Is this the first 13?

[VACowboy]

Be gentle. My intentions were pure.

1. Indianapolis - Andrew Luck
Done deal.

2. Cleveland - Robert Griffin III (TRADE)
RGB will be selected in this slot. It's just a question of who gives the Rams the best deal. Cleveland has #4 and #22 overall. A St. Louis paper says the Browns are balking at the inclusion of the latter, but I bet they cave.

3. Minnesota - Matt Kalil
The Horny Boys could use a WR or help in the secondary, but they cut their starting LT, and with Kalil sitting there, well, DUH.

4. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon (TRADE)
The Lambs need help across the board, but they have a very promising third-year QB with no one to throw to but Danny Amandola and Brandon Lloyd. They have their choice of wide receivers, and I think they take one.

5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne
The Tampa offense sucks--no explosion at any of the skill positions, and I personally think Freeman is overrated. They could take Richardson or reach a tad for Floyd, but I don't think so. Barber is in a rocking chair and Talib is a criminal, and with a guy like Claiborne jumping up in their laps, how can they resist?

6. Washington - Ryan Tannyhill
The Skins' defense was good enough to win last year, but they could lose Macintosh and Landry. They need help at C and G and would certainly like a #1 receiver. But the plain truth of the matter is that the Skins need a QB. I don't think it's gonna be Manning and I hope it's not RG3, so the Skins get the third-rated QB in the class, who just so happens to have the movement skills Shanahan's offense requires.

7. Jacksonville - Riley Reiff
I could really see the Jags going with the big, fast playmaker (Floyd) for their young QB to throw to, but they had a tackle named "Whimper" protecting the guy last year. What a sis, right? (He did give up 15 sacks on the season, which I suppose is also a factor.) Reiff is prolly second best player on the board at this point, anyway.

8. Miami - Quinton Coples
I'm betting the Phins will end up with Peyton Manning and really need to shore up the right side of their OL, so Martin could be the guy, but they are also moving to a 4-3 defense, which makes the best pass rusher in the class make way too much sense.

9. Carolina - Fletcher Cox
You know the Cats would love to add a playmaker so Newton has somebody in his sand box other than old man Smith, but the team was 28th in total defense in 2011--24th and 25th in passing and rushing, respectively. That will not fly with Ron Rivera, so I'm betting we see a D-tack here. Rivera likes those athletic, penetrating, pass rushing guys, which means Cox or Brockers. I flipped a coin.

10. Buffalo - Whitney Mercilus
The Bills are also moving to a 4-3, and while they have Darius and Williams on the inside, they really need a stud DE. They could also use a sideline to sideline WILL LB, so maybe we could see Zach Brown go here. But I don't think so. I think Wannstedt will be begging for a pressure guy, and he'll get his man.

11. Kansas City - Johnathon Martin
The Chiefs can go a lot of directions, but it looks like their main needs are along the OL. They are set at RG with John Asamoah and center where Rodney Hudson is the heir apparent to Wiegmann, but everything else is up in the air. Right tackle was a disaster all season long, so what I can really see happening is Branden Albert moving to the right side, where he belongs, as the team drafts a real LT. This is also a prime spot for Poe, and that wouldn't surprise me a bit as the Chiefs need a NT, but I really think they go with an OT instead.

12. Seattle - Melvin Ingram
The Hags have Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst at QB, so you do the math. The best option on the board is grampaw Weeden, though, who could probably come in and have a bigger immediate impact than Tannyhill will in Maryland. I just can't see any team drafting a senior citizen in the first round, at any position. Seattle also needs guards, and DeCastro's sitting right there. But with a guy like Ingram still on the board and the team needing an edge rusher in the worst way, they go with the QB-mashing DE.

