Is TO High Maintenance?

[WV Cowboy]

Don't just tell us how ignorant we are.

Do something productive about it instead of just being critical. Enlighten us.

Enlighten ??

Ignorant, .. as in uninformed, unaware, lacking in knowledge of.

It's amazing how people will spout off about something that they know nothing about.

Nobody here knows all that was said on the sidelines during the game, or on the field, or at halftime in the lockerroom. Nobody knows how the conversations went.

Nobody knows for sure when a pass is not completed who was at fault.

But yet they act like they know.

It's alway that way when discussing Owens though, this is nothing new.
Last year there was a lot of questionable whining and complaining about Owens. But I just shook my head and went on.
This year the guy has been great on and off the field and still the whining. ... Amazing

And I wasn't being critical, I did say it was amazing.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Is the sky blue? Is water wet?

Hell yes he is high maintenance!!!

One half of not acting like a prima donna is not going to change that. I was seriously waiting for him to have his hands up in the air and moping around like a baby. I was really impressed by his calm demeanor, and maybe the fact that he didn't touch the ball in the first half, but still ended up getting his numbers might help in the future to help calm his ego down, but I am holding my breath.

One half of good attitude can't exactly turn around an entire career of selfishness.

 

[FLcowboy]

He may require someone to stroke his ego, so what? Terry Glenn wasn't ready for training camp, and now won't be available until November. T.O. busted his butt to be ready for camp, and is ready to play now.

Three years ago, he busted his butt to get back in shape to play in the Eagles Super bowl. When I see other low maintenance players busting their hump to play the game like T.O., then maybe I'll cut him less slack.

 

[DallasEast]

Actually the point I wanted to make was made. The "pep talk" worked.


Now as to the level of head case each one is/was. At the time(Reggie) it was "high profile" and got alot of attention and distracted the team.
Reggie talked trash about Manangers decisions, about other players play, etc. Still the point I was trying to make was the "pep talk"

Cool. :wink2:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Cool. :wink2:

:wink2: back at ya

 

[sago1]

Also don't forget that Garrett did install a new timing based passing system so I think it understandably that Romo and TO not on the same stage in first half of the game. But they sure got connected in the 2nd half and I'm sure TO was very happy by the end of the day.

I'd also like to see Romo get off to a faster start early in the game. Hopefully under Garrett's tutoring, it will get better and better as the season moves along.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Also don't forget that Garrett did install a new timing based passing system so I think it understandably that Romo and TO not on the same stage in first half of the game. But they sure got connected in the 2nd half and I'm sure TO was very happy by the end of the day.

I'd also like to see Romo get off to a faster start early in the game. Hopefully under Garrett's tutoring, it will get better and better as the season moves along.

If I may nitpick for a second:

• I would like to see TO run the better/correct routes
• I would like to see Romo be a little more accurate with some throws

TO's first catch was high and behind him
Romo slightly overthrew TO - that first catch WAS ALL TO
Romo 2nd TD to TO I believe that Romo could have led him a little better

 

[utrunner07]

My question - Will Romo,TO, and Witten be the new triplets?

Generally Triplets refers to a QB, RB, and WR...that being said...they are no where near the class of Aikman, Irvin and Smith, nor in any danger of reaching that level for the next two years. I would never in a million years compare those three to these three.

 

[Aikbach]

Tony Romo= TR
Owens= O
Witten= W

Acronym= TROW, as in trow the ball.

Dallas will TROW all season.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Tony Romo= TR
Owens= O
Witten= W

Acronym= TROW, as in trow the ball.

Dallas will TROW all season.

Come on man.... you had Hurd for the "H"

 

[Aikbach]

Come on man.... you had Hurd for the "H"

Yeah, but it's so much cuter to sound like a cajun.

 

[CoCo]

1. Enlighten ??

Ignorant, .. as in uninformed, unaware, lacking in knowledge of.

2. It's amazing how people will spout off about something that they know nothing about.

Nobody here knows all that was said on the sidelines during the game, or on the field, or at halftime in the lockerroom. Nobody knows how the conversations went.

Nobody knows for sure when a pass is not completed who was at fault.

But yet they act like they know.

It's alway that way when discussing Owens though, this is nothing new.
Last year there was a lot of questionable whining and complaining about Owens. But I just shook my head and went on.
This year the guy has been great on and off the field and still the whining. ... Amazing

3. And I wasn't being critical, I did say it was amazing.

1. Not sure why you are questioning my use of enlighten. It does mean (per dictionary.com) to give intellectual or spiritual light to; instruct; impart knowledge to.

