Is TMAC Capable Of Carrying the Team if CD Goes Down?

[SFloridaCowboy]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

 

[jazzcat22]

At pick #12 he better be able to be a #1 WR.

I still prefer a trade down, get 2 extra picks in the 1st 4 round.

 

[Coogiguy03]

You'd hope so, or would we need to wait for 6 weeks until they actually started to get him targets

 

[jazzcat22]

You'd hope so, or would we need to wait for 6 weeks until they actually started to get him targets

Why 6 weeks?
Should be day 1.
Unless you mean that 6 weeks, is during TC.

 

[blueblood70]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

First of all you're overthinking this and I'm reading too much about golden and his 58 targets you do realize he was on a team that liked to spread the ball around... he was forced to share targets with a big group of wide receivers Isaiah Bond was ahead of him but kept could never get healthy and he finally got his shot and proved he could play I mean just because he only had 58 targets how about this, sarks offense they like to spread the ball around, If you watched the Longhorn Games they threw the ball a lot to the running backs the tight ends 2 or 3 wide receivers they didn't just give one guy a bunch of targets if you use his stats and try to project I'd say that he could have easily had the same type of career or last year put up the same amount of yards as Tet..

Golden

• REC
  58
• YDS
  987
• TD
  9
  AVG
  17.8
  
  
  TET
  • 84
  • YDS
    1,319
  • TD
    8
  • AVG
    15.7

on 58 catches had 9tds!! nearly 18YPC, The man caught in traffic, he has a great catch radius, he also gets separation fast, and can run every route but also take the top off a defense, you can't tell me you can't project his yards per catch to where if he was the only guy or the main guy on the Longhorns he wouldn't have had a better year?

Tet 84 catches but 8 tds? 15.7YPC? This guy is supposed to be short yardage chain mover red zone touchdown maker and yet golden with almost forty less targets had more touchdowns!!

IMO You could be right they probably both should be picked after 15 and you can move down and get these guys or at least one of the four guys listed but nobody is a lock but don't get it twisted and yes I'm a Longhorn fan but I'm not a homer this dude is Xavier worthy with 20 more pounds on his frame and almost as fast and yes Xavier Worthy they went late in the first round but he could play in this league and so can golden.

But you're asking for a guarantee there are no guarantees this isn't Randy Moss and even he wasn't a guarantee, but he was obviously a man among boys he didn't look like he belonged in college and he should have went in the top five but he had some issues and it dropped his stock.

I don't believe that guy is in this draft these are all really good receivers the top 4 that people keep talking about there's not a big gap between them so you have to choose the 1 that fits your offense that's up to the coaches they need to let the front office know what their vision is and which one of these guys will fit best..

I think either choice would be a good one they both do very different things on the football field but both in my opinion are almost equal I don't care what people say about his size and his jumping ability golden more than makes up with that with his speed and his ability to get open and score he's a big play guy but that's not all he does he's not just a speed guy I watched him play he can run routes..

 

[blueblood70]

At pick #12 he better be able to be a #1 WR.

I still prefer a trade down, get 2 extra picks in the 1st 4 round.

I think that's the general consensus but I think people are underestimating Matthew Golden,

the guy was on an offense that went out of their way to spread the ball around, they used 2 to 3 running backs they had three targets, that they threw the ball to on a regular basis.. they spread it around A LOT, Isaiah Bond was supposed to be the main target and he kept getting injured.. so they forced them to spread the ball around a lot if you project Golden's numbers out he easily could be just as impressive if not more because of his speed..​

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which in the NFL will translate even if he loses some of his skill set going against better talent and needs time to adjust, the speed will have a better chance of getting open and taking the top off defenses early on in his career, but the dude can catch this guy's not a ball dropper, he catches in traffic ,he's got a good catch radius..​

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it's a toss up to me two very different wide receivers it's up to the coaching staff to decide which one of the four that are available in the first round with first round grades fit their new scheme that they're about to put on the field this year...​

I know everyone's enamored with tutorial Macmillan's size but there is a lot of waffling about it is he a really good route runner or is he just a 50 50 ball guy is this separation going to get hindered even more because if he has a problem getting open now he's going to have a bigger problem getting open how do you know this isn't the next Mingo or legget? Weren't these supposed to be really big wide receivers that were going to dominate in 50-50 balls and do great things in the NFL?

This is why right now I'm sure the front office and the scouting department is losing sleep because you can't know for sure if this is going to be the right choice because it all is a risk..

That's why everyone's agreeing there is a little more comfort and less risk if you move down 3 to 5 spots and still get one of your target wide receivers if that is their target..

 

[Creeper]

I don't see a receiver in this draft who could take over as #1 for CeeDee. If that is the goal at 12, then pick another player and look for someone at 44 like Tre Harris, who might be a better value at 44 than TMac or Golden at 12.

 

[Mr_437]

I don't think CeeDee would've carried the team his rookie season, so it's important for Shotty to get a running game going. Personally, I don't believe the current group of WRs are as bad as they're made out to be. I think they can form a decent committee if there's a QB who can get them the ball. I'm fine with any of the top 4 WRs in the draft, but I don't feel like the Cowboys just have to have one. Defense n run game is what they need.

