is Morgan's hands really that bad?

[CowboyChris]

ive seen the guy drop a couple of passes in the preseason, the one that sticks out was in the Seattle game, but he did follow that up with a tough catch for TD the next series. i didnt see any drops vs Jax, he also made a tough grab in that game for a TD, is Morgan's drops really that bad? or is the media really overhyping it? last year i thought he did an adequate job, and lets not forget he is the prototype WR...big tall and fast.

 

[Doomsday101]

ive seen the guy drop a couple of passes in the preseason, the one that sticks out was in the Seattle game, but he did follow that up with a tough catch for TD the next series. i didnt see any drops vs Jax, he also made a tough grab in that game for a TD, is Morgan's drops really that bad? or is the media really overhyping it? last year i thought he did an adequate job, and lets not forget he is the prototype WR...big tall and fast.

I don't think it is all hype the facts are he has been dropping passes which is why Crayton jumped ahead of him. Morgan started camp ahead of Crayton that is no longer the case.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That's been the knock on him for years and he dropped a ton in Cleveland. He tries to catch everything with his body which often helps cause drops to happen.


Rich........

 

[cobra]

is Morgan's hands really that bad?

What do voluntary mean?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can think of four perfect passes, two of which should have been TDs and two of which would have been 1st downs. These are not even the ones that were close. These were the ones that my sorry old butt could get out there and catch. JMO.

 

[Kendo]

I think that with Morgan it is some sort of mental block, because he will routinely make the spectacular catch, but then come back and drop the routine balls he would be expected to catch. This is the kind of thing that will drive coaches mad. :bang2:

 

[junk]

is Morgan's hands really that bad?

What do voluntary mean?

 

[AdamJT13]

Morgan doesn't have great hands, but he actually has a lower drop rate than Antonio Bryant (who is always among the league leaders in drops, although that's probably more of a concentration issue). Over the past two seasons, Morgan has one drop for every 7.67 catches. Bryant has one for every 5.39 catches. The only guys I've found worse than Bryant are Koren Robinson (4.80) and Az Hakim (4.21).

 

[CowboyChris]

Morgan doesn't have great hands, but he actually has a lower drop rate than Antonio Bryant (who is always among the league leaders in drops, although that's probably more of a concentration issue). Over the past two seasons, Morgan has one drop for every 7.67 catches. Bryant has one for every 5.39 catches. The only guys I've found worse than Bryant are Koren Robinson (4.80) and Az Hakim (4.21).

hey Adam, just out of curiousity, what are Key's and Glenn's drop rates?

 

[JackMagist]

Morgan doesn't have great hands, but he actually has a lower drop rate than Antonio Bryant (who is always among the league leaders in drops, although that's probably more of a concentration issue). Over the past two seasons, Morgan has one drop for every 7.67 catches. Bryant has one for every 5.39 catches. The only guys I've found worse than Bryant are Koren Robinson (4.80) and Az Hakim (4.21).

Adam, I notice you gave stats for the last two years. I wonder what the difference between last year and the year before would be for Bryant. In '03 I noticed that Bryant dropped a LOT of balls and if they were coming from his right side he was twice as likely to drop them. I wondered at the time if he was having some sort of vision problem. Lo and Behold he had lasic eye surgery in the offseason between '03 and '04 and the drops seemed to subside tremendously. In fact I was just beginning to like him as a receiver when we traded him and I had been saying get rid of him long before the Jersey Gate incident. I really think he had the drop problem licked...if only it weren't for the attitude *sigh*

I have also noticed that Morgan seems to play better of catch better if the catch is harder to make. I think it must get his attention better and he concentrates on it. When it is an easy catch he just assumes that he will catch it because he knows he can do it...then he doesn't.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Interesting numbers...I am not surprised by Bryant. He dropped a ton of balls when he was here.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam, I notice you gave stats for the last two years. I wonder what the difference between last year and the year before would be for Bryant. In '03 I noticed that Bryant dropped a LOT of balls and if they were coming from his right side he was twice as likely to drop them. I wondered at the time if he was having some sort of vision problem. Lo and Behold he had lasic eye surgery in the offseason between '03 and '04 and the drops seemed to subside tremendously. In fact I was just beginning to like him as a receiver when we traded him and I had been saying get rid of him long before the Jersey Gate incident. I really think he had the drop problem licked...if only it weren't for the attitude *sigh*

Bryant's drop rate was better last season (one every 7.25 catches), but it dropped to only 5.25 after we traded him. Morgan's drop rate last season was 10.33 (9.00 before we got him, 11.00 after we got him).

 

[JDSmith]

Morgan doesn't catch many of the passes thorwn his way. That's the bottom line. Yes, sometimes QBs throw the ball away in the direction of a WR, but Morgan has a much lower catch percentage than the other WRs he played with last year, so either the QBs just happened to throw the ball away in his direction a lot or he just doesn't catch the freaking ball. While AB had more drops than Morgan, he caught a lot more of the passes thrown his way.

Morgan only caught 45.6% of the passes thrown his way - 42.9% with the Browns and 46.8% here. He was the target on 68 plays and only had 31 catches.

