Is Parcells an Innovator?
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ConstantReboot
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For me Parcells is what you call a turn around artist. He the corporate world he'll take a company thats struggling and gut it to perform the best of their abilities.
He has done it with 3 teams so far.....the Patriots, Jets and now the Cowboys.
That in a way is innovation.
I think he's the only coach the has a blue print to turn teams around and make them into winning organizations after he leaves.
He will do the same for the Cowboys. Jerry will hire different coaches with different styles than Parcells. But his legacy will live on. You can bet on it.
He has done it with 3 teams so far.....the Patriots, Jets and now the Cowboys.
That in a way is innovation.
I think he's the only coach the has a blue print to turn teams around and make them into winning organizations after he leaves.
He will do the same for the Cowboys. Jerry will hire different coaches with different styles than Parcells. But his legacy will live on. You can bet on it.
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ConstantReboot said:
Before Parcells took over as the Giants Head Coach they had a winning record in only 1 of their previous 10 seasons. By his 4th season they were superbowl champs. I'd say he turned that team around too.
So it's 4 teams, not 3.
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I would speculate it would be a little bit of both!
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Parcells is too much of a conservative to be considered an innovator. He didn't develop the 3-4 he just uses it and he didn't develop his offense either. He will get innovation points if these two TE sets are as effective as we all hope and expect but for now he's pretty low on the innovation scale.
What Parcells does is assemble good teams. He brings in people who fit the schemes that he likes and he trains them and motivates them. He is a great offseason coach with his workout programs and he is a great talent evaluator. He is so good at doing these things that his teams are good enough to overcome his lack of gameplanning skills and his poor sideline coaching to win games anyway. If/when BP goes into the HoF it will be his abilities as a team builder that gets him there.
What Parcells does is assemble good teams. He brings in people who fit the schemes that he likes and he trains them and motivates them. He is a great offseason coach with his workout programs and he is a great talent evaluator. He is so good at doing these things that his teams are good enough to overcome his lack of gameplanning skills and his poor sideline coaching to win games anyway. If/when BP goes into the HoF it will be his abilities as a team builder that gets him there.
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He is not an innovator, but I think he will be remembered for 2 things:
1. He is a master at rebuilding a franchise from the ground up. How many players are still here from before he arrived? 2 or 3?
2. He is exceptional at evaluating his talent and planning schemes that maximize their abilities. Examples would be the year Bledsoe passed for almost 5000 yards in New England, our #1 defense in 2003, etc. People will say he's set in his ways or too conservative, but I disagree. He's conservative in the respect that he will not push what he feels are the limitations of his players abilities.
1. He is a master at rebuilding a franchise from the ground up. How many players are still here from before he arrived? 2 or 3?
2. He is exceptional at evaluating his talent and planning schemes that maximize their abilities. Examples would be the year Bledsoe passed for almost 5000 yards in New England, our #1 defense in 2003, etc. People will say he's set in his ways or too conservative, but I disagree. He's conservative in the respect that he will not push what he feels are the limitations of his players abilities.
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Parcells didn't invent the 3-4, but he along with Belichick helped tweak it.
It was Parcells who decided to allow LT to roam all over to reek havoc on opposing offenses, something that was really never done before to the extent LT did it.
Then the Steelers came along with the zone blitz which focused on using the 3 down linemen and giving them duties that required versatility which confused offenses. Parcells and Belichick took that idea and made it so the LB's were the focal points of their versatile 3-4 defense. So now you started to see the OLB used standing up or in a 3 point stance and they could either rush the QB or drop back in coverage from those positions.
I'd say he was a slight innovator, probably in the same fashion as to what Joe Gibbs was to offense (Gibbs is/was a great offensive mind, but most of his stuff came from Coryell and Gillman). OTOH, I don't think either Parcells or Gibbs were nearly as innovative as Tom Landry.
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It was Parcells who decided to allow LT to roam all over to reek havoc on opposing offenses, something that was really never done before to the extent LT did it.
Then the Steelers came along with the zone blitz which focused on using the 3 down linemen and giving them duties that required versatility which confused offenses. Parcells and Belichick took that idea and made it so the LB's were the focal points of their versatile 3-4 defense. So now you started to see the OLB used standing up or in a 3 point stance and they could either rush the QB or drop back in coverage from those positions.
I'd say he was a slight innovator, probably in the same fashion as to what Joe Gibbs was to offense (Gibbs is/was a great offensive mind, but most of his stuff came from Coryell and Gillman). OTOH, I don't think either Parcells or Gibbs were nearly as innovative as Tom Landry.
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Ron Wolf was interviewed by Brad Sham on television the other day asked what makes Parcells such a good coach ... he said it was his intelligence and that he's always a step ahead of the rest of the league.
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I have never considered BP an innovator but I do consider him a master motivator. Jimmy Johnson was another coach who fits this discription.
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gonna have to agree about talent and and him being conservative. but the rest of your post is way out of bounds.JackMagist said:
the guy is a master game planner who plays to win not rout and his gameplan is indicative of that. the fact that so many of our games last year were won or lost by a few points should indicate just how eveftive his game plan was. He intends on it being close,that doesnt mean he isn't a good gameplanner just different than what you would like.
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stealth said:
I think part of that is BP is a defensive guy. Look at the defensive units he put together with the Giants,Pats and Jets. I feel he relys on his defense to keep the point totals low. I know some don't like that they want to see high scoring but I think Bill is content with the 21 to 14 type games.
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Did he actually turn the Jets around? Did he win anything with them? Did the coach who followed him with the Jets win anything?proline said:
Sorry....Big Bill won with the Giants and left as they aged...he actually left them on the down slide.
He did improve the Patriots and took them to the playoffs, but Bellichek actually made them the "dynasty" they are today.
He has certainly improved the Cowboys roster, while missing on quite a few draft picks as well, but we are definitely on the upswing while many would say we still have no franchise QB or RB. And he hasn't won a playoff game...yet.
Innovator? nope
Turn-around artist? I don't think so
No nonsense, good coach? Yes
Top 10 all time? I still say no.
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wayne_motley said:
I guess that depends on your version of turning a franchise around. When your team has stunk for years and a coach comes in and gets them winning and stronger personel wise I would consider that a turn around. Jets and Pats where a joke before BP entered the picture in those cities, when he left he left them with good talent and a brighter furture than they had before he came.