Is defense better off without them?

jday

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we lost "our best" defensive players--were they the problem?

They were discussing this on 105.3 The Fan today and one of the guy's raised a very good point. When you have elite players on either side of the ball, other younger and less talented players don't feel the same pressure to perform. They may reason that they can depend on the talented player to make the play when it's needed. In this year's version of the defense, they have no names to fall back on. The onus is squarely on the shoulder of every player to execute and earn the respect of the football watching nation after having their names dragged through the mud throughout the offseason.

You can see a significant difference, in my opinion, in the intensity and the energy that this team as a whole is playing with this year and it is making a huge difference as the win/loss ratio suggest.
 

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I love Demarcus Ware. If we don't make it to the Super Bowl, I'm going to root for him like nobody's business. With that being said, Demarcus, his lack of production, his salary, and his recent injury history simply had no place in Dallas anymore.


I still think back to when Bill Parcells was here and he said long ago that Ware didn't have the build to play effectively with his hand in the ground in a 4-3 defense. He couldn't take the down after down pounding that the elite LTs in the game were going to dish out play, after play, after play. Have any of you actually paid attention to how many snaps Ware plays in Denver? I've watched a good portion of their games (Broncos fan in the house) and he seems to be on the sidelines for as many snaps as he's in the game. Denver has sold out for Manning's last run. That's O.K.. I don't blame them but, there's no way Dallas could afford to pay a player what Demarcus Ware is making to play 50%-60% of the snaps. No freaking way. It's worked out so far for them. Ware seems fresh on the plays that he's in on and he's making an impact. In Dallas he would be an injury report stat every single week because they would play him and play him hard (as you should with a guy making that much money). He's also playing in the scheme he's meant to play in. As Stephen Jones said: Ware has as many sacks at this point of the year that he had last year. From that point forward he recorded zilch, zero, nada last year in Dallas. Now, I'm not going to claim that Ware is going to go 0fer for the rest of this season but it's worth watching to see what his production is from this point forward.

I would have loved to have had Ware back in Dallas this season. I think it's an absolute certainty that our sack numbers as a team would look a whole lot better. However, I do think that there's merit to the idea that the team is playing more as a unit due to the fact that they have no superstar in the group. I think it's created a bunker mentality that they all must go out and play as a collective unit rather than a defense with a couple of superstars. I think it forces ALL of them to take an ownership role in the defense itself and leadership role in implementing positive results. I don't think Rolando McLain would get in the face of a Demarcus ware or Jason Hatcher if they weren't handling their responsibilities. I have no doubt that he would do it to ANY player on this unit. Same for Scandrick, or Church, or Crawford. The "untouchables" factor is a non-factor and it shows. There's accountability across the board. Not to the coaches. Not to the fans. To each other. It's a world of difference. I think the "rue crew" is completely ignoring the fact that we fielded the worst defense in the entire, proud history with the likes of Demarcus Ware, Jason Hatcher, and Sean Lee (still love ya dude. can't wait to have you back) leading the charge. So far, the results are VASTLY different in their absence. That doesn't mean that the bottom isn't going to fall out. Injuries and a midseason funk could ground this group quickly but, so far, it's a better defense. There's no snarky comment in the world that's going to change that, at the time being.
 

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Played hurt last year and overran the run play a lot. He's benefiting from a very good player on the other side and a winning team. I wish him nothing but good things. Not his fault he's not here. We'd be a better team with him playing limited snaps.
 

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Why do we do this so often?

In a vacuum we are a better defense with Ware and Lee and Hatch.

We don't live in a vacuum.

In reality we are better without those guys because there is a salary cap in the National Football League.
 

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No they per say were not the problem, them being injured and not playing effectively combined with very large salaries was a problem

Pretty much said it best here.

I guess this is going to be a everyday thing until the end of the season lol.

I honestly don't understand how people can even care what Ware and Hatcher are doing right now. I guess its the lack of "sacks" but the team is 6-1 without them. That should answer the questions.

And what's hilarious is that everyone was okay with getting rid of Hatcher and Ware. Now we miss them lol.
 

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Ware will always be a Cowboy, just like Emmitt was always a Cowboy even though he played in Arizona a couple of seasons.
 

LittleBoyBlue

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I think the defense, regardless if Ware or Hatcher were here, are better because of "pride"!

When a defense, coaches and all, team and all, are the worst defense in History, that has to have an effect on a competitor. There is nothing that motivates a competitor like being know as the worst in History.

Had Ware and Hatcher still been here, the same thing would happen. PRIDE!

And WILL!
 

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Whether it is salary, injuries, attitude, age, influence or whatever, I hear a lot of you saying that they were the problem but dancing around it because we all loved Ware
 

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No they per say were not the problem, them being injured and not playing effectively combined with very large salaries was a problem

agree, it was about a year or two too late from moving on from Ware, we could've gotten something for him most likely. But I would love to have had Hatcher for another two years.
Sadly, I think its going to be time to move on from Spencer also after this year. Guess Spencer and Ware will probably be reunited in Denver next season.
 

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We're better on defense without Ware and Hatcher, just like the Tennessee Vols were better with Tee Martin at QB in 1999, the year after Peyton Manning graduated.
 

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Even though he is still a very good player losing him changed the psychological makeup of our team. Others felt they could step up and be more assertive. I assume being more vocal and leaders. Something they may have not felt comfortable doing around a legend and another veteran in Hatcher.

The psychological group dynamics is a very important part of a team. IMO
 

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we lost "our best" defensive players--were they the problem?

no, not really. there are multiple reasons. we are a little deeper and not having to pay ware 20 mill is allowed us to get a few good pieces in here and get some depth and rotation. we did have a lot of injuries last year (although this year looks somewhat similar but not as bad). marinelli's scheme has helped.

we did find a few pieces who are playing well, like Ro and Durant. Claiborne injury allowed scandrick to get in the line up and he has been much much better. Wilcox is getting better. so the young bunch is growing up too. carter seems to have now find the right spot for him.

plus the TOP is helping to keep the defense fresh.

its not one thing but combination of multiple things that's helping. I don't expect this defense to go 8-10 quarters without making one stop like it did last year.

plus Ware had been injured and half effective the past couple or three years. hopefully he won't have that in Denver, but around 10-11 game of the season he starts to show signs of ware and tare (no pun intended)....
 

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They were discussing this on 105.3 The Fan today and one of the guy's raised a very good point. When you have elite players on either side of the ball, other younger and less talented players don't feel the same pressure to perform. They may reason that they can depend on the talented player to make the play when it's needed.
Man, I hope McClain doesn't keep getting better, or our defense may just fall apart.
 

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I am blowing my own horn here...but from the beginning of training camp, I never doubted that the defense would get worse. It couldn't for hell's sake! But, they are my favorite side of the ball right now.

I didn't either. I have said all along, just by staying healthy, this D would be better, even if only went from 32 to 20 to 25 range.
Even without Ware, Hatcher, then Lee went down. I still never came off of that, and then when McClain was brought in. I backed him too.
 

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ware was and still is one of the best pass rushers ever. and i think if he was still here we would be getting much better pressure. but it really was'nt an option. it was time to rebuild the defense and it appeasr that so far it has went ok. we still need that pass rusher and a few more pieces but as much as i love ware and think he can still play for a few more years at a high level, moving on was the right thing for the team long term
 

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I, personally, think Marinelli has been able to do more with a group of young hungry no names that came in on day one of training camp with open minds. No entitlement. No expectations. Just plain hard work.

YES THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY THE PROBLEM!!!!

They were not problem players and they are probably great human beings, but their presence would not allow the younger players to strive for whm they wanted to be.

Everyone was expecting Ware to get sacks. Hatcher to hold up the middle and collapse the pocket.

Well, if you are expecting someone else to do it then what are you expecting of yourself.

They needed to go and the results of this young group of players reaffirms this. It doesn't mean they are bad players, but they stop the progress of what this team could become.

We have few progress stoppers left. That is what is so exciting about this team. The future is now unfolding!
 
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