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I wish we could download a game copy from this angle.. or full field angle.. it really helps you see what is going on in coverage and spacing
AdamJT13;1264162 said:You mean, if he HAD been over the line of scrimmage and a penalty was called?
I think it might have made a big difference. The Eagles ran 10 more plays and scored a touchdown on that drive. If they had been punting and it had been 0-0, I think we would have kicked a field goal on fourth-and-goal on our next possession, putting us up 3-0, instead of down 7-0. That's a 10-point swing. And, considering that Austin fumbled the kickoff after their touchdown, our defense would have been on the field for 13 plays and 6:59 less in the first quarter, making them less worn down at the end.
TEK2000;1264028 said:My dad and I saw this during the game and thought it might have needed to be challenged by the Cowboys. The announcers didn't even mention anything about it during the game either.
On the Eagles' very first possession, its 3rd & 10 from the Eagles 10 yard line.
IF this had been called by the refs, the Eagles' first scoring drive (of 90 yards) would have ended on a 3 and out. Throwing a forward pass in front of the line of scrimmage is a loss of down and 5 yard penalty.
So, instead of 1st & 10 following this play, it would have been 4th & 15 from their own 5 yard line. It would have given our offense the ball in good field position as well.
During the game, it looked like he was definitely over the line of scrimmage, but after looking at these images, it looks a little closer than I originally thought.
First pic is the shot of the line of scrimmage... notice the ball is on the 10 yard line and the down marker is directly between the 11 and 10.
http://i144.***BLOCKED***/albums/r165/tek2000/garcialos1.jpg
This pic is the moment the ball left Garcia's fingers.
http://i144.***BLOCKED***/albums/r165/tek2000/garcialos2.jpg
aikemirv;1264189 said:That was one of the biggest plays in the game if you ask me - but I am one of those that think single plays do swing games and momentum.
DragonCowboy;1264184 said:Wait a sec...
If they had to punt, it'd be 0-0 with Dallas having the ball, correct.
We didn't have that 4th and goal position until AFTER Austin fumbled the kickoff return right? Because after Austin fumbled it, Henry intercepted Garcia, and returned it to around the 35-yard line of the Eagles, allowing us to get to the 1.
If they had punted it to the 50 yard line or so, I'm not so sure we'd be able to drive the field.
GimmeTheBall!;1264190 said:We would have had a chance.
And had T.O. not dropped that ball we'd be within striking distance.
And had Henry not been burned . . .
Had Low-Mileage not fumbled
Had one of our guys sacked Garcia (Oh, we did once?!!)
Had our blitz package worked (even once) . . .
Well, OK, let's dwell on Garcia's alleged passing the line of scrimmage. Wake me up when the ref's make a decision on dat.
silver;1264663 said:i would've still challenged to slow them down.
AdamJT13;1264205 said:We started at their 32 and drove 31 yards before the three plays at the 1. If they had punted, we probably would have started around the 45 (an average net punt). So we still probably would have driven into field goal range.
TEK2000;1264109 said:Where do you get all of your wonderful info?
AdamJT13;1264162 said:You mean, if he HAD been over the line of scrimmage and a penalty was called?
I think it might have made a big difference. The Eagles ran 10 more plays and scored a touchdown on that drive. If they had been punting and it had been 0-0, I think we would have kicked a field goal on fourth-and-goal on our next possession, putting us up 3-0, instead of down 7-0. That's a 10-point swing. And, considering that Austin fumbled the kickoff after their touchdown, our defense would have been on the field for 13 plays and 6:59 less in the first quarter, making them less worn down at the end.
alancdc;1264057 said:I don't think that is right. I was under the impression that it is where the ball is, when released, and not the entire body?
Star4Ever;1265145 said:Let me put it this way. I've seen a penalty thrown on many occasions when the QB's whole body was not over the LOS. Maybe the officials called it incorrectly, but I've seen it numerous times.
Star4Ever;1265145 said:Let me put it this way. I've seen a penalty thrown on many occasions when the QB's whole body was not over the LOS. Maybe the officials called it incorrectly, but I've seen it numerous times.