Is TMAC Capable Of Carrying the Team if CD Goes Down?

[CWR]

First of all you're overthinking this and I'm reading too much about golden and his 58 targets you do realize he was on a team that liked to spread the ball around... he was forced to share targets with a big group of wide receivers Isaiah Bond was ahead of him but kept could never get healthy and he finally got his shot and proved he could play I mean just because he only had 58 targets how about this, sarks offense they like to spread the ball around, If you watched the Longhorn Games they threw the ball a lot to the running backs the tight ends 2 or 3 wide receivers they didn't just give one guy a bunch of targets if you use his stats and try to project I'd say that he could have easily had the same type of career or last year put up the same amount of yards as Tet..

Golden

• REC
  58
• YDS
  987
• TD
  9
  AVG
  17.8
  
  
  TET
  • 84
  • YDS
    1,319
  • TD
    8
  • AVG
    15.7

on 58 catches had 9tds!! nearly 18YPC, The man caught in traffic, he has a great catch radius, he also gets separation fast, and can run every route but also take the top off a defense, you can't tell me you can't project his yards per catch to where if he was the only guy or the main guy on the Longhorns he wouldn't have had a better year?

Tet 84 catches but 8 tds? 15.7YPC? This guy is supposed to be short yardage chain mover red zone touchdown maker and yet golden with almost forty less targets had more touchdowns!!

IMO You could be right they probably both should be picked after 15 and you can move down and get these guys or at least one of the four guys listed but nobody is a lock but don't get it twisted and yes I'm a Longhorn fan but I'm not a homer this dude is Xavier worthy with 20 more pounds on his frame and almost as fast and yes Xavier Worthy they went late in the first round but he could play in this league and so can golden.

But you're asking for a guarantee there are no guarantees this isn't Randy Moss and even he wasn't a guarantee, but he was obviously a man among boys he didn't look like he belonged in college and he should have went in the top five but he had some issues and it dropped his stock.

I don't believe that guy is in this draft these are all really good receivers the top 4 that people keep talking about there's not a big gap between them so you have to choose the 1 that fits your offense that's up to the coaches they need to let the front office know what their vision is and which one of these guys will fit best..

I think either choice would be a good one they both do very different things on the football field but both in my opinion are almost equal I don't care what people say about his size and his jumping ability golden more than makes up with that with his speed and his ability to get open and score he's a big play guy but that's not all he does he's not just a speed guy I watched him play he can run routes..

You would know better than me, but from what I've read and listened to, he is a high character kid and a hard worker. This is hugely under rated imo.

 

[75boyz]

Yeah I see a ceiling as more a glorified possession receiver long term than anything.
And as jazz mentioned if you're picking a WR at 12 he needs to be an alfa.
I don't see it.

jmo

 

[jblaze2004]

Ummmm lets not forget the QB play. Noah Fifita is meh compared to Jaxson Dart who was dropping dimes to Tre Harris. And even Texas QB Quinn Ewers was miles better than Noah Fifita. I think T-Mac can get separation. In many of the highlights he was getting separation. Just terrible balls which he had to come back to the football to catch. Which I do love seeing a young WR actually come back to the football and not wait on it. And he seems to know how to sit in zone coverages almost like a TE. But what I didn't like about T-Mac was him jogging on some routes.

Lets be clear Noah Fifita was throwing up some terrible balls that T-Mac had to go and get to make plays.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Not a great WR class. I don't want a #2 WR in the first round. Even if this was Marvin Harrison Jr, nobody is taking targets away from CD. We have too many other needs particularly on defense.

 

[baltcowboy]

Tet was hurt by his quarterback and his team leaving the PAC 10. As long as he really ran a low 4.5 he should be fine. His catch radius should make him a walking first down in one on one coverage. I don’t love receivers his size because they seem to get knee injuries because cornerbacks aim for the legs.

 

[Bagman]

The other thing about Tet is he is probably the most pro ready X receiver in this class. That doesnt mean that he can just fill in for Lamb and not miss a beat, but when all these guys are healthy it does effect scheme and formations, which is what I think the conversation around Tet v Golden if they are both there at 12 is probably happening behind closed doors. Tet is the player you can line up outside by himself and put Lamb over in more favorable bunch formations to scheme him the football. Golden and most other WRs from this class are going to probably work more inside which Schottenheimer seems to want from his WRs, but it also keeps you from freeing up Lamb as often.

Great post, my man

 

[FanofJerry]

How do you go about facilitating a trade down if no one is calling?

It's considered gospel to not initiate anything, as you have already lost by initiating contact.

Do you just pick BPA? Mortgage future draft capital and move up?

Everyone is talking draft value chart these days, do you take a bad deal based on past draft pick value and initiate contact with another club?