Bryant caught 58.6% of the passes thrown his way - 59.3% here and 58.3% with the Browns. He was the target on 99 plays and had 58 catches.

So Bryant dropped more passes than Morgan, but also came down with the ball a higher percentage of the time. Project Morgan's stats out to the same number of attempts as AB and he would still have 13 less catches - at an average of 14 yards per catch that's a difference of 182 yards for the same number of pass attempts to the receiver. So whether QM drops the ball or doesn't make the effort to catch it or whatever, he doesn't get the it done at his primary job - receiving.

And for the record Terry Glenn caught 64.9% of the passes thrown his way, Key caught 56.5% and Witten caught 71.3% of his. So Morgan was either the only guy they 'threw the ball away' to or he simply sucks as a WR.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Morgan doesn't catch many of the passes thorwn his way. That's the bottom line. Yes, sometimes QBs throw the ball away in the direction of a WR, but Morgan has a much lower catch percentage than the other WRs he played with last year, so either the QBs just happened to throw the ball away in his direction a lot or he just doesn't catch the freaking ball. While AB had more drops than Morgan, he caught a lot more of the passes thrown his way.

Morgan only caught 45.6% of the passes thrown his way - 42.9% with the Browns and 46.8% here. He was the target on 68 plays and only had 31 catches.

Bryant caught 58.6% of the passes thrown his way - 59.3% here and 58.3% with the Browns. He was the target on 99 plays and had 58 catches.

So Bryant dropped more passes than Morgan, but also came down with the ball a higher percentage of the time. Project Morgan's stats out to the same number of attempts as AB and he would still have 13 less catches - at an average of 14 yards per catch that's a difference of 182 yards for the same number of pass attempts to the receiver. So whether QM drops the ball or doesn't make the effort to catch it or whatever, he doesn't get the it done at his primary job - receiving.

And for the record Terry Glenn caught 64.9% of the passes thrown his way, Key caught 56.5% and Witten caught 71.3% of his. So Morgan was either the only guy they 'threw the ball away' to or he simply sucks as a WR.

JD, wow, impressive!...where do you find these stats?

I've got the KC Joyner book but even he doesn't do the career thing, far as I know.

Do you do the stats yourself?

 

[jksmith269]

are.

 

[tyke1doe]

Few posters back up their arguments better than AdamJT13.

 

[AdamJT13]

Morgan doesn't catch many of the passes thorwn his way. That's the bottom line. Yes, sometimes QBs throw the ball away in the direction of a WR, but Morgan has a much lower catch percentage than the other WRs he played with last year, so either the QBs just happened to throw the ball away in his direction a lot or he just doesn't catch the freaking ball. While AB had more drops than Morgan, he caught a lot more of the passes thrown his way.

Morgan only caught 45.6% of the passes thrown his way - 42.9% with the Browns and 46.8% here. He was the target on 68 plays and only had 31 catches.

Bryant caught 58.6% of the passes thrown his way - 59.3% here and 58.3% with the Browns. He was the target on 99 plays and had 58 catches.

Bryant caught only 47.0 percent of passes thrown to him in 2003.

A sampling of other receivers who were under 50 percent in 2004 -- Jerry Rice (46.9), Jerry Porter (47.1), Roy Williams (45.8), Koren Robinson (46.3), Rod Gardner (48.1), Robert Ferguson (49.0), David Patten (46.3), Andre Davis (45.7) and Peerless Price (42.5).

 

[JDSmith]

Bryant caught only 47.0 percent of passes thrown to him in 2003.

A sampling of other receivers who were under 50 percent in 2004 -- Jerry Rice (46.9), Jerry Porter (47.1), Roy Williams (45.8), Koren Robinson (46.3), Rod Gardner (48.1), Robert Ferguson (49.0), David Patten (46.3), Andre Davis (45.7) and Peerless Price (42.5).

And everyone was down on Bryant at the end of 2003 because of his low production. Also what relevance do those other receivers that have to the discussion? How do those receivers compare to the other guys playing on the same team? Because when you have someone like Vick who throws the ball willy nilly after running around with it, you will tend to have lower completion percentages. So for Peerless Price to have only caught 42.5% might be indicative that he is lousy, or it might be in line with the other WR on his team because his QB is lousy. Or maybe it's a combination of both, or perhaps he was lousy as a number 1 receiver while having more to offer when covered by lesser talents. Either way, his 42% earned him a ticket out of Atlanta.

In the case of Morgan, his numbers are significantly lower than the other guys on the same roster. And he surely wasn't being locked up by the opposition's number 1 CB. So it's not the QB or the system in that case, it's him.

Giving me a list of other guys who were low doesn't make him a better WR, or make his numbers any better when compared to the other guys on our team in our system.

 

[JDSmith]

JD, wow, impressive!...where do you find these stats?

I've got the KC Joyner book but even he doesn't do the career thing, far as I know.

Do you do the stats yourself?

Stats.com, unfortunately they don't have the percentages for all the TEs, only WRs. I only knew Witten's because he was among the league leaders in that category.

 

[Echo9]

is Morgan's hands really that bad?

What do voluntary mean?

:laugh2: