Is experience becoming overrated?

[Gabe]

I can't help but think about this after watching so many new QBs do so well to start the year. I wasn't sold at first on Wentz, but seeing him dominate SB winning QB Big Ben yesterday was crazy to see. We ALL have seen how well Dak is doing first hand. He would have beaten 2 time SB Winning QB Eli in his first game had his WR caught relatively easy passes. Great start for both rookie QBs. Even Brissett looked fantastic filling in for HOF QB Brady.

Heard so much in the preseason the words "project" "vanilla defense" "no exotic blitzes" etc... Which now seems like a lot of complete nonsense. I haven't followed the NFL as closely as some of you have... But, I guess my main question, is does experience really matter that much? Look how quickly the league is changing... New exciting QBs emerging everywhere with little to no NFL "experience" and they are doing just fine. Any thoughts?

 

[Dale]

I can't help but think about this after watching so many new QBs do so well to start the year. I wasn't sold at first on Wentz, but seeing him dominate SB winning QB Big Ben yesterday was crazy to see. We ALL have seen how well Dak is doing first hand. He would have beaten 2 time SB Winning QB Eli in his first game had his WR caught relatively easy passes. Great start for both rookie QBs.

Heard so much in the preseason the words "project" "vanilla defense" "no exotic blitzes" etc... Which now seems like a lot of complete nonsense. I haven't followed the NFL as closely as some of you have... But, I guess my main question, is does experience really matter that much? Look how quickly the league is changing... New exciting QBs emerging everywhere with little to no NFL "experience" and they are doing just fine. Any thoughts?

I think the rules are so heavily favored to allow for offensive success that, yes, it has become much easier for younger player to succeed. As good as Wentz and Prescott and others have looked, it's not as if they're really any better than a Peyton Manning was as a rookie prospect. But the game has changed so much that I imagine a rookie Peyton Manning would look much more like a veteran Peyton Manning in today's NFL.

 

[superonyx]

It's not if you are Jared Goff.

 

[CATCH17]

I have thought the same thing here lately.

It's shocking to see guys like Dak and Carson Wentz.

We've seen a lot of inexperienced year 2 guys come in and play well but rookies?


Maybe it's just a weird year.


What crazy is you see vets like Ryan Tannehill who still struggle or Fitzpatrick who has 6 picks in 1 game but young Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz look like they've been doing this for years.

 

[yentl911]

Dak playing in the SEC prepared him to be a success at this level IMO.

It still comes down to making good decisions and being accurate. Experience allows you to make a quicker evaluation of what your options are. Slows the game down.

Also, some of these guys have been running a pro - style offense since high school and have been exposed to pro coaching st summer camps so these kids are quite advanced for their ages.

Just my two cents

 

[CATCH17]

I think the rules are so heavily favored to allow for offensive success that, yes, it has become much easier for younger player to succeed. As good as Wentz and Prescott and others have looked, it's not as if they're really any better than a Peyton Manning was as a rookie prospect. But the game has changed so much that I imagine a rookie Peyton Manning would look much more like a veteran Peyton Manning in today's NFL.

Just think back to a year ago though.. Mariotta and Winston looked good as Rookies but neither looked as good as Dak and Wentz.

Maybe it's just a weird year and i'm glad it's us who has this kind of luck for a change.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If it is easier now...why do so many teams have so much trouble with starting QBs...including us last year when Tony went down.

I think to lay it as it is just easier now is not really the case or anyone could do it.

 

[yentl911]

I have thought the same thing here lately.

It's shocking to see guys like Dak and Carson Wentz.

We've seen a lot of inexperienced year 2 guys come in and play well but rookies?


Maybe it's just a weird year.


What crazy is you see vets like Ryan Tannehill who still struggle or Fitzpatrick who has 6 picks in 1 game but young Dak Prescott and Carson Wentz look like they've been doing this for years.

Everyone has good and bad days but also it comes down to coaches putting these guys in a position to be successful - plus you need some talent around you.

Tannehil has no one - he could be good on s different team with some supporting ability

 

[CATCH17]

Everyone has good and bad days but also it comes down to coaches putting these guys in a position to be successful - plus you need some talent around you.

Tannehil has no one - he could be good on s different team with some supporting ability

I would take a few of those Dolphins offensive skill players..

 

[Aven8]

It's not easier. Wentz and Dak are just good.

 

[xwalker]

I can't help but think about this after watching so many new QBs do so well to start the year. I wasn't sold at first on Wentz, but seeing him dominate SB winning QB Big Ben yesterday was crazy to see. We ALL have seen how well Dak is doing first hand. He would have beaten 2 time SB Winning QB Eli in his first game had his WR caught relatively easy passes. Great start for both rookie QBs. Even Brissett looked fantastic filling in for HOF QB Brady.

