Is David Arkin a bust?

[Zordon]

Or do you still old out hope he will one day crack the active roster and start some games?

Do you even consider a 4th rounder who doesn't pan out a bust?

 

[TheCoolFan]

Nah he's done

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Can't be a bust when he never had high expectations in the first place.

 

[JakeCamp12]

No more than Jason Hatcher being a bust up until the last 2 years. Some guys take time to develop. He is not a bust in my eyes until he is cut and off the roster.

 

[supercowboy8]

I don't consider a 4th round pick a bust. They are so hit and miss.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He's still got a year or two with me. Ogletree was written off and he was a UDFA, and is having a great year in year 4. Same with Miles Austin.

I think the Landry 3-year rule is a good one, but people too often live and die by it and don't understand that some players are worth waiting an extra year or two, like Chris Clemons in Seattle.

I think of a 4th round guard who doesn't do anything as more of a bust because of their position. They usually don't see kick coverage or play a major role in special teams and they typically are not drafted in the 1st round. So there is a little higher expection of them starting one day than say a WR drafted in the 4th round. I think a tackle drafted in round 4 is probably more designed to be a quality backup who may be a starter.

I would like to see Arkin get one more year of physical conditioning and possibly challenge for the starting center spot. I didn't exactly hate what I saw out of him in preseason.







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[kirkjrk]

Or do you still old out hope he will one day crack the active roster and start some games?

Do you even consider a 4th rounder who doesn't pan out a bust?

Bust!!

 

[TheCount]

Yes, he's a bust.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

A small school guy out of college, and the NFL lockout, he was basically a redshirt last year. Arkin is nowhere near a finished product, so it's silly to call him a bust this early into the process. However, if he's not ready to contribute by next season, he's a bust.

 

[Doomsday101]

Or do you still old out hope he will one day crack the active roster and start some games?

Do you even consider a 4th rounder who doesn't pan out a bust?

I don't consider 2nd year guys bust this quickly. I watched as Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton played like crud as Aikman got the crud kicked out of him getting sacked 11 times in 1 game yet these guys came around and they improved. People expect too much too soon from many players. They point to the exceptions not the rule.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

I don't consider 2nd year guys bust this quickly. I watched as Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton played like crud as Aikman got the crud kicked out of him getting sacked 11 times in 1 game yet these guys came around and they improved. People expect too much too soon from many players. They point to the exceptions not the rule.

The late, great Tom Landry had a three-year rule for his players, yes?

 

[Doomsday101]

The late, great Tom Landry had a three-year rule for his players.

and David Arkin is in his 2nd season. One thing about the 3 year rule coaches expect to see improvement out of players not all players will be star players but they still have big roles with a team. Not all of Tom Landry OL or even other position players were pro bowlers or Hall of Famers some were just good lunch pale workers who helped the team.

 

[Zordon]

I don't consider 2nd year guys bust this quickly. I watched as Mark Tuinei and Nate Newton played like crud as Aikman got the crud kicked out of him getting sacked 11 times in 1 game yet these guys came around and they improved. People expect too much too soon from many players. They point to the exceptions not the rule.

i get your point but you have to see at least a sliver of hope in order to feel it is a good long-term investment. if me or you go out there and try out i doubt they'd be willing to wait 3 yrs. i guess my question is have we seen enough from arkin where we deem it acceptable to continue to wait on him or should we start fresh with someone else?

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

and David Arkin is in his 2nd season. One thing about the 3 year rule coaches expect to see improvement out of players not all players will be star players but they still have big roles with a team. Not all of Tom Landry OL or even other position players were pro bowlers or Hall of Famers some were just good lunch pale workers who helped the team.

If the coaches manage to turn Arkin into even just a decent starter by next year, I would say that as a 4th-round pick, that he was a steal.

 

[Doomsday101]

i get your point but you have to see at least a sliver of hope in order to feel it is a good long-term investment. if me or you go out there and try out i doubt they'd be willing to wait 3 yrs. i guess my question is have we seen enough from arkin where we deem it acceptable to continue to wait on him or should we start fresh with someone else?

I don't think we have seen enough for Arkin to make any certainty to whether he is a bust or not.

I'm not claiming him as a potential star player but as I just explained in my last post I don't care which Cowboys team you go back and look at some players are just work pale type guys they were never pro bowlers or Hall of fame type players but they held roles on this team.

People around here throw the word JAG around like it is bad yet most teams have more JAGS on them than they do Star players and that is again reality

 

[Doomsday101]

If the coaches manage to turn Arkin into even just a decent starter by next year, I would say that as a 4th-round pick, that he was a steal.

I don't know if I would call that a steal but a guy who played to what they expected.

My own view is people want a winner so bad right now they do not bother to give young players any time before they throw them under the bus. It is as if todays young guys are paying for the sins of the past.

I try to judge each guy on their own and understand that not all player will develop at the same pace and some will never be star player but can become good players. Will Arkin become a good player? I don't know

 

[AbeBeta]

If you come from a small school you need at least a year to contribute.

If you come in needed to gain a ton of strength you need at least a year to contribute.

Add those together and you really have to wait and see what he can do next year in training camp.

If he came from Boston College or something and played at his current level, he'd clearly be a bust

 

[CowboyMike]

Mid to late round offensive linemen generally take 4-5 years to develop into something solid, as opposed to the general 3 years for other positions.

Just look at the 90s line.

Give him another two years, and then call him a bust if he still isn't contributing.

 

[Zordon]

I don't think we have seen enough for Arkin to make any certainty to whether he is a bust or not.

I'm not claiming him as a potential star player but as I just explained in my last post I don't care which Cowboys team you go back and look at some players are just work pale type guys they were never pro bowlers or Hall of fame type players but they held roles on this team.

People around here throw the word JAG around like it is bad yet most teams have more JAGS on them than they do Star players and that is again reality

true, i only see him as a depth guy at best but there is nothing wrong with that. my main concern is we're going on two years where the oline has been below average and we're pulling guys off the street who are journeymen to help with depth yet he can't even get active for one game? the competition in front of him isn't exactly bruce matthews, larry allen and nick mangold. i'm surprised he can't even crack the active roster at least once.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow! A 4th round draft pick from a small school a bust in only his second season? Ouch.