 

[thunderpimp91]

First of all you're overthinking this and I'm reading too much about golden and his 58 targets you do realize he was on a team that liked to spread the ball around...

Valid point, and even with the low targets he still put up right around 1000 yards. He is right there with another projected 1st rounder Emeka Egbuka in yardage, they just got there in two completely different ways. Golden the more explosive chunk play guy, Egbuka the tactical route runner. In Dallas we know Lamb is going to be the primary target. if Golden can be a lower catch player, but make the most of those targets by feasting on intermediate and deep routes its not a bad fit at all.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't think CeeDee would've carried the team his rookie season, so it's important for Shotty to get a running game going. Personally, I don't believe the current group of WRs are as bad as they're made out to be. I think they can form a decent committee if there's a QB who can get them the ball. I'm fine with any of the top 4 WRs in the draft, but I don't feel like the Cowboys just have to have one. Defense n run game is what they need.

100%. Its asking a lot for a WR out of college to be that plug and play #1 guy. Obviously we see it happen, but expectations need to come down a bit. A number 2 that can grow into that WR1 over time isnt a wasted use of the 12th pick.

 

[StarOfGlory]

If CD goes down and we have no true threats at RB and TE, it won’t matter. Say hello to six wins at best if this happens. I’m not sure how many teams have a #2 that can step in and take the load. Detroit, Houston, Philly, and maybe LAR? That rookie has to become Randy Moss real quick.

Another thing to consider in this scenario is that the #3 receiver better be ready to take on the #2 role, or the new #1 gets almost all the attention.

 

[DeaconMoss]

If you think Golden can have a Cheetah like impact then you take him. If he is just another fast small guy, AKA Tavon Austin, then its a real hard pass.

 

[rags747]

Rather trade a 3rd for the Jeanty move!

 

[Bobhaze]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

In answer to the OP question, “Is TMAC capable of carrying the team if Cedee goes down?” The short answer is NO.

The long answer is few rookie WRs in the NFL - even first rounders - are instant stars. Most take a little adjustment time getting used to press coverage, reading coverages and how to respond, finding soft spots in the zone, etc. I believe he will be an excellent NFL receiver, just not immediately.

Having watched McMillan in several games in college at Arizona, I believe he will need some time adjusting. He is certainly skilled, has great size and great hands with a huge catch radius but I also believe he will struggle with press coverage, which he struggled with at times in college. He has great upside but he is NOT in my view an instant star.

And that will be true if we draft Golden as well. Rookie WRs typically have an adjustment period. The things they could easily do in college is much harder to do at the next level.

 

[kskboys]

In answer to the OP question, “Is TMAC capable of carrying the team if Cedee goes down?” The short answer is NO.

The long answer is few rookie WRs in the NFL - even first rounders - are instant stars. Most take a little adjustment time getting used to press coverage, reading coverages and how to respond, finding soft spots in the zone, etc. I believe he will be an excellent NFL receiver, just not immediately.

Having watched McMillan in several games in college at Arizona, I believe he will need some time adjusting. He is certainly skilled, has great size and great hands with a huge catch radius but I also believe he will struggle with press coverage, which he struggled with at times in college. He has great upside but he is NOT in my view an instant star.

And that will be true if we draft Golden as well. Rookie WRs typically have an adjustment period. The things they could easily do in college is much harder to do at the next level.

Tet: Think Tee Higgins. Tet is most likely more of a #2 type WR. This board is hyping him up to be more than what he is.

I like the depth at WR, but IMO the top is weak.

 

[UncleRico]

I don't see a receiver in this draft who could take over as #1 for CeeDee. If that is the goal at 12, then pick another player and look for someone at 44 like Tre Harris, who might be a better value at 44 than TMac or Golden at 12.

Yes. Harris, had he not had injuries, is easily #1 WR in class. He is the perfect round 2 pick. Jerry likes a good feast or famine 2nd round pick and if you hit on Harris you have, at minimum, a DK Metcalf #2.

 

[Aven8]

I just think it’s crazy we are willing to draft a #2 WR at 12. If we didn’t have a #1 WR I’m fine with it, but we do. Draft the most impactful player you can at 12 please.

 

[UncleRico]

Hampton will be the better pro. Jeanty will be underwhelming given the hype he is getting.

His letter to GMs saying he is going to be their Saquon Barkley just cemented that for me. Comparing yourself to the best back in the game before playing rarely works out.

Rd 1: Hampton or BPA
Rd 2: Tre Harris

 

[Bullflop]

I doubt TMAC is worthy of a #12 pick since he has trouble gaining separation. Of course, he's tall and has a long reach capacity but it's tough for a rookie to take over the #1 player responsibility if that's the case. He'll be due to prove his separation ability before he's ready to assume that job in the event that CD goes down. That will take time for that to happen.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The other thing about Tet is he is probably the most pro ready X receiver in this class. That doesnt mean that he can just fill in for Lamb and not miss a beat, but when all these guys are healthy it does effect scheme and formations, which is what I think the conversation around Tet v Golden if they are both there at 12 is probably happening behind closed doors. Tet is the player you can line up outside by himself and put Lamb over in more favorable bunch formations to scheme him the football. Golden and most other WRs from this class are going to probably work more inside which Schottenheimer seems to want from his WRs, but it also keeps you from freeing up Lamb as often.