13. Detroit - Trent Richardson (TRADE)
The Cards need a left tackle, no two ways, and you know they were bawling when Martin was snatched up two selections earlier. So I'd like to say that Mike Adams is a no brainer. But as hot an item as he was coming off the Senior Bowl, the combine really cooled his draft stock. Trent Richardson is still on the board, however, and I can't help but think that some playoff team wouldn't love to jump in front of Cinci to grab a top-10 talent; the Cardinals would have to be ecstatic about the chance to trade down and still get their guy (Adams). Enter Detroit. Yeah, they need OL help and corner is probably their greatest need, but in a draft loaded with corners and a round where they weren't gonna take an OL anyway... Yes, they have Leshour, but Detroit was 29th in rushing offense, and I can see the entire organization drooling over the idea of Stafford, Pettigrew, Megatron and Trent Richardson on the field at the same time.

Poe, DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, Brockers: who ya got at #14?

 

[supercowboy8]

I would have to go DeCastro or trade back at that point.

There is still about 6 weeks left, alot will happen and change.

 

[Bigdog]

I hope it goes this way and I would pick DeCastro if it came down to it. The one thing that I do see that might not happen is Martin going to the Chiefs. I have read where he is dropping.

 

[ferrispata]

Somebody will trade with us to get Richardson. That would be super.

 

[TheCount]

I'd be happy with DeCastro, Poe, Trade Back, Kuechly, Kirkpatrick. In that order.

 

[Nation]

I would have Ryan Tannehill in there, we saw last year how teams reached for QBs because of the low financial commitment in the new CBA so I wouldn't even be surprised if a 4th quarterback is drafted before we're on the clock.

 

[supercowboy8]

I'd be happy with DeCastro, Poe, Trade Back, Kuechly, Kirkpatrick. In that order.

you need to watch some tape on Poe if you can.

I saw him have a straight line run at the QB unblocked, then a FB stepped down to block him. You would think with Poe's size and strength what could a FB do. Well the FB stopped Poe right in his tracks. It wasn't so much the FB with a great block, it was Poe pulling up. He just stopped. I want to see my 6'5" 345 pound DT lower a sholder and bull over a FB over and get a hit on the QB.
Poe plays soft, the guy is to nice, no mean streak. Has a hard time fighting off blocks, not becuase he doesn't have the strength but because he doesn't have the technique or want to. He stands stright up off the snap and pad level is way to high.
I just can't get on the Poe train. I haven't seen anything that will change my mind yet. I don't get lost in combine numbers.

Phil Taylor last years draft went late first, about the same size and strength and played vs better college teams and players and put up better stats. Also Taylor played with a mean streak, he would punish players. I think Taylor is a better player and he went late first.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Be gentle. My intentions were pure.

1. Indianapolis - Andrew Luck
Done deal.

2. Cleveland - Robert Griffin III (TRADE)
RGB will be selected in this slot. It's just a question of who gives the Rams the best deal. Cleveland has #4 and #22 overall. A St. Louis paper says the Browns are balking at the inclusion of the latter, but I bet they cave.

3. Minnesota - Matt Kalil
The Horny Boys could use a WR or help in the secondary, but they cut their starting LT, and with Kalil sitting there, well, DUH.

4. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon (TRADE)
The Lambs need help across the board, but they have a very promising third-year QB with no one to throw to but Danny Amandola and Brandon Lloyd. They have their choice of wide receivers, and I think they take one.

5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne
The Tampa offense sucks--no explosion at any of the skill positions, and I personally think Freeman is overrated. They could take Richardson or reach a tad for Floyd, but I don't think so. Barber is in a rocking chair and Talib is a criminal, and with a guy like Claiborne jumping up in their laps, how can they resist?

6. Washington - Ryan Tannyhill
The Skins' defense was good enough to win last year, but they could lose Macintosh and Landry. They need help at C and G and would certainly like a #1 receiver. But the plain truth of the matter is that the Skins need a QB. I don't think it's gonna be Manning and I hope it's not RG3, so the Skins get the third-rated QB in the class, who just so happens to have the movement skills Shanahan's offense requires.

7. Jacksonville - Riley Reiff
I could really see the Jags going with the big, fast playmaker (Floyd) for their young QB to throw to, but they had a tackle named "Whimper" protecting the guy last year. What a sis, right? (He did give up 15 sacks on the season, which I suppose is also a factor.) Reiff is prolly second best player on the board at this point, anyway.

8. Miami - Quinton Coples
I'm betting the Phins will end up with Peyton Manning and really need to shore up the right side of their OL, so Martin could be the guy, but they are also moving to a 4-3 defense, which makes the best pass rusher in the class make way too much sense.

9. Carolina - Fletcher Cox
You know the Cats would love to add a playmaker so Newton has somebody in his sand box other than old man Smith, but the team was 28th in total defense in 2011--24th and 25th in passing and rushing, respectively. That will not fly with Ron Rivera, so I'm betting we see a D-tack here. Rivera likes those athletic, penetrating, pass rushing guys, which means Cox or Brockers. I flipped a coin.

10. Buffalo - Whitney Mercilus
The Bills are also moving to a 4-3, and while they have Darius and Williams on the inside, they really need a stud DE. They could also use a sideline to sideline WILL LB, so maybe we could see Zach Brown go here. But I don't think so. I think Wannstedt will be begging for a pressure guy, and he'll get his man.

11. Kansas City - Johnathon Martin
The Chiefs can go a lot of directions, but it looks like their main needs are along the OL. They are set at RG with John Asamoah and center where Rodney Hudson is the heir apparent to Wiegmann, but everything else is up in the air. Right tackle was a disaster all season long, so what I can really see happening is Branden Albert moving to the right side, where he belongs, as the team drafts a real LT. This is also a prime spot for Poe, and that wouldn't surprise me a bit as the Chiefs need a NT, but I really think they go with an OT instead.

12. Seattle - Melvin Ingram
The Hags have Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst at QB, so you do the math. The best option on the board is grampaw Weeden, though, who could probably come in and have a bigger immediate impact than Tannyhill will in Maryland. I just can't see any team drafting a senior citizen in the first round, at any position. Seattle also needs guards, and DeCastro's sitting right there. But with a guy like Ingram still on the board and the team needing an edge rusher in the worst way, they go with the QB-mashing DE.

13. Detroit - Trent Richardson (TRADE)
The Cards need a left tackle, no two ways, and you know they were bawling when Martin was snatched up two selections earlier. So I'd like to say that Mike Adams is a no brainer. But as hot an item as he was coming off the Senior Bowl, the combine really cooled his draft stock. Trent Richardson is still on the board, however, and I can't help but think that some playoff team wouldn't love to jump in front of Cinci to grab a top-10 talent; the Cardinals would have to be ecstatic about the chance to trade down and still get their guy (Adams). Enter Detroit. Yeah, they need OL help and corner is probably their greatest need, but in a draft loaded with corners and a round where they weren't gonna take an OL anyway... Yes, they have Leshour, but Detroit was 29th in rushing offense, and I can see the entire organization drooling over the idea of Stafford, Pettigrew, Megatron and Trent Richardson on the field at the same time.

Poe, DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, Brockers: who ya got at #14?

I would hope for DeCastro but expect Brockers.

 

[TheCount]

you need to watch some tape on Poe if you can.

I saw him have a straight line run at the QB unblocked, then a FB stepped down to block him. You would think with Poe's size and strength what could a FB do. Well the FB stopped Poe right in his tracks. It wasn't so much the FB with a great block, it was Poe pulling up. He just stopped. I want to see my 6'5" 345 pound DT lower a sholder and bull over a FB over and get a hit on the QB.
Poe plays soft, the guy is to nice, no mean streak. Has a hard time fighting off blocks, not becuase he doesn't have the strength but because he doesn't have the technique or want to. He stands stright up off the snap and pad level is way to high.
I just can't get on the Poe train. I haven't seen anything that will change my mind yet. I don't get lost in combine numbers.

Phil Taylor last years draft went late first, about the same size and strength and played vs better college teams and players and put up better stats. Also Taylor played with a mean streak, he would punish players. I think Taylor is a better player and he went late first.

I've watched what I can, I can't claim to have any actual "tape" of him.

I think a lot of his issues are technique based, and that's what excites me about him. Physically, he's got a lot of potential. I thought the same thing of Tyron last year.

To me it all comes down to the mental. Does Poe WANT to be great? If not, then I'd pass.

But let me put it this way, I think his potential if his mind is right and he gets good coaching is right there with the elite of this class.

 

[CATCH17]

There is always a random player or 2 that goes top ten that everyone had pegged going 15-25.

Im sure that will happen again this year and make 14 and great spot to pick up some quality.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

you need to watch some tape on Poe if you can.

I saw him have a straight line run at the QB unblocked, then a FB stepped down to block him. You would think with Poe's size and strength what could a FB do. Well the FB stopped Poe right in his tracks. It wasn't so much the FB with a great block, it was Poe pulling up. He just stopped. I want to see my 6'5" 345 pound DT lower a sholder and bull over a FB over and get a hit on the QB.
Poe plays soft, the guy is to nice, no mean streak. Has a hard time fighting off blocks, not becuase he doesn't have the strength but because he doesn't have the technique or want to. He stands stright up off the snap and pad level is way to high.
I just can't get on the Poe train. I haven't seen anything that will change my mind yet. I don't get lost in combine numbers.

Phil Taylor last years draft went late first, about the same size and strength and played vs better college teams and players and put up better stats. Also Taylor played with a mean streak, he would punish players. I think Taylor is a better player and he went late first.

No offense, but Mayock has watched plenty of Poe tape and thinks he's a top 10 talent.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

There is always a random player or 2 that goes top ten that everyone had pegged going 15-25.

Im sure that will happen again this year and make 14 and great spot to pick up some quality.

Exactly. There'll be at least one major head-scratcher, usually involving a QB but often someone else who is taken way earlier than everyone expects.

How many times have we watched a New England or Pittsburgh at the bottom third of the round get a great player that falls to them? It'll happen this year, too.

 

[supercowboy8]

No offense, but Mayock has watched plenty of Poe tape and thinks he's a top 10 talent.

no offense but Mayock has missed on many many players
scouts all over the NFL has watched plenty of tapes of the bust they draft too.

Mayock also had Gabbart as his #1 QB last year.

 

[supercowboy8]

I've watched what I can, I can't claim to have any actual "tape" of him.

I think a lot of his issues are technique based, and that's what excites me about him. Physically, he's got a lot of potential. I thought the same thing of Tyron last year.

To me it all comes down to the mental. Does Poe WANT to be great? If not, then I'd pass.

But let me put it this way, I think his potential if his mind is right and he gets good coaching is right there with the elite of this class.

Oh I agree, he has the size, strength and combine numbers. But he doesn't dominate. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. I want my guy that big to play mean. To use that power, to want to lower his head and hurt a FB so he can get a hit on the QB.

Alot of his problems is technique and it can be fixed if he wants to but even then if he plays soft and not hard and mean then he's not worth a top pick to me. I think to many are getting lost in his workout.

Phil Taylor is about the same size and played with a mean streak and he didn't go top 20. Phil Taylor didn't have as good of a combine as Poe. Poe combine made coaches and scouts go wow, this guy has great potential.
Thats the thing I don't use a top 15 pick on is if he has great size, workout numbers, and potential. I need that on the field and mean streak form a big DT to add to it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

no offense but Mayock has missed on many many players
scouts all over the NFL has watched plenty of tapes of the bust they draft too.

Honestly i wasn't trying to offend you, but since you responded this way..

Im sure he has missed on alot of players, as does any scout. At the same time, he's right about more than Kiper, McShay, or any other of the draft "experts" i've seen, so i think everyone would trust his professional opinion a little bit more than yours, bud.

Good day.

 

[TheCount]

Oh I agree, he has the size, strength and combine numbers. But he doesn't dominate. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. I want my guy that big to play mean. To use that power, to want to lower his head and hurt a FB so he can get a hit on the QB.

Alot of his problems is technique and it can be fixed if he wants to but even then if he plays soft and not hard and mean then he's not worth a top pick to me. I think to many are getting lost in his workout.

