Is Dak Prescott Elite? Dak vs Elite Quarterbacks!

[America's Cowboy]

 

[starfan1]

You do realize that for every one of these you post the idiot haters will find another one stating the opposite

This board has gotten toxic as hell and you’re not helping it

And no Dak isn’t elite but he’s good enough I ain’t even looked at the video

 

[America's Cowboy]

You do realize that for every one of these you post the idiot haters will find another one stating the opposite

This board has gotten toxic as hell and you’re not helping it

And no Dak isn’t elite but he’s good enough I ain’t even looked at the video

If you didn't look at the video, why comment? If this site has become toxic, it's because the haters have been allowed to take over. FYI, Dak is the franchise QB of this team. This film does a great breakdown and comparison of Dak with other elite QBs in today's game. It's a great video that explains things well about what kind of QB we've got. Finally, no fan should have to cave in or cower away from supporting their franchise QB. If you've got a problem with that, go join the haters and stay out of any positive threads. Thank you.

 

[Yobwocs]

So far the stars haven't aligned for Dak in the playoffs.

He should've beaten the Packers. Didn't get the breaks against the Rams or Niners. And his worst game in the playoffs was last year, but again.... them de breaks

He's always come within striking distance of winning. His teammates usually let him down. Connor Williams that awful holding call wiping away Cee Dee's 32 yard completion across the middle. The score would be close to tied at halftime without Williams' egregious holding penalty, because we outplayed them the 2nd half.

The Rams game was another good example. You can sense McVay getting nervous with Dak making a comeback as he starts to heat up in the passing game. While having all the momentum on our side, Zeke and the short yardage team botches a 4 and 1 conversion and probably pisses away that game for good.

Vs the Packers..... enuff said. He should've won that one. if Josh Allen gets so much credit for a loss against Mahomes, Dak deserves the same credit for that game.

Against the Niners, I agree a lot of it was his fault but the general fact of the matter is that he's not getting some of the breaks Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, and sometimes Josh Allen has gotten.

I hope eventually luck evens out to include everybody, but I feel like a lot of those playoff losses could've been wins if Garrett didn't take so long to figure out what the opposing team was doing putting us in an early hole, and if McCarthy wasn't one year late in cutting Connor Williams. And while he deserves a share of the blame for the 49ers 2nd loss...... Turpin spinning right into the punter (should've been 6 for us), Diggs letting an INT go thru his breadbasket were 2 game changing plays. Not to mention Kittle eligible receiver penalty not called. A game is really just 1 or 2 plays unlucky plays away from a win sometimes.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I dont think it matters if he's elite or not, top 10 or not. It's about a rational appraisal of his strengths and weaknesses to eradicate the apparent difficulties as soon as we get past the regular season.
Yes it's a team game and yes it's not all his fault.....but he (as much as anyone/thing) needs to be scrutinized, otherwise it's rinse and repeat (finding a new excuse).
That's the one aspect that makes look like a hater (when really i'm a fence sitter)....it always seems to be something else, when to succeed in the play-offs your QB has to play up to his talent in pretty much every game.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Vs the Packers..... enuff said. He should've won that one. if Josh Allen gets so much credit for a loss against Mahomes, Dak deserves the same credit for that game.

But Josh Allen didnt do anything wrong, last shot wins it. Ok Packers game, but you're going back in history, something that's not replicated.

Against the Niners, I agree a lot of it was his fault but the general fact of the matter is that he's not getting some of the breaks Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, and sometimes Josh Allen has gotten.

But the ratings say differently, we're getting back to the Lee Trevino 'luck' quote. There's got to be an acceptance that something's not getting us there....remember Dak First fan's remind us that we've won 12 regular games each of the last two seasons.....does he luck out?

 

[acr731]

No, he's not.

 

[Yobwocs]

But Josh Allen didnt do anything wrong, last shot wins it. Ok Packers game, but you're going back in history, something that's not replicated.


But the ratings say differently, we're getting back to the Lee Trevino 'luck' quote. There's got to be an acceptance that something's not getting us there....remember Dak First fan's remind us that we've won 12 regular games each of the last two seasons.....does he luck out?

Of course Josh Allen didn't do anything wrong. What did Dak do wrong against the Packers? Rodgers got the ball last. It's the same exact thing.

And I don't understand what you're talking about with the 2nd point, or why you think my first defense is the back-to-back 12 win seasons.

 

[jazzcat22]

STAY ON TOPIC TO THE THREAD, AND DO NOT POST TO OTHERS ABOUT TROLLING OR COMMENTING ON ANY POSTER.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Of course Josh Allen didn't do anything wrong. What did Dak do wrong against the Packers? Rodgers got the ball last. It's the same exact thing.

And I don't understand what you're talking about with the 2nd point, or why you think my first defense is the back-to-back 12 win seasons.

The Packers game was 4 years ago, using it as an example when there are two opposing examples in the last two years.
The second point is about Trevino's talent and luck.... it appeared your post was blaming luck (to go with the growing list of reasons why we fail).
The bottom line, as with his 55 Rating trailing with >2 mins (and Ints on 3rd D and long yardage, and end of half) all compound to indicate that Dak may struggle when he has to step up from his comfort zone....yes we can counter that, get Defense to pressurise early (all out to take a lead).
Youve missed the point that 12 wins has been a mantra for outandout Dak obsessives.... well fine, but the differential between his Rating and QBR further indicates that Dak has difficulties against better defenses and in pressure situations.
Yes there are other factors, but for us to win he needs to make his own luck (if luck is the issue), and if its not there use talent.