I'm assuming all these clubs have been in contact with each other for days and know already if a trade down will be available or not

 

[JoeKing]

Let's just hope CeeDee doesn't go down and stop talking about that "what if".

 

[America's Cowboy]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

T-Mac nor Golden are #1 WRs, and neither gives you very big yards per catch averages. The one who does give you huge yards per catch averages (25.4) happens to be from Tennessee and is 6'5", 206 lbs and runs a 4.30 40 time, but for some weird reason, not many want him. Weird.

 

[thunderpimp91]

How do you go about facilitating a trade down if no one is calling?

It's considered gospel to not initiate anything, as you have already lost by initiating contact.

Do you just pick BPA? Mortgage future draft capital and move up?

Everyone is talking draft value chart these days, do you take a bad deal based on past draft pick value and initiate contact with another club?

I'm assuming all these clubs have been in contact with each other for days and know already if a trade down will be available or not

Agree with the first line that this could be a tricky trade down year, but why would it be gospel to not initiate anything? That just sounds like you'll miss out on opportunities. That sounds like the single guy who can't figure out why he never gets dates, but also wants the girls to come to him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Tet was hurt by his quarterback and his team leaving the PAC 10.

Why would that hurt him?

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why 6 weeks?
Should be day 1.
Unless you mean that 6 weeks, is during TC.

Takes them a while at times to get Ceedee involved in the offense

 

[blueblood70]

You would know better than me, but from what I've read and listened to, he is a high character kid and a hard worker. This is hugely under rated imo.

Golden?

Either one would be a great pickup for this team like I said I'd leave it up to the coaches figure out what style receiver are they looking for for this offense but I like other people think the best thing to do is have both as your target but if you can get one of them more than likely golden three spots maybe four spots down and you can pick up an extra 3rd round pick moving down 4th at worst like a high 4th round pick you do that because at least you get what you need and one of the top receivers in his draft he's in the top 4 I don't see how he can go wrong but I also can't see them make a mistake if they take AJ, the running back at 12 or stay Pat and take TET at 12

I mean it's going to be hard for them to screw this up, but I'll be waiting for it to have the hand on the head shaking profusely on how they tricked us all,

and take OL, DL, or CB... while we are mostly thinking 1st round RB/WR

We have so many needs if they just trade down and get any one of those five positions and get a top player that has more of a impact positive day one contributor then I'll take any of them...

 

[blueblood70]

In answer to the OP question, “Is TMAC capable of carrying the team if Cedee goes down?” The short answer is NO.

The long answer is few rookie WRs in the NFL - even first rounders - are instant stars. Most take a little adjustment time getting used to press coverage, reading coverages and how to respond, finding soft spots in the zone, etc. I believe he will be an excellent NFL receiver, just not immediately.

Having watched McMillan in several games in college at Arizona, I believe he will need some time adjusting. He is certainly skilled, has great size and great hands with a huge catch radius but I also believe he will struggle with press coverage, which he struggled with at times in college. He has great upside but he is NOT in my view an instant star.

And that will be true if we draft Golden as well. Rookie WRs typically have an adjustment period. The things they could easily do in college is much harder to do at the next level.

I agree, except for this and I'm not saying pick one over the other, because I do agree they both need adjustments periods. the one thing that doesn't need to be adjusted is a man that could take off the top of a defense, regardless, he can use his speed as a weapon early until he can figure out the route tree and the scheme that they're going to put him in, IE on how to get open on routes and technique adjusting to the NFL..

but the speed is still going to be there, it's easier to adjust if you could have 1 thing that you know you can count on and that is speed which can get you separation...

So, I give the edge early if they were counted on heavily to golden, just because I know he can get open with his speed ,whether that's running a bunch of post/crossing routes and nine routes that's okay.... We are talking about a guy who should be the number two wide receiver and have some time to adjust but just for some weird reason if lamb got hurt in training camp, I would rather bet on the speed than the 50-50 ball guy who jumps well but could have an issue separating During this adjustment period....

That's why I'm saying it's a tossup, very difficult to pick one over the other, and that's going to be up to the coaching staff to figure out which type of player they're looking for because their skill sets are 100 per cent different... I know this Thursday can't get here quick enough and Sunday can't end soon enough so we could sit here and actually talk about the real players we picked and how they fit in this team and get ready for Otas and camps because that's what I want to see...

This post combine wait in this dead area, is just too long in my opinion...

I think they should have the draft at the end of March if not the first week of April at the latest we don't need all this time including the coaches and the scouts and the gm's and the owners all waffling and changing their minds and overthinking there's just too much time..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

its rare and tough for any Rookie WR to carry a team. after QB, WR has the longest learning curve.

