs. Prescott 2.8%
• Sack rate: Romo 2.1% vs. Prescott 7.7%

So let’s stop pretending Romo and Dak were playing in the same situation of the same offense. As a bunch of us “haters” pointed out. Dak can’t throw from a 3-5–7 drop-back. consistently, so they have to limit the playbook. And while the 7 step drop-back has gradually faded out in the modern NFL, Dak’s usage was still way below league level and this not taking into account the 3-5 drop-back. What Dallas does with Dak is they do drop-back is from shotgun, not under Center, which Dak is horrible out. This in itself is problematic because opposing defenses know Dallas is limited when they see Dak under Center.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak was not even in LEAGUE AVERAGE category when the team needed to rely on his arm to push the ball downfield.

And this is what the good defenses have shown. Neutralize the run game and force Dak to beat you with her arm. But hey let’s strap in a try it once again, not like it’s insanity or anything to expect a different outcome with the same spare leading the team. Plus he’s great at spouting empty platitudes at the press conference.

 

[Ranching]

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I can't take another Romo v Dak thread so I'll set that aside. But those are very interesting numbers about Dak and they line up perfectly with what most of us have observed. kudos

 

[DanTanna]

Look at Dak's stats the last game of every season. That answers the clutch or crotch question.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

We follow a half-arsed franchise that isn’t willing to risk failure in order to maximize championship opportunities. Dak is the perfect QB for the Dallas Cowboys under Jones ownership.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

K........it appears you've already answered the question. Do you really need/want our input? (LOL)

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It had to be hard asking that question without laughing.

 

[khiladi]

Now many of Dak’s fanboys were telling us that Dak was on pace to shatter world-records for QBs in 2020 if he didn’t get injured, meaning over 6000 yards. As us Dak-haters were stating the “7 TOs in 4 and a half games” QB was just filling up the stat box in blow-out losses as teams were just managing the time. Even in the Atlanta game, the bone-headed Falcons who the very next week blew a 20 pT IN THE FOURTH QURTER lead to back-up Nick Foles, all they had to do was sit on the kicked ball and it was an easy win.

Now to point out, these were “6000 yards passing in a season” Dak when down by at least 8 points in the 4th quarter, meaning they needed to push the ball downfield:

24/60 60%
219 yards
5.5 YPA
1 TD
1 INT
43 yards was his longest pass, meaning he chucked one up, accounting for 20% of his total passing yards
Only 2 passes for over +20 yards
2 sacks on 40 attempts, meaning he was getting more than enough time to throw the ball
72.8 QBR

Now as a point of reference, with Andy Dalton in a much more chaotic situation, including the fact they had


26/40 65%
215 yards
5.4 YPA
1 TD
1 INT
38 yards longest pass
1 pass of +20 yards
5 SACKS meaning working under way more pressure, as Zach Martin was shelved the season and the Cowboys had a massively fluctuating OL starting line-up from when Dak started from training camp until he was injured
76.6 QBR

These numbers are taken from Football Database.

So in one situation you have a paper Tiger against soft zones, amassing useless stats while getting blown out, only to go into a complete shell of dink and dunk passing, when the pressure rises, and you hit another guy trying to win games with no starting OL and coming in to play after getting completely destroyed by a cheat hit that gave him a massive concussion, yet none of the Dak homies on the team came to do anything about it. Dalton got sacked 5 times while throwing the ball out quickly, showing the pressure he was working with.
Even Dallas News had an article on it that you can Google titled:

The fastest release in the East: Andy Dalton has been forced to make quick decisions behind Cowboys shaky offensive line​

Only Ben Roethlisberger, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tom Brady have had an average time to throw quicker than Dalton since week 11.​

 

[nyc-cowboy]

Isn't there a 50+ minute video...

 

[NotForLong]

We follow a half-arsed franchise that isn’t willing to risk failure in order to maximize championship opportunities. Dak is the perfect QB for the Dallas Cowboys under Jones ownership.

Its pathetic . . . which is why I do not burly gear or go to the games any longer. Between Dark, the way they handled the contract and the Dak Fan Boys I would not even be a Fan any longer, If Parsons wasn't on This team

 

[CowboyRoy]

As I stated multiple times prior, because folks like to re-package old claims in a new form, Dak as considered clutch his first 3 years. In reality, it was a team built on game management for the QB, while the OL and RG wore down opposing defenses to the point Dak, in the 4th quarter could sit back in the pocket all day and make easy throws.
Ive posted this article from 2020 multiple times as evidence that Dak in reality is not a QB that performs in the clutch the more and more responsibilities were placed on his shoulders as a PASSING QB and this team couldn’t rely on an all-pro blocking and RG to keep the focus of the defense.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/dak-prescott-clutch-4th-quarter-jerry-jones-cowboys-defense

Within 2 years, this claim Dak was “clutch” was starting to get exposed in the press as a myth. Also, his struggles against zone began to show as teams no longer forced into situations of playing so much man coverage as a counter to the RG.

First of all, the article clearly states the baseline that articles were using to define clutch as 4th quarter comeback were basically bogus.



The article then proceeds to refute this claim of clutch be saying:



Dak was not even in LEAGUE AVERAGE category when the team needed to rely on his arm to push the ball downfield. What these stats indicate also, is the fact despite having the best OL in the league, his sack rate went up to higher than the league average meaning he was holding onto the ball too long. The fact his INT was lower then the league average pointed out he doesn’t take risks and goes into a complete shell.