 

[Yobwocs]

The Packers game was 4 years ago, using it as an example when there are two opposing examples in the last two years.
The second point is about Trevino's talent and luck.... it appeared your post was blaming luck (to go with the growing list of reasons why we fail).
The bottom line, as with his 55 Rating trailing with >2 mins (and Ints on 3rd D and long yardage, and end of half) all compound to indicate that Dak may struggle when he has to step up from his comfort zone....yes we can counter that, get Defense to pressurise early (all out to take a lead).
Youve missed the point that 12 wins has been a mantra for outandout Dak obsessives.... well fine, but the differential between his Rating and QBR further indicates that Dak has difficulties against better defenses and in pressure situations.
Yes there are other factors, but for us to win he needs to make his own luck (if luck is the issue), and if its not there use talent.

Doesn't matter. Same thing, give or take a few years doesn't matter to me.

If you're just using the 49ers as your baseline of "better defenses"..... Rodgers has had a career of struggles against them too. What's his rating against the 49ers. - i.e. the better defenses and in pressure situations. where did the 55 come from anyways?

Yes he needs to make his own luck, but my point is that he has yet to win an ugly game in the playoffs when he plays bad but the team wins anyway. Every Quarterback (or nearly every successful QB) has had at least one of those kinda wins, but Dak has yet to have one is my point. Russell Wilson threw 4 INTS against the Packers, but still ended up winning and finding himself in the Super Bowl.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Doesn't matter. Same thing, give or take a few years doesn't matter to me.

If you're just using the 49ers as your baseline of "better defenses"..... Rodgers has had a career of struggles against them too. What's his rating against the 49ers. - i.e. the better defenses and in pressure situations. where did the 55 come from anyways?

Yes he needs to make his own luck, but my point is that he has yet to win an ugly game in the playoffs when he plays bad but the team wins anyway. Every Quarterback (or nearly every successful QB) has had at least one of those kinda wins, but Dak has yet to have one is my point. Russell Wilson threw 4 INTS against the Packers, but still ended up winning and finding himself in the Super Bowl.

Very good response. Dak can win you 10-12 games during the regular season. It's when it matters that he caves.

 

[Yobwocs]

Very good response. Dak can win you 10-12 games during the regular season. It's when it matters that he caves.

Well, ya know...... we gotta work on figuring out why that is.

In 2021, McCarthy allowed the Niners to take an early lead on us. Defense were doing their job worse than the offense. Samuel had 9.5 yards per play. At least the offense had one TD, and should be probably another one wiped away by Connor Williams' holding penalty. 32 yard completion taken away by Williams' awful penalty, and you can't blame the Quarterback for that.

But all that is coaching. There were some pressure looks the 49ers were getting on our O-Line that McCarthy either didn't anticipate well enough, or they just executed better than we did, but whatever is was.... it made our O-Line fluster and panic, that's the reason for a lot of the holding penalties in the first half. That was essentially the difference in the first half. In the 2nd half, we outplayed the Niners. Could Dak have overcome some of that by one big play? Yeah.... but still asking for a low probability play is not something we should hang our head on. Better to just execute the plays that could be made instead.

In 2022, McCarthy had us better prepared to play - but still... we gotta ask ourselves why we werent' able to force a rookie into mistakes because our defense was holding them for a while, but just couldn't force a rookie into a key mistake that could have changed the outcome of the game. Part of the reason is that a rookie tends to be conservative minded, and Purdy didn't attempt anything dangerous but still, I'm just surprised the defense didn't look like they were trying to force a fumble on a small rookie QB they had on the ground a bunch of times.

Dak's 2 worst plays were the 2nd INT - just a great play by the secondary / coverage team, but for some reason they were anticipating it.... and that's probably more about the defense doing their Homework on one key play than any physical or team deficiency. Because they really seemed to know what we were trying to do on that play.

Dak didn't see Hilton on a probable Touchdown, and that was bad, and there's no excusing that. He could've definitely made one more play that was there, which could've made a difference , but he didn't.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Ok Packers game, but you're going back in history, something that's not replicated.

Also notice that the Packers game was one where there were literally no expectations on Dak. He’s a rookie and asked to start a playoff game. Now look at that performance and watch it get worse as expectations increase.

 

[Diehardblues]

These are similar arguments as we had with Romo. Stats are not the sole definition of Elite.

Romo wasn’t an Elite passer or QB nor is Prescott.

Basically if you aren’t leading the league in passing , MVP caliber or SB Champ you have to do much more like have all of the Proto Type passing skills.

That said there’s nothing wrong with being a top 10 upper half caliber QB which is enough to build around and contend for playoffs and possibly championships with a strong supporting cast.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Doesn't matter. Same thing, give or take a few years doesn't matter to me.

So ignore the immediate but perfectly ok to rely on a performance over 4 years ago.

Doesn't matter. Same thing, give or take a few years doesn't matter to me.

If you're just using the 49ers as your baseline of "better defenses"..... Rodgers has had a career of struggles against them too. What's his rating against the 49ers. - i.e. the better defenses and in pressure situations. where did the 55 come from anyways?

Argh, the Whatabout argument. His 55 Rating is his career rating when trailing with >2 minutes remaining.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Also notice that the Packers game was one where there were literally no expectations on Dak. He’s a rookie and asked to start a playoff game. Now look at that performance and watch it get worse as expectations increase.

In a way that's why there's so much hurt after the Bucc's win....too much expectation.
But then again the Rating vrs QBR differential, when compared to other QB's over the past couple of years certainly gives a clue.

 

[Jipper]

We really need this season to get started...it's becoming like groundhogs day round these parts

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

In a way that's why there's so much hurt after the Bucc's win....too much expectation.
But then again the Rating vrs QBR differential, when compared to other QB's over the past couple of years certainly gives a clue.

The Dak fans all thought he turned some corner. When in reality all he did was beat a very bad Bucs team.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Stats are for losers....Bill Belichick