Is it this corner the Boys have interest in?

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Jerry was quoted, according to Mickey, that there is a corner in the draft that the Cowboys would be interested in if he fell far enough. Jerry said the Boys would pick that player and move one of our current corners to safety if the situation arised. Well, the Cowboys have shown interest in Antonio Cromartie.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...F?slug=cr-impactdbs041006&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

In for a big surprise
By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
April 10, 2006

There's always the "if" hanging over Antonio Cromartie.

If he had gone back to Florida State, he would probably be the No. 1 cornerback in the 2007 draft class. If he had held on another 12 months, he probably would have been a top-10 pick. And of course – the one that stabs at him the most – if he hadn't injured his knee in the first place, he might be fighting with North Carolina State's Mario Williams and Ohio State's A.J. Hawk to be the first defensive player selected in this month's NFL draft.

"I don't look back on it," said Cromartie at the annual scouting combine while expounding on the knee injury that robbed him of his junior season with the Seminoles. "You can go crazy. It's time for me to move on."

Move on and move up.

After raising eyebrows by declaring for the draft despite missing his entire junior season with a left knee injury, the FSU cornerback has rallied in recent months, wowing teams at the combine and the Seminoles' pro day. Now it looks like Cromartie could end up being this year's Willis McGahee – a super-talented player who overcomes an injury nightmare to become this year's surprising first-round pick.

Not that Cromartie landing in the first round would be a total shock. Even with his injury, word around the league is that he's carrying a grade of late first round to second round on NFL draft boards. The real surprise might be how high Cromartie actually goes. Considered by most to be a risky pick who likely will land with a team that has the luxury of easing him in for a year, it now appears that Cromartie could vault as high as the middle of the first round.


According to John Murphy of Next Level Scouting, Cromartie has drawn strong interest from seven teams: the Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, San Diego Chargers, Dallas Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals, Seattle Seahawks and New England Patriots. Two of them – the Patriots and Chargers – have had personal visits scheduled. Nearly every team in the league also was on hand for Cromartie's pro-day performance when he posted a 42-inch vertical, clocked 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash and had an impressive showing in defensive and special teams drills.

"You put your hands over your ears with the knee and just go on what you see and you say, '[He's] at the top of anyone out there in the secondary' – without a question," said a defensive assistant in the NFC North. "But you factor in that knee, which I don't think he's totally back from, and you move him down the board because that's a huge deal.… He looks good running around, and he looks good on all of his tape before the injury. So you say, 'This kid is the real deal.' But when it comes time to make the pick, someone has to take the risk."

The last few weeks would have been impressive for any corner, but for one the size of Cromartie – 6-foot-2¼ and 203 pounds – they were downright unique. With the NFL's elite cornerbacks standing between 5-10 and 5-11 and weighing 190 pounds (like all of the starters in this year's Pro Bowl), the big corner has been largely absent – or playing safety. But few corners have displayed the athleticism and coverage ability in college that Cromartie did during his first two seasons at Florida State.

"He's a great big, physical guy," said Florida wideout Chad Jackson, who also is expected to be a first-round pick. "He's got great size and great speed. He's a tall guy, and he should be able to play the safety spot or the cornerback spot. Honestly, I was surprised to see him at the cornerback spot when I played against them."

In his first two years, Cromartie lived up to the hype as one of the nation's most coveted cornerback recruits. Despite playing in a deep and talented secondary, Cromartie played in every game as a true freshman, then earned All-Atlantic Coast Conference first-team honors despite starting only one game as a sophomore.

Heading into his junior season, Cromartie was expected to vault to All-America status. That expectation was scuttled when he tore his anterior cruciate ligament, medial collateral ligament and hamstring in a voluntary offseason workout. The injuries cost Cromartie five months to surgery and rehabilitation and made his medical charts just as popular as his workout numbers at the combine.

"To me, I have to prove something to myself," Cromartie said. "I feel like I don't have any pressure on me right now – just go out and do what I've always done and that's play football."