Enlightenment would counteract ignorance which was your opinion. Seems reasonable to me.

2. I don't think the speculations of supposed conversations were very far reaching. It is pretty well documented that Jerry & Garrett each had a conversation with TO at halftime. Are you disputing that? I don't know what was said beyond what was reported and I don't think anyone else in this thread took many liberties with that.

I also was not definitive, far from it, about why TO & Romo failed to connect in the first half. I did say it wasn't for lack of trying which seemed to be what the announcers had been implying.

I did say that the biggest disconnects between receiver & QB in the first half were between Romo & TO. That's not speculative, its fact, go watch the game. I also noticed Romo express frustration after one of those disconnects. Do I KNOW what that frustration was about? Nope. Didn't say I did.

I do think its very fair, if one can be objective, to ponder what gave rise to those events. I was not conclusive, derogatory, nor definitive.

3. If you truly had no intent to be critical in your response may I suggest you not use terms like "ignorant" and "amazing" as they truly do have a critical connotation to them in the way they were used.

Lastly, as I noted in my original post there are both ends of this TO spectrum. It seems to me that in your "amazement" when observing one end of the spectrum you seem to have become unaware of the fact that you are often positioned at the other end of the spectrum. For me, its difficult to have a conversation with either end when I want to have a balanced exchange.

 

[ZeroClub]

Is the sky blue? Is water wet?

Hell yes he is high maintenance!!!

One half of not acting like a prima donna is not going to change that. I was seriously waiting for him to have his hands up in the air and moping around like a baby. I was really impressed by his calm demeanor, and maybe the fact that he didn't touch the ball in the first half, but still ended up getting his numbers might help in the future to help calm his ego down, but I am holding my breath.

One half of good attitude can't exactly turn around an entire career of selfishness.

I agree.

The thing that concerns me a bit is that Owens is becoming more of a central figure on this team. He's now more than just a journeyman mercenary rental. It is almost as if he is becoming a (*gasp*) leader.

And when you give him that, suddenly your team is much more vulnerable should he go through one of his scorched earth meltdowns.

 

[WV Cowboy]

1. Not sure why you are questioning my use of enlighten. It does mean (per dictionary.com) to give intellectual or spiritual light to; instruct; impart knowledge to.

Enlightenment would counteract ignorance which was your opinion. Seems reasonable to me.

2. I don't think the speculations of supposed conversations were very far reaching. It is pretty well documented that Jerry & Garrett each had a conversation with TO at halftime. Are you disputing that? I don't know what was said beyond what was reported and I don't think anyone else in this thread took many liberties with that.

I also was not definitive, far from it, about why TO & Romo failed to connect in the first half. I did say it wasn't for lack of trying which seemed to be what the announcers had been implying.

I did say that the biggest disconnects between receiver & QB in the first half were between Romo & TO. That's not speculative, its fact, go watch the game. I also noticed Romo express frustration after one of those disconnects. Do I KNOW what that frustration was about? Nope. Didn't say I did.

I do think its very fair, if one can be objective, to ponder what gave rise to those events. I was not conclusive, derogatory, nor definitive.

3. If you truly had no intent to be critical in your response may I suggest you not use terms like "ignorant" and "amazing" as they truly do have a critical connotation to them in the way they were used.

Lastly, as I noted in my original post there are both ends of this TO spectrum. It seems to me that in your "amazement" when observing one end of the spectrum you seem to have become unaware of the fact that you are often positioned at the other end of the spectrum. For me, its difficult to have a conversation with either end when I want to have a balanced exchange.

First, I did not direct my post at you, so maybe I wasn't talking about you.

I said "the thread".

'Amazing' is not critical, and neither is ignorant. Now stupid, that would be critical.

I chose 'ignorant', so as not to be critical, which stupid would have been. Not knowing(ignorant) is different than being too stupid to know.

Bottom line is Owens is doing great, people need to let it go.

So far this week I have seen him criticised on the forum for "not" flipping the bird, and for "not" whining or complaining about not getting a 1st half reception. That's amazing.

I may be at one end of the spectrum, but the other end needs to find something else.