 

[rags747]

I just think it’s crazy we are willing to draft a #2 WR at 12. If we didn’t have a #1 WR I’m fine with it, but we do. Draft the most impactful player you can at 12 please.

TE?

 

[Chasing6]

That is the question. I do not want an Alvin Harper, who was a good #2 but could not lead the team when Irvin was out or double teamed. I want a superstar who can take over the game, a # 88 type, a Drew Pearson, a Michael Irvin, a CD. I believe TMAC can be a dominant WR in the NFL for 10 years. He will be open a lot, so Dak does not look so dumb throwing into tight coverage to the receivers who are not open. TMAC and CD together will make Dak look so much better.

If TMAC is gone by #12, then trade down a few spots. Golden is super fast, but so was Alexander Wright the 1st pick of the 2nd round in 1990, who was a bust as a WR. He reportedly ran a 4.19 40. Golden has the lowest yardage per game of top receivers drafted around the 12th selection. Keep in mind Ohio State's EBUKA in a trade down, perhaps twice, is battle tested and is ready to play unlike other receivers who need development time.

I would take TMAC at 12. If not, trade down and get at least another 3, so that that the team can draft a RB in 2nd and CB and DT in 3rd round.

No

 

[big dog cowboy]

T-Mac nor Golden are #1 WRs, and neither gives you very big yards per catch averages. The one who does give you huge yards per catch averages (25.4) happens to be from Tennessee and is 6'5", 206 lbs and runs a 4.30 40 time, but for some weird reason, not many want him. Weird.

Not even in Kipers top 10 WR's.

 

[Jarv]

T-Mac nor Golden are #1 WRs, and neither gives you very big yards per catch averages. The one who does give you huge yards per catch averages (25.4) happens to be from Tennessee and is 6'5", 206 lbs and runs a 4.30 40 time, but for some weird reason, not many want him. Weird.

We already have a Golden with (ST pro bowl) Turpin, who we just resigned and last years clueless coaching staff didn't know how to utilize him. Let Flournoy, Mingo, Campbell, Tolbert, Brooks and a day 2 or 3 pick fight it out for the remain spots. I wish Flournoy got more opportunities last year too, they finally gave him more of a shot towards the end of the year.

I would like us to take Walter Nolen DT (Graham will be gone) in the 1st on a trade down if possible. If not just take him there and bundle what ever we can to get and extra 3rd or 4th and go BPA in RB, WR and CB on our next 3 picks.

 

[blueblood70]

T-Mac nor Golden are #1 WRs, and neither gives you very big yards per catch averages. The one who does give you huge yards per catch averages (25.4) happens to be from Tennessee and is 6'5", 206 lbs and runs a 4.30 40 time, but for some weird reason, not many want him. Weird.

You're trying to tell me that Matthew Goldens 18 yards per catch that's right and 9tds on 58 catches? that doesn't make your list of big yards per catch averages why don't we look at all of the big yards per cat averages do we want to go look at what CD Lams was in college because I bet it wasn't 25?

If it's not on Somebody'd list it's probably because they watch the games and know the competition they went up against knew how many times he was doubled or tripled maybe know how many times they didn't play defenses that played press leaving him wide open I don't know because I don't even know you're talking about because you chose not to put his name up there for some strange reason 0 wait a minute because nobody else has his name??

You should make sure you find a way to pass a note on to Jerry and Stephen ask them why them like the rest of the NFL doesn't have this guy on their 1st round radar?

Dont'e Thornton Jr. is a 6'5", 205-pound wide receiver who started his college career at Oregon before transferring to Tennessee. He is known for his physical tools and big-play ability, with a 4.3-second 40-yard dash.

Maybe it's because he only has 26 catches for 660 yards... Thornton compiled 65 catches for 1,426 yards and 10 touchdowns across 47 games at Oregon and Tennessee. His production was sometimes inconsistent, but his big-play ability remained constant – evidenced by his career 21.9 yards per reception average. At the NFL Combine, Thornton validated his game-breaking speed with a blazing 4.30 in the 40-yard dash, further cementing his status as a legitimate vertical threat at the next level. Sounds like to me over three years that's not that impressive yes yards per catch impressive but 65 catches for 1426 yards and 10tds??

Golden had 9 tds on 58 touches for nearly 1k last season lol

I mean that's nice, but he is ranked 22 in this year's wide receiver class... Hey you never know could be one of those crazy things where a guy slips down and becomes a superstar but he's not on the radar because of his lack of touches his experience apparently he transferred and didn't do a whole lot with his new team but yeah it's impressive twenty five yard to catch but Just maybe the sample size is a little too small for the draft you should have them as your dark horse maybe somebody picks this dude up in the 4th round and gets a steal so now we have it on the radar and you're welcome that I did your work for you..