MORE IMPACT DEFENSIVE BACKS

Here are five more difference-makers in the secondary:

Michael Huff, S, Texas – It's looking more and more like Huff is going to have to stay at safety rather than corner, but some think he's an Ed Reed type of player at safety. He struggled to catch the ball at Texas' pro day. Scouts say: He's got the explosion and range to be special.

Jimmy Williams, CB/S, Virginia Tech – Some personnel people have been turned off by his cockiness. And it's clear that some are projecting him at safety, even though he's been adamant that he wants to play cornerback. Scouts say: He's great in press and man-to-man, but he's slow to react in press coverage and tends to guess.

Jason Allen, S/CB, Tennessee – He's fluid and fast, but his future still seems to be at safety. His ballistic numbers at the combine put to rest the short-term fears about his surgically repaired hip. Scouts say: His injured hip has tested out with about 85 percent of the strength of his healthy one, and it could be an issue as his career progresses.

Jonathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina – Joseph has drawn the "upside" label after injuries and junior college limited him to only one full season at South Carolina. Had he played two years, he might have developed into a "total package" cornerback. Scouts say: He's fast and has all the physical tools and instincts, but he still is polishing his raw coverage technique as a cornerback.

Tye Hill, CB, Clemson – If you're looking for the super-fast track athlete at corner, with amazing agility and leaping ability, Hill is at the top of the list. He has shown a good ability to find and go after the ball when it's in the air. Scouts say: His size (5-9) is going to scare off some teams because it's a liability against the run and the league's bigger wideouts.

Charles Robinson is the national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
 

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They are prolly interested if he falls to the late second or 3rd round ..... but unless they hae already made a deal with Henry to move to safety (which I doubt) there is NO WAY they take him with the first pick.
 

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With the new pro-offensive rules, CB's are no longer in positions to change the game. An elite CB is the same as an average CB.

So why bother paying for an elite CB when we can get the same production out of average ones.

CB is not an issue. How about simply drafting a FS on the 2nd day. FS are great value picks cuz no one wants to pay top dollar for them ... same thing as FB.

My guess ... OLB is not our top pick either. A top DE is very much a possibility.
 

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Eddie said:
With the new pro-offensive rules, CB's are no longer in positions to change the game. An elite CB is the same as an average CB.

So why bother paying for an elite CB when we can get the same production out of average ones.

CB is not an issue. How about simply drafting a FS on the 2nd day. FS are great value picks cuz no one wants to pay top dollar for them ... same thing as FB.

My guess ... OLB is not our top pick either. A top DE is very much a possibility.

Say what? I don't disagree with the need of LB but top CB in this league will always be a big part of defense and if any thing the rule changes only makes have top CB even more important over an average CB
 

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Eddie said:
With the new pro-offensive rules, CB's are no longer in positions to change the game. An elite CB is the same as an average CB.

So why bother paying for an elite CB when we can get the same production out of average ones.

CB is not an issue. How about simply drafting a FS on the 2nd day. FS are great value picks cuz no one wants to pay top dollar for them ... same thing as FB.

My guess ... OLB is not our top pick either. A top DE is very much a possibility.

Wow,

Could not disagree more.

I think it is a true statement that a CB is not as big of an influence as they once were but they are far from all the same, good or bad.

Newman is as valuable a player as we have on the team. I think the difference would be evident if we still had the Dwayne Goodrich's and the Mario Edwards of the world.

The one thing I think that it has done is increase the value of a real talented FS.
 

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A general manager was quoted in an article talking about his defense and the importance of the pressure positions. He said the defensive ends and the cornerbacks are still the toughest positions to find and the most important on the defense. Once a team has those they can find everything else.

By the way, I never said Cromartie at 18, and Jerry never said that they're waiting on a corner to drop to 18. I think BillPa and Jerry are going to trade down and then they might be looking for Cromartie to drop.
 

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I would think it's Jimmy Williams. There's talk he's slidding some. He's a top caliber talent and if he fell we'd be hard pressed not to take him.