The experimentation process this year of “just letting it rip” let to some of the most bone-headed INTs regularly you’d ever witness. As this article points out,



Now look at this stat:

So let’s stop pretending Romo and Dak were playing in the same situation of the same offense. As a bunch of us “haters” pointed out. Dak can’t throw from a 3-5–7 drop-back. consistently, so they have to limit the playbook. And while the 7 step drop-back has gradually faded out in the modern NFL, Dak’s usage was still way below league level and this not taking into account the 3-5 drop-back. What Dallas does with Dak is they do drop-back is from shotgun, not under Center, which Dak is horrible out. This in itself is problematic because opposing defenses know Dallas is limited when they see Dak under Center.

As much as I love Romo, he was NOT clutch. Throwing the untimely pick late in games or way up with big leads.

Dak has shown he is much better at not only managing the game, but bring the team back from huge deficits and 4th quarter, last drive comebacks.

He will never have the abilities of a guy like Mahomes that can extend the play, run around and run the ball and make huge plays with his mobility and legs. Those are the guys that separate 2nd tier from elite.

There is nothing limited about Dak and Dak plays fine against a zone or any other defense.

Cherry picking wont help your cause as it all you trolls seem capable of in your lame theories. Dak has 7 years of proving you trolls wrong. I have no doubt it will continue into the future.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Look at Dak's stats the last game of every season. That answers the clutch or crotch question.

Ok, lets take a look.

Dak has a 92.3 QBR with 15 TD's and 5 picks in the playoffs. Any other dumb comments you need me to disprove?

Maybe if you narrow down your cherry picking you can eek out a valid point.

Maybe just narrow it down to the Niners game? Thats usually what you trolls do anyway.

 

[jazzcat22]

Another Dak hate thread, so more time I will be wasting going through the arguments. Or more like ...

 

[KJJ]

Dak has had many clutch moments during the regular season, but he won’t be considered clutch until he’s clutch in the playoffs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Now many of Dak’s fanboys were telling us that Dak was on pace to shatter world-records for QBs in 2020 if he didn’t get injured, meaning over 6000 yards. As us Dak-haters were stating the “7 TOs in 4 and a half games” QB was just filling up the stat box in blow-out losses as teams were just managing the time. Even in the Atlanta game, the bone-headed Falcons who the very next week blew a 20 pT IN THE FOURTH QURTER lead to back-up Nick Foles, all they had to do was sit on the kicked ball and it was an easy win.

Now to point out, these were “6000 yards passing in a season” Dak when down by at least 8 points in the 4th quarter, meaning they needed to push the ball downfield:

24/60 60%
219 yards
5.5 YPA
1 TD
1 INT
43 yards was his longest pass, meaning he chucked one up, accounting for 20% of his total passing yards
Only 2 passes for over +20 yards
2 sacks on 40 attempts, meaning he was getting more than enough time to throw the ball
72.8 QBR

Now as a point of reference, with Andy Dalton in a much more chaotic situation, including the fact they had


26/40 65%
215 yards
5.4 YPA
1 TD
1 INT
38 yards longest pass
1 pass of +20 yards
5 SACKS meaning working under way more pressure, as Zach Martin was shelved the season and the Cowboys had a massively fluctuating OL starting line-up from when Dak started from training camp until he was injured
76.6 QBR

These numbers are taken from Football Database.

So in one situation you have a paper Tiger against soft zones, amassing useless stats while getting blown out, only to go into a complete shell of dink and dunk passing, when the pressure rises, and you hit another guy trying to win games with no starting OL and coming in to play after getting completely destroyed by a cheat hit that gave him a massive concussion, yet none of the Dak homies on the team came to do anything about it. Dalton got sacked 5 times while throwing the ball out quickly, showing the pressure he was working with.
Even Dallas News had an article on it that you can Google titled:

The fastest release in the East: Andy Dalton has been forced to make quick decisions behind Cowboys shaky offensive line​

Only Ben Roethlisberger, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tom Brady have had an average time to throw quicker than Dalton since week 11.​

Another Dak hate thread, so more time I will be wasting going through the arguments.

So funny to watch all the hard work cherry picking. And what is his point? That he likes Dalton better? Doesnt that automatically disqualify him from QB debates right there?

 

[5Stars]

Ok, lets take a look.

Dak has a 92.3 QBR with 15 TD's and 5 picks in the playoffs. Any other dumb comments you need me to disprove?

Maybe if you narrow down your cherry picking you can eek out a valid point.

Maybe just narrow it down to the Niners game? Thats usually what you trolls do anyway.

Troll lives matter.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak has had many clutch moments during the regular season, but he won’t be considered clutch until he’s clutch in the playoffs.

Dak has had clutch moments in the playoffs only to watch the defense cave on the final drive. Dak has brought us back several times late in playoff games. The Packers game comes to mind.

 

[FanofJerry]

QB market is insane for a reason.

You lose the locker room wasting other players careers kicking decent bus drivers to the curb for crap shoot rookies. Its a team game...not only QB. Blame the coaching staff for putting the game on the QB's shoulder and not the teams.

No GM is following any of what these message boards are crying for....kicking bus drivers to the curb or stiffing them on money. There is a reason for it that anti-bus driver crowd refuse to talk about. Philly might be giving other GM's something to think about...but their team is stacked and they let their QB run with the ball.

Cowboys should use a draft pick on a QB in like round 3 every once in a while but dont...I dont like that. I understand their position of most QB's being bust so why waste 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on what most likely will be a bust when you can get a stud defensive player that is sure fire or a sure fire player at another position with low risk of bust compared to QB.

Its a team game...the League should fix the QB pay issue if everyone is going to cry about it. GM's dont want their average QB they invested time and money in to walk to another team so prices skyrocket. QB's are hard to find. It is what it is.

 

[Mannix]