Is our Defense really better? Sobering look at the numbers

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This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
 
VaqueroTD said:
This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
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A lot has to do with LB play and safties sucking... DBs have had some embarrassing moments....Bland is not playing like a 90M man. On cue for Cowboys getting new contract
 
big dog cowboy said:
You mean both Super Bowl teams and another that just missed out on the NFC Championship game? The roughest part of the schedule?
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Well all that really does is say that our defense is even worse if you're not going to count KC and Philly as legitimate contenders. Aikman and others were saying it's good that they tested Las Vegas with their new defense but wouldn't mean anything until facing real competition. I'd also point out that they were the first team not able to gameplay against it. Detroit may have hit on the head as @kskboys pointed out by exposing our LB weakness.
 
VaqueroTD said:
This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
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No it’s not. You can’t fix a bad defense on the fly. What we are hoping for in the offseason is that Jerry actually attempts to do some work and build this defense around Quinnen. I have my doubts but that is what he has to do. Get the right defensive coordinator and players around Williams.
 
The defense has good MOMENTS, can we really stop teams like the lions etc etc
 
I think our defense is a lot better versus the run, especially through the middle, but has the same problems as before ultimately. We are getting shredded in the passing game but with such ease that we really can’t compete unless the opposing offense makes glaring mistakes. The Lions hardly even got to third down because the short passing game is so wide open against the cowboys. In my opinion this has always been a coaching problem and it still is. We just give up 8-15 yard passing plays for free. The talent level is low to be sure, but a lot of the time it’s not players getting beat, just that there’s no player even in the vicinity to make a stop. They are not set up correctly so even if they make all their tackles properly it’s still an easy 10+ yard completion for opposing offenses. Goff in particular is bad under pressure so this is a dream scenario for the Lions where they can just get the ball out very quickly and get sizeable chunks for basically free. There are a lot of teams out there with severe injury problems that have even less talent than Dallas does on defense and they are making life much harder for opponents. You can swap around player personnel all you want but it won’t matter until they change their coverage philosophy.
 
VaqueroTD said:
This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
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Thank you! I have been saying this for months. Jerry framed it as an either or when we should have been thinking why not both. Williams cost us our 2nd round pick this year and the better of our two first round picks next year which will likely be ours, not GBs. Oh, and Mazi. In other words, the Micah deal had nothing to do with acquiring Quinnen Williams.

People look at the Micah Parsons deal and say, "he's not worth $47 million". There are two problems with that logic. First, it wasn't $47 million. It is really a 5 year $210 million deal which comes to $42 million. And GB could get out of it after 3 years. Parsons is a game changer. That is undeniable.

The other problem is, Jerry waited until the other Edge players signed for over $40 million driving up Micah's price. Had they signed him first back in March, he probably would have cost them around $37 million and the offseason would not have been a huge distraction like it was.

Micah and Quinnen Williams together would make this defense much better for at least 4 or 5 years.
 
VaqueroTD said:
This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
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The only thing this proves is how bad Eberflus truly is. Something I've been saying since game 3, maybe sooner.

The dude is a dunce.
 
Our "new look" defense did well a couple of weeks because there was no tape on them.

Lions were ready and the results speak for themselves.

If not for Super Aubrey (16 points by himself)........ the game would have been a blowout.
 
VaqueroTD said:
This was something that worried me before the Lions game. Media was posting a lot of graphics on our new and improved defensive stats since the trades, but the Raiders game (Raiders have worst offense in NFL) skewed those numbers.

What if you take the Raiders out? Last 3 games against Eagles, Chiefs and Lions. Respectable 2-1.

How did our defensive stats compare to the total NFL regular season defensive stats in those 3 games against legitimate contenders who are not facing a complete rebuild? So this is our last 3 game avg vs regular avg for all games in NFL.

Looks like the only thing we truly gained was a better rush defense with Quinnen Williams and our 3-man DT front, but teams are passing like crazy on us vs norm for NFL. Our pass defense is so bad that it almost takes total yards to the bottom, and prevents our first downs from being higher than middle of pack. Still struggling to get sacks and turnovers.

Can't stress how much we lose with Micah Parsons gone. Those turnovers and pass rush yards allowed were all greatly enhanced by the NFL's best pass rusher. What the Cowboys needed was the pressure provided by #11 AND Quinnen Williams. I see a lot of threads that Micah wouldn't make a difference, well, here you go. If we had somehow been able to start the season with that presence on the EDGE and DT, safe to say our defense would AT LEAST be middle of pack on all these averages.

Defensive Yards Allowed Avg370NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
Defensive Rush Yards Allowed Avg97NFL Rank #6 of 32 teams
Defensive Passing Yards Allowed Avg273NFL Rank #32 of 32 teams
Defense Forced Turnovers Avg.66NFL Rank #29 of 32 teams
Defense First Downs Allowed Avg19.33NFL Rank #17 of 32 teams
Defense Sacks Avg1.67NFL Rank #28 of 32 teams
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This D still needs some major work, DE, LB, S, CB.
 
When something is neglected for decades, it takes time to flip that script.

This FO waited 30+ years between taking a DT in the 1st round while at the same time taking droves of O-linemen during that same time period.

The LB and Safety situation speaks for itself but now they truly have one part of the defense nailed down with the DTs

Two legit LBs via the draft and FA, Safety, Edge and possibly 1 CB are still needing upgrade.

Revel is still a question

Bland average but serviceable

OV......the only legit LB....but injury prone

Still believe we need a pass rushing threat at edge with Fowler only signed this year and turning 32 next season.
 
shabazz said:
When something is neglected for decades, it takes time to flip that script.

This FO waited 30+ years between taking a DT in the 1st round while at the same time taking droves of O-linemen during that same time period.

The LB and Safety situation speaks for itself but now they truly have one part of the defense nailed down with the DTs

Two legit LBs via the draft and FA, Safety, Edge and possibly 1 CB are still needing upgrade.

Revel is still a question

Bland average but serviceable

OV......the only legit LB....but injury prone

Still believe we need a pass rushing threat at edge with Fowler only signed this year and turning 32 next season.
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Jerry has just been waiting on a coach that would take one of his number 1 offensive guys and turn them into defensive line monster. So far he hasn't found that guy.
 
shabazz said:
When something is neglected for decades, it takes time to flip that script.

This FO waited 30+ years between taking a DT in the 1st round while at the same time taking droves of O-linemen during that same time period.

The LB and Safety situation speaks for itself but now they truly have one part of the defense nailed down with the DTs

Two legit LBs via the draft and FA, Safety, Edge and possibly 1 CB are still needing upgrade.

Revel is still a question

Bland average but serviceable

OV......the only legit LB....but injury prone

Still believe we need a pass rushing threat at edge with Fowler only signed this year and turning 32 next season.
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We just couldn't afford to miss on Lafu and James.
 
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