It wouldn't be any surprise for Cromartie to be on the board at 18. I'd actually be surprised if he was gone by the 18th pick. I doubt he's who JJ had in mind when making that statement.
 

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I like Jonathan Joseph alot more than Jimmy Williams. Williams will get torched due to his sloppy technique and average speed. Joseph is sloppy too, but he runs a 4.31 which shows his make up speed. He should be there in the 2nd round and would be an absolute steal there.
 

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I know Jerry said this but I will be suprised to see Dallas take a CB with the Cowboys 1st pick.
 

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Eddie said:
With the new pro-offensive rules, CB's are no longer in positions to change the game. An elite CB is the same as an average CB.

So why bother paying for an elite CB when we can get the same production out of average ones.

CB is not an issue. How about simply drafting a FS on the 2nd day. FS are great value picks cuz no one wants to pay top dollar for them ... same thing as FB.

My guess ... OLB is not our top pick either. A top DE is very much a possibility.

DE is probably at the very very bottom of our list. Unless we are converting him to OLB (as we did with Ware) there is not way we are drafting a DE early. I'd put money that we aren't drafting one at all. Remember Canty and Spears?

You seem to be forgetting that we are a 3-4 Defense nowadays.
 

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zrinkill said:
They are prolly interested if he falls to the late second or 3rd round ..... but unless they hae already made a deal with Henry to move to safety (which I doubt) there is NO WAY they take him with the first pick.

No way he falls to 49. Cromartie will go in the 1st round. I'm not in favor of us taking any CB/FS in round 1 other than Huff but I'd take Cromartie over Jimmy Williams all day- better athlete, not an attitude problem.
 

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You might be right with Jimmy Williams though. He's a Va Tech product right? If he is, you know how BillPa likes the players from Virginia Tech. He appreciates that they understand the facets of special teams play. Entirely possible.
 

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I wouldn't mind him being one of our top 2-3 picks. Perhaps we could find a team with two #2 picks and swap them for our #18 overall pick. The way this draft is set up, walking away with 3 players in that 2nd round wouldn't be such a bad thing, not a bad thing at all. If things fell right we could walk away with this guy at CB and possibly Holmes at WR, and an olinemen to boot. And really, in this draft particularly, after the first 5 or so they really all start looking the same for the next round and a half, two. Why waste at 18 unless it's someone we really must have. Maybe in some of your minds/opinions there is, but no, not really anybody that great going to be there at 18 unless the unthinkable happens for the 2nd year in a row and the 2nd top rated QB falls to the middle of the first round. And no question, we'd have to take Vince there, but he's about the only potential faller that would be worth it at 18 that I can see. Lets trade out.

3 scenerios I would support;
1. Trade up for Reggie Bush.
2. Stay put for a fallen Vince Young.
3. Trade out of the first round entirely to stock up on 06' 2nd rounders.
 

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Eddie said:
With the new pro-offensive rules, CB's are no longer in positions to change the game. An elite CB is the same as an average CB.
I know this has been touched on by other posters, but I just wanted to add that the new rules would INCREASE the need for an elite CB, not the opposite.
 

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No way he falls to 49. Cromartie will go in the 1st round. I'm not in favor of us taking any CB/FS in round 1 other than Huff but I'd take Cromartie over Jimmy Williams all day- better athlete, not an attitude problem.

Cromartie is just flat out a better player than Williams too

even with the knee, Cromartie is going somewhere in the 1st rd...I'll bet anyone right now Jimmy Williams doesnt

David
 

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neosapien23 said:
I like Jonathan Joseph alot more than Jimmy Williams. Williams will get torched due to his sloppy technique and average speed. Joseph is sloppy too, but he runs a 4.31 which shows his make up speed. He should be there in the 2nd round and would be an absolute steal there.

I agree. Joseph has a lot more upside from what I have seen of him at U of South Carolina. I believe he can be had in the second round which would leave the possiblity of drafting Lawson/Carpenter/Wimbley in the first. My real target is Ason Allen, though, but I feel someone else will snag him up first.
 
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