Is Dez Bryant Better For An Offense Than Calvin Johnson?

[NeonDeion21]

In the last three years, he's been a part of a much better offense...

http://all22breakdown.com/taking-a-look-at-the-nfls-best-pass-catchers/

 

[percyhoward]

Since 2012
Cowboys' overall rating 94.0
Bryant's targets only 109.3

Lions' overall rating 83.4
Johnson's targets 91.1

The Cowboys' pass rating has been about 10 points higher than the Lions' mostly because the pass rating on Dez's targets is 18 points higher than the pass rating on Megatron's targets.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Since 2012
Cowboys' overall rating 94.0
Bryant's targets only 109.3

Lions' overall rating 83.4
Johnson's targets 91.1

The Cowboys' pass rating has been about 10 points higher than the Lions' mostly because the pass rating on Dez's targets is 18 points higher than the pass rating on Megatron's targets.

Great stat. Another thing to keep in mind. Yards are very replaceable. If Dez were to go down, Dallas could replace 90% of his yards pretty easily. The same is not true when it comes to touchdowns.

 

[Frozen700]

Megatron is way more lethal than Dez.

But his big gigantic self is always hurt. All that Size/speed wears down on you after a while.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Megatron is way more lethal than Dez.

If you can, describe "lethal" to me. Does that mean more big plays?

 

[percyhoward]

Great stat. Another thing to keep in mind. Yards are very replaceable. If Dez were to go down, Dallas could replace 90% of his yards pretty easily. The same is not true when it comes to touchdowns.

Stats like pass rating and scoring (obviously) have higher correlations to winning than yardage stats for that reason.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't think receiving numbers tell the whole story on a players' effectiveness.

 

[dstovall5]

Not even close, I'm a huge Dez Bryant fan, but Calvin Johnson can possibly go down as the greatest WR, or at least top 3 with Moss and Rice.

 

[dstovall5]

If you can, describe "lethal" to me. Does that mean more big plays?

Dez Bryant can be taken out of the game a lot more easily, he disappears for long periods of time due to not being able to beat double teams. Calvin Johnson consistently burns double teams, he's on a whole different level. You'd be better off comparing Dez to AJ and Julio because with CJ there's not much of a comparison.

 

[Wayne02]

It just never ends on this forum. We all love Dez, but just stop it with the Megatron debates, it's getting ridiculous now.

 

[NeonDeion21]

It just never ends on this forum. We all love Dez, but just stop it with the Megaton debates, it's getting ridiculous now.

Just showing facts.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Megatron is way more lethal than Dez.

But his big gigantic self is always hurt. All that Size/speed wears down on you after a while.

Stunning. You basically ignored the data posted in favour of some unscientific impression you have that 'Tron is "way more lethal".

He hasn't been so hurt that it's affected his opportunities, given that he's had the most targets. Guess he's been hurt just enough to drag his production below Dez's (and that of several other receivers relative to whom, one presumes, he is "way more lethal")?

 

[Wayne02]

Just showing facts.

Okay, well you keep living in the dream world of "Dez is better than Calvin Johnson" and the rest of us will continue living in reality. This is why people mock and scoff at our fanbase.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Okay, well you keep living in the dream world of "Dez is better than Calvin Johnson" and the rest of us will continue living in reality. This is why people mock and scoff at our fanbase.

I just posed the question, is Dez Bryant better for an offense than Calvin Johnson? That's not to be confused with Dez > Calvin.

Barry Sanders was probably better than Emmitt. Emmitt was better for an offense.

 

[Wayne02]

I just posed the question, is Dez Bryant better for an offense than Calvin Johnson? That's not to be confused with Dez > Calvin.

Barry Sanders was probably better than Emmitt. Emmitt was better for an offense.

Why even bring him up though, Dez is our guy and we're glad to have him. The End.

 

[perrykemp]

Stunning. You basically ignored the data posted in favour of some unscientific impression you have that 'Tron is "way more lethal".

He hasn't been so hurt that it's affected his opportunities, given that he's had the most targets. Guess he's been hurt just enough to drag his production below Dez's (and that of several other receivers relative to whom, one presumes, he is "way more lethal")?

Megatron has been hurt by the fact he has a crappy QB throwing the ball.

Stafford's career QB rating is a measly 83. He is also below the the 60% completion percentage that typically is considered the minimum required to be a decent QB.

 

[NeonDeion21]

Megatron has been hurt by the fact he has a crappy QB throwing the ball.

Stafford's career QB rating is a measly 83. He is also below the the 60% completion percentage that typically is considered the minimum required to be a decent QB.

And believe it or not, the general NFL consensus believe's Stafford is better than Romo. Sad.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I just posed the question, is Dez Bryant better for an offense than Calvin Johnson? That's not to be confused with Dez > Calvin.

Barry Sanders was probably better than Emmitt. Emmitt was better for an offense.

At some point this distinction becomes unhelpful. I don't really know what it means to say Barry was "better" (beyond saying he had more brute talent) if Emmitt was better for an offense.

Wayne's trying to get you to water down the conclusion to which the data tends by appealing to the very popular conceptions you're calling into question. "Everyone knows Calvin is the best." The trouble, as you point out, is that the data doesn't agree with what "everyone knows".

 

[perrykemp]

I just posed the question, is Dez Bryant better for an offense than Calvin Johnson? That's not to be confused with Dez > Calvin.

If a WR's QB rating for passes thrown his way is the most important stat you need to ask yourself "Is "Jordy Nelson better than an offense than Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson?" Aaron Rodger's QB rating for passes thrown to Jordy Nelson the past 3 years is 143.9 -- which is absolutely off the charts and make's both Dez and Calvin's numbers look weak."

Does that mean Nelson > Dez? No, I don't think so. Just like I don't think Dez > Megatron.

 

[Cebrin]

Dez is a TD machine. Dez has a little bit bigger hands than Calvin strangely. It's a tough conversation. Time will tell right?