 

[sk0aL]

It simply comes down to the fact that T.O. knows how talented he is, and knows that he can single-handedly change the outcome of the game. His 2 touchdown catches were things of beauty, even Irvin-esque. His second TD where he bounced the NY defender off of him like a rag doll was something we haven't seen since the mid 90s. Another upside to TO is how he opens up the rest of the offense. Witten was able to run wild because TO drew double cover all night long. Part of Owens staying successful here is realizing that fact - how he makes the offense more potent even when the ball isn't thrown his way.

Personally, I think T.O. has grown up alot, and you can tell he's genuinely happy. But at the end of the day he's a top tier talent that knows what he is capable of, and that's what made last year so frustrating in BP's "play to not lose" offense. Why keep him on the roster if you're not going to get him the ball. Even the great Jerry Rice would let his coaches know if it he wasn't being utilized properly.

So yes, he's definitely high maintenance, but worth every bit of it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

It simply comes down to the fact that T.O. knows how talented he is, and knows that he can single-handedly change the outcome of the game. His 2 touchdown catches were things of beauty, even Irvin-esque. His second TD where he bounced the NY defender off of him like a rag doll was something we haven't seen since the mid 90s. Another upside to TO is how he opens up the rest of the offense. Witten was able to run wild because TO drew double cover all night long.

Personally, I think T.O. has grown up alot, and you can tell he's genuinely happy. But at the end of the day he's a top tier talent that knows what he is capable of, and that's what made last year so frustrating in BP's "play to not lose" offense. Why keep him on the roster if you're not going to get him the ball. Even the great Jerry Rice would let his coaches know if it he wasn't being utilized properly.

So yes, he's definitely high maintenance, but worth every bit of it.

His comment of "why did you guys even bring me here" WAS SO APPROPRIATE. I felt his pain last year.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

The title I chose for this thread was admittedly weak. I struggled with what to call it and threw that on as I had to get going.

And I'm not opposed to special treatments for special players. I understand that is sometimes the best path. Two points I am concerned a bit with though.

1 - The half-time pep talk when in fact Romo threw TO's way several times in the opening half. Then TO's response after the game that he decided to try to stay positive. That whole sequence just makes me uneasy.

2 - The other issue is the missed connections in the first half and the possibility that it may have been caused in part by TO's route running. I guess I'd like to believe that TO is doing everything possible to make sure he is a reliable target so Romo CAN push the ball his way. If TO runs improper routes it doesn't help us get him what he wants and of course more importantly make the team productive.

If you're going to demand the ball you darn well need to be doing all the right things to make that possible. I'm trying not to be conclusive about TO's level of fault in that as I truly don't know. I just noticed some interesting coincidences from Sunday's game (including Romo demonstrating frustration) and was interested in what others thought about it.

I knew this topic was sure to get some "noisy" responses, and it has. I appreciate the thought that some have given.

Did you watch those routes it was nothing about them that could be taken as a bad route it was totally bad throws by Romo. A bad route is when the ball is thrown in a totally different area, when the the throws are high or short, that is on the QB

 

[CoCo]

Did you watch those routes it was nothing about them that could be taken as a bad route it was totally bad throws by Romo. A bad route is when the ball is thrown in a totally different area, when the the throws are high or short, that is on the QB

Yeah, I watched the game, and I re-watched the 1st half. Its what lead to this thread.

I remember two throws distinctly where the ball was so far off that neither Owens nor the DB's (admittedly there were always multiples around him) could even make a play on it. On one of them I think Al Michaels mentions that TO broke off the route.

I did not start this thread with the intention of declaring TO a poor route runner. I simply wanted some other opinions based on the significance of the disconnects. I don't know that any of us KNOWS conclusively. I just found it odd that when Romo missed by a lot it seemed to be a pass intended for Owens.

 

[CoCo]

First, I did not direct my post at you, so maybe I wasn't talking about you.

I said "the thread".

'Amazing' is not critical, and neither is ignorant. Now stupid, that would be critical.

I chose 'ignorant', so as not to be critical, which stupid would have been. Not knowing(ignorant) is different than being too stupid to know.

Bottom line is Owens is doing great, people need to let it go.

So far this week I have seen him criticised on the forum for "not" flipping the bird, and for "not" whining or complaining about not getting a 1st half reception. That's amazing.

I may be at one end of the spectrum, but the other end needs to find something else.

Nuff said.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

On one of them I think Al Michaels mentions that TO broke off the route.

Al Michael's knows this how?