Heard so much in the preseason the words "project" "vanilla defense" "no exotic blitzes" etc... Which now seems like a lot of complete nonsense. I haven't followed the NFL as closely as some of you have... But, I guess my main question, is does experience really matter that much? Look how quickly the league is changing... New exciting QBs emerging everywhere with little to no NFL "experience" and they are doing just fine. Any thoughts?

The nineties Super Bowl winning teams were very young. Most of the core players except Haley were in the league less than 4 years.

 

[Dale]

Just think back to a year ago though.. Mariotta and Winston looked good as Rookies but neither looked as good as Dak and Wentz.

Maybe it's just a weird year and i'm glad it's us who has this kind of luck for a change.

Very true.

 

[erod]

Linehan is doing a great job with putting Dak in good situations, and the offensive line has been superb in protection.

Add this kid's composure, and it's working nicely.

 

[yentl911]

I would take a few of those Dolphins offensive skill players..

Like?

 

[Cowboy06]

It's not if you are Jared Goff.

Now why did that make me chuckle? lol

 

[CATCH17]

Like?

Parker, Landry.

 

[8FOR!3]

Got a couple of things from NFL.com:

"DRAFT ANALYSIS:
Dallas had long been rumored to have preferred Prescott as a backup option to Tony Romo. There are physical, athletic, and leadership traits comparable to Tim Tebow, but Prescott is vastly more pro-ready as a passer. He's an ideal backup as he continues to work on overall consistency, but he'll bring a dynamic element if his name's ever called. --Mark Bulgarian"

The underlined line says a lot to me. Tebow was reached for in the first round because of those traits. We can argue if Tebow had Dak's mechanics he would be valuable as a first round pick.

"DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 3
NFL COMPARISON
Brett Hundley
BOTTOM LINE
Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish. Prescott has NFL size, mobility and enough arm, but the tape shows a player who must improve his mechanics, poise and quickness through his progressions if he is to become a full-time starter in the NFL. There are absolutely draftable traits and upside, but he will need extended work to smooth out his flaws. Until then, a team would be wise to utilize him on short-yardage packages."

Brett Hundley is a lazy comparison. His biggest weakness is that he won't stand in the pocket and that he goes through his progressions too slowly probably to ever start. Those are two issues Dak doesn't have. On the weakness analysis the first comment is that Dak was beat up this year due to poor pass protection. More short throws, less intermediate ones. For starters bad pass protection shouldn't be considered a QB weakness. And more pressure means less time to throw the ball which means less intermediate throws. I think some of Dak's weaknesses listed were fair but also fixable. Whereas a lot of Hundley's weaknesses are probably going to follow him throughout his career. I think Dak's slightly less athletic than Hundley even though he's probably stronger and has a slightly bigger frame. But he's clearly more mentally built to play the QB position. And all the physical tools checked out. I think the problem with Dak was teams weren't completely sure what they were gonna get. DUI might have cost him a round or two.

I've done a lot of reading though and I don't know what scouts missed with Dak. Even saw some McNabb comparisons but that he wasn't as polished. Maybe they were expecting him to improve like that from college til now. But I don't see any red flags saying he wouldn't improve. His personal life speaks for itself, I'm not quite 100% convinced if they redrafted today I'd take him #1 but I know without a doubt I'd pick him somewhere between 1-5.

 

[LandryFan]

Linehan is doing a great job with putting Dak in good situations, and the offensive line has been superb in protection.

Add this kid's composure, and it's working nicely.

What really stuck out to me last night was that there were a number of pass plays where he dropped back and just seemed to stand there, hardly moving at all until he found his target. He was cooler than the other side of the pillow back there all night. That, as much as anything else, tells me he will be a good one.

 

[Doomsday]

Dak reminds me more of a John Elway than a McNabb. He just has better touch than Elway did early in his career.

He will run but he seems more interested in scrambling around and making a play down field.

 

[Jake]

Dak playing in the SEC prepared him to be a success at this level IMO.

It still comes down to making good decisions and being accurate. Experience allows you to make a quicker evaluation of what your options are. Slows the game down.

Also, some of these guys have been running a pro - style offense since high school and have been exposed to pro coaching st summer camps so these kids are quite advanced for their ages.

Just my two cents

I think it's more about the type of offense a guy played than his conference. SEC quarterbacks aren't taking the NFL by storm. Wilson (ACC/Big Ten), Flacco (FCS), and Roethlisberger (MAC) did well as rookies - Wentz also played at the FCS level.

But what those guys didn't do is play in a spread offense where they looked to the sideline before each play, never huddled, and never took a snap from center. Goff did, and he's not been quick to make the adjustment. Baylor QBs also put up big numbers in college but can't read defenses because they really weren't made to do it (RG3, Bryce Petty). They read the card from the sideline and do what it says. That doesn't work in the NFL.