Phil Taylor is about the same size and played with a mean streak and he didn't go top 20. Phil Taylor didn't have as good of a combine as Poe. Poe combine made coaches and scouts go wow, this guy has great potential.
Thats the thing I don't use a top 15 pick on is if he has great size, workout numbers, and potential. I need that on the field and mean streak form a big DT to add to it.

My opinion doesn't have a ton to do with his workout. He was a first round prospect before the combine. I don't know about Taylor being meaner, I remember a lot of questions about his motor, but it's possible he played meaner and that was more of a fatigue issue.

Ware doesn't have a mean bone in his body either, I've seen him cradle QB's to the ground when he felt sorry for them. He's still a heck of a player.

People use high picks on guys with potential. When JPP came out he was very raw, having only played 1 year against top competition and only getting 6.5 sacks that year after two years of community college and other lesser competition. Now he's an all pro.

Will Poe be an all pro? I have no idea, possibly not. To me, the only reason I would be weary of the Top 15 pick is if he doesn't check out mentally, which I already said.

 

[supercowboy8]

Honestly i wasn't trying to offend you, but since you responded this way..

Im sure he has missed on alot of players, as does any scout. At the same time, he's right about more than Kiper, McShay, or any other of the draft "experts" i've seen, so i think everyone would trust his professional opinion a little bit more than yours, bud.

Good day.

I wasn't offended and I'm sorry you took it so hard.
I never said that McShay or Kiper was gods of the draft.
You can take his word over mind if you want but I will go by what I see.
I agree on some stuff Mayock says but alto of times he misses on players, sorry to say that about your boy.
I know what I see in Poe and hopefully I'm wrong but I wouldn't gamble a top 10 pick on him.
You can trust his opinion alittle more if you want, read about these guys and never see any film, go right ahead. Some so called websites and tv anchors have so much different things to say about these guys so you listen and trust what you want to. I listened to them, I drove down to Memphis to watch the kid play when he was making a splash this season. I didn't see anything that caught my eye.
If a FB can drop down and stop a 345 pound cold, that has his strength and is a top 10 pick, then give me that FB, he should be a top 5 pick.

 

[supercowboy8]

My opinion doesn't have a ton to do with his workout. He was a first round prospect before the combine. I don't know about Taylor being meaner, I remember a lot of questions about his motor, but it's possible he played meaner and that was more of a fatigue issue.

Ware doesn't have a mean bone in his body either, I've seen him cradle QB's to the ground when he felt sorry for them. He's still a heck of a player.

People use high picks on guys with potential. When JPP came out he was very raw, having only played 1 year against top competition and only getting 6.5 sacks that year after two years of community college and other lesser competition. Now he's an all pro.

Will Poe be an all pro? I have no idea, possibly not. To me, the only reason I would be weary of the Top 15 pick is if he doesn't check out mentally, which I already said.

Ware doesn't have a mean bone in his body, your right but he also doesn't mind to hit a player and run him over when the ball is snapped. Ware isn't going to head hunt and that not what I'm looking for, Ware also isn't going to pull up when a FB drops down to block him when he has a full head of speed.

 

[TheCount]

Ware doesn't have a mean bone in his body, your right but he also doesn't mind to hit a player and run him over when the ball is snapped. Ware isn't going to head hunt and that not what I'm looking for, Ware also isn't going to pull up when a FB drops down to block him when he has a full head of speed.

You keep going back to that one play. Are you suggesting he's never battled through a block? If he's in a team meeting and they show that and the rest of his peers get on him, what will he do the next time? That's the question that I think is important, not "Remember that time he was blocked by a FB?". The past is the past, will he get better? That's the question that needs to be answered.

Once you know he's not going to be limited physically, you can cross that off the list of concerns and focus on his mental approach to the game. That's all I'm saying.

 

[supercowboy8]

You keep going back to that one play. Are you suggesting he's never battled through a block?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4

about the 1:30 mark and just watch

I'm sure he had but this one play killed me when I saw it.
He battles on the line and move around on the line, but I never see him be a impact player. Top 15 for me, others are different but I want my guy to be a impact player.

at the 2:30 mark about he gets cut, goes to the ground get up and makes a good play in the